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Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,481

@Atch

Exactly that's why I'm divided on this lol

I believe guardian is where I read it actually I read it fairly often
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,482

I actually kind of like macron esp for a dem. He's a dem in disguise tho he's rly more of a conservative hawk. He won left and right lets not forget he ran on a bit of a quasi populist nationalist platform but didn't go overboard like le pen who was a strong contender. I loved when he compared himself to a roman god and said he wouldn't bother with the media BC they couldn't possibly be able to fathom his political wisdom ROFL . If trump wasn't so picky n hard to work with he could even work better w macron but atleast mays england is a reliable partner
Harry
16 Oct 2017  #1,483

I believe guardian is where I read it actually

But the Guardian didn't make any claim about tens of thousands of euro a month, or even ten thousand. The Guardian didn't say anything about triple what Sarkozy spent, in fact it said less than ten percent more than what Sarkozy spent. This lack of attention to what is actually true is one of the main reasons Drumpf won the electoral college vote.
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,484

didn't make any claim about tens of thousands of euro a month, or even ten thousand

tens of thousands of EU a month... multiple sources:

Sorry I thought it was Guardian, there were multiple outlets talking about this bc well, in a way sadly this constitutes news

usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-08-25/french-president-emmanuel-macron-spent-30-000-on-makeup-in-first-100-days
money.cnn.com/2017/08/25/news/economy/emmanuel-macron-france-makeup
telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french
theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/25/emmanuel-macron-under-fire-26000-euros-makeup-bill
chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-france-macron-makeup-20170825-story.html

Take your pick

Ill have you know Harry, I didn't even vote. Why? Because due to the electoral college system my vote, as well as the millions of republicans living in populated urban areas like LA, Chicago, NYC, etc our votes don't matter at the presidential level because of the electoral college. California, Illinois, and NY are Dem strongholds - it's not even 'lean' democrat. Same with the millions of dems living in places like Texas. If the system was judged by popular vote, both parties would alter campaigns accordingly.
Harry
16 Oct 2017  #1,485

tens of thousands of EU a month... multiple sources:

Perhaps you'd care to actually read those sources? It's two point six ten tens of thousands over the three months. That's not even ten thousand a month and far less than the tens of thousands a month you claimed. It's also less than ten percent more than what Sarkozy spent, not the triple you claimed. And the original source also points out that it's 13.3% less than what Hollande spent.

Take your pick

Can you point to the one which supports your original claims?

How much do you think Drumpf spends monthly on make-up, spray tan and weave maintenance?
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,486

It's two point six ten tens of thousands over the three months

2.6 ten tens of thousands over 3 months? wtf are you talking about... the headline and scope is clear - French president Macron has spent $30,000 on makeup services in just 3 months - 10k per month x 3 months = 30k

chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-france-macron-makeup-20170825-story.html

paid a makeup artist, identified only as Natacha M. ...once for 10,000 euros, and then again for 16,000 euros

Fran├žois Hollande, a Socialist, paid about $11,000 a month on the president's haircuts

If you want to argue technicalities I'm not interested... I wrote in a joking manner that hollande spends 10's of thousands a month on makup and im debating whether that makes him baller or a fruitcake... (in one of the articles I read on this it discussed Sarkozy spending around 3k eu a month which seems far more reasonable - i spend around 2k or so a month on suits, tailoring, everyday clothes, shoes, cufflinks etc ) by '10's of thousands' it was more a general estimate - he has spent over 10k+ on stylists though makeup and such ..

How much do you think Drumpf spends monthly on make-up, spray tan and weave maintenance?
Probably quite a bit. I spend what would seem to many too much money on clothes, haircuts, luxury goods, etc. too. Like I said, I'm still debating whether the 10's of thousands on makeup and looking good makes Macron a fruitcake or a baller.
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,487

Fran├žois Hollande, a Socialist, paid about $11,000 a month on the president's haircuts

Limousine liberals and shampoo socialists. A match made in heaven.
johnny reb
16 Oct 2017  #1,488

I think if N. Korea bombs us the Military should kneel down and let the NFL players handle it.
Thy could always say that they had consent to do that and who would ever know if they had consent or not.
They could always claim they did but who would ever know for sure if they were telling the truth especially if they were known confirmed habitual liars.
Harry
16 Oct 2017  #1,489

I think if N. Korea bombs us the Military should kneel down and let the NFL players handle it.

If the US military is so incompetent that it allows North Korean planes to bomb the USA, you probably would be better off leaving it to NFL players to sort out the problem.

Thy could always say that they had consent to do that and who would ever know if they had consent or not.

Still having trouble understanding consent, aren't you. I fear it's only a matter of time before your inability to grasp what consensual means, or to even know that the word exists, will get you into trouble, again. In the example you give, it would be very simple, all one would need to do is ask each injured by Korean bombs or whose property was damaged if they had consented to being bombed: if any of them said no (or that they didn't remember because they were too drunk) it wasn't consensual.

especially if they were known confirmed habitual liars.

You mean the North Koreans told us about a registered Republican being a Democrat, about an American being an Iranian, about a dead man still living in Iran, about Trump never asking for donations from the public, about Obama getting 110% of the votes in certain precincts, etc etc etc? No, that was you, jimmy.
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,490

@Harry

If North Korea shoots off even just a few POS missles most will be caught via the numerous THAAD, Patriot Batteries, and other air defense systems from South Korea to Japan to Alaska, Guam, Hawaii, California, etc. to shoot down souped-up SCUDs and the likes. Then the full force of the US/S Korea/Japan etc would be on N Korea. N Korea would in turn shell S Korea and probably Japan with long range artillery dug into mountains around the DMZ. It would be ugly to say the least.... Avoiding this unnecessary war is our best option.

If even a few landed it would be utter destruction. That's obvious. Kim however isn't suicidal. He knows this and is just blackmailing and threatening because he is scared he'll end up like Gaddafi or Hussein after they gave up their weapons to the Americans and the West. If Kim really knew his regime would be preserved, he may not stop the rhetoric as its a part of NK propaganda, but at least the real tensions, missle launches, provocations, would be diminished.

When you push an animal into a corner and are aggressive to it, it will attack.
SigSauer
16 Oct 2017  #1,491

@Harry

My god mate. It must be very hard to move through life with your level of cognitive dissonance. You are a frothing at the mouth liberal, socialist sympathizer, living in a very conservative country&society, once ravaged, enslaved, and oppressed by socialists. You are living under the blanket of security that NATO, and largely the United States (according to $ contributed for defense) provides as protection to hold your ill conceived world view. I mean seriously mate, the level of contradiction is so heavy I wonder if you know who you are on a day to day basis. You are of course completely free to hold these juvenile points of view on the world, on your host country, and on the country which protects you from destruction by Russian mosakli. It's quite clear you have almost no clue about the world you live in, and your method of trying to appear ostensibly intelligent and informed is to denigrate forum members and speak with rabid condescension (a typical liberal tactic of pretending to be 'enlightened). However, when you are speaking with someone WORKING as a defense contractor, that has LIVED in some of the places where there are conflicts, you sound like you might be an intentional provocateur or mentally unstable.
Harry
16 Oct 2017  #1,492

If North Korea shoots off even just a few POS missles

NK doesn't have any missiles that have the range to hit the USA and from what I've read the ones they do have have trouble hitting targets smaller than the Sea of Japan. However, you're bang on the money as to why Kim is doing what he's doing. So in reality the approach Drumpf is taking is exactly the wrong one; the problem of course is that Drumpf is as utterly unaware of what reality is as jimmy is utterly unaware of what consent is.

You are a frothing at the mouth liberal, socialist sympathizer,

How nice of you to froth at the mouth while posting yet more of your fantasies about me. But at least you've learned to not attack Mrs Harry, keep taking those baby steps and you might one day be only half as vile as Weinstein.

when you are speaking with someone WORKING as a defense contractor, that has LIVED in some of the places where there are conflicts, you sound like you might be an intentional provocateur or mentally unstable.

Let me guess, you fixed the computers at an arms company for a couple of week but you like to describe yourself as a defense contractor, no wonder all the other foreigners you met laughed at you, especially given your political views. But at least from the safety of behind your keyboard you can say all those things you wanted to say in the real world but were not able to.
SigSauer
16 Oct 2017  #1,493

With regard to the way NK is behaving right now, they have an absolute impetus to behave this way as they saw the way the United Kingdom and the U.S. sold out Ukraine and wiped their behinds with the Budapest memorandum. While the loss of Crimea was a huge blow to Ukraine, it was a death blow to nuclear nonproliferation worldwide. It will be a miracle if the Iranians keep to the current nuclear deal given what they've seen happen with a country who voluntarily gave up 1200 nuclear weapons in exchange for security that never materialized. Obama's response to the crisis was absolutely feckless, and sanctions were too little and too late.

@Harry
I'm not sure why you would accuse me of making up fantasies, and then proceed to make up wild fantasies of your own about me, lol. I also never said an ill word about Mrs.Harry, and I'd challenge you to provide such a quote. If at anytime you'd like to stop obfuscating the points I made in favor of unfounded personal attacks, I'll be waiting to hear how you reconcile your political views with living in a conservative country blanketed by U.S.&NATO provided security.
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,494

So in reality the approach Drumpf is taking is exactly the wrong one; the problem of course is that Drumpf is as utterly unaware of what reality is as jimmy is utterly unaware of what consent is.

I don't agree with everything that Trump does, especially in this case with NK and Iran. Nonetheless, I still firmly believe he was better than the alternative Crooked Hillary.

I hope Iran doesn't give up their nukes - what few they have. It is a total double standard, one of the most hypocritical movements in foreign policy. Israel has had a secret nuke program for DECADES. It has NEVER allowed IAEA or UN inspectors. On the other hand, Iran has had more inspections than any other nuclear power, according to the estimates of several news outlets. Furthermore, it was found to be mostly compliant with the Obama deal and the inspectors found few instances of noncompliance. Yet Trump is arguing that Iran didn't comply with the 'spirit' of the agreement. He wanted for them to fold and roll over and say please and thank you while doing it...

Those billions that Trump loves to go on about that we gave to Iran in a jet in order to stir up sentiments was their money to begin with. The US and other parties froze it due to sanctions. That money has been returned after they were found to be compliant with Obama's asking of them, the nuke deal, etc.
Harry
16 Oct 2017  #1,495

While the loss of Crimea was a huge blow to Ukraine, it was a death blow to nuclear nonproliferation worldwide.

I think that long before the loss of Crimea nuclear nonproliferation was close to dead; the world is a very different place to what it was in 1994 and people have again learned the value of promises from far off nations, even the ones which don't saddle themselves with morons such as Drumpf.

I also never said an ill word about Mrs.Harry

You said that she's a younger Ukrainian woman who allows herself to be exploited by a man who is extracting breeding rights from her which he would never have been entitled to three generations ago, none of those are remotely true and together they form what would charitably be described as an ill word.

feeling superior to the locals because you have a burgundy or blue passport.

How surprising that you've never seen a Ukrainian passport, or a North Korean one for that matter. I'm struggling to think of any country in Europe which doesn't have burgundy or blue passports, the only one I can think of is Switzerland, and only the holder of a blue passport would be foolish enough to think of himself as having superior nationality to Swiss.
SigSauer
16 Oct 2017  #1,496

@Harry
Harry, if my analysis of your marital situation was off the mark, then I apologize. However, i was not directing the remark at your misses, and you well know that. Additionally, you do know the two nationalities I was referring to with regard to the passports. I do think I know what color a Ukrainian passport is, possessing a Posvidka and all.

I'd agree with that slightly, the events that precipitated 2013 were the 2004 recognition of Kosovo, and the 2008 invasion of Georgia and redrawing of borders. Those two events started the slippery slope of upsetting the post WW2 order and norms. Watching the world find it's way is tough right now. What is certain though is that had Hillary been elected we would be in the exact situation were in now, or worse. She is a status quo war hawk that gives John McCain a real run for his money. Most of the insiders in the 90s credit Hillary with lobbying her husband to bomb Serbia, and her positions on foreign interventionism are crystal clear through the lens of the destruction of the Libyan state and facilitating arms transfers into Syria for the purpose of overthrowing their legitimate government. I don't think we are in a good situation with Trump, but I just take issue with the notion we would somehow be better off with a bigger war hawk in office. If you can articulate a way in which you think the current world crisis might be different with Hillary running them, I am of course all ears.
Dirk diggler
16 Oct 2017  #1,497

If you can articulate a way in which you think the current world crisis might be different with Hillary running them, I am of course all ears.@ SigSauer

We might be at war with Russia by now lol. The NK situation wouldn't be much different with Clinton either... takes two to tango and Kim definitely wants to dance.

Not to mention TPP would've ravaged the US economy and pushed American garbage GMO frankenfood on the rest of the world
johnny reb
16 Oct 2017  #1,498

Crooked Hillary is defending the NFL players taking a knee by saying it is a reverent thing to do.
"Actually, kneeling is a reverent position," she said.
"It was to demonstrate in a peaceful way against racism and injustice in our criminal system."
No it is not, it shows disrespect to our flag and anthem.
She of anybody should know the injustices of the legal system.
I would like her to explain what injustices are being done in our criminal system besides her not being prosecuted for her crimes.
Joker
17 Oct 2017  #1,499

Crooked Hillary is defending the NFL players taking a knee by saying it is a reverent thing to do.

She's grasping at straws trying to stay relevant, its too bad nobody believes her and now she's blaming Nigel Farage for her loss as well. Is there anyone else left to for her to blame? I hope she runs again, it would be like a gift for the republicans. Are Dems really this daft to nominate her again?

I still firmly believe he was better than the alternative Crooked Hillary.

Ja Tez! I wish she would just go away already or lock her up where she belongs, behind bars!
Dirk diggler
17 Oct 2017  #1,500

Its more her butt ugly pretentious limo liberal daughter we have to worry about now. Hillary is done.

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