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jon357
16 Apr 2017  #741

The cult-like groups talk a different spiritual language and stay several steps ahead (of an organisation led largely by elderly men), plus in the case of the example I cited, they have money and they also have people willing to be ordained - at a time when there is a serious and growing shortage of candidates who are not members of that group.
delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #742

they have money

Speaking of which, did you see how the Ordo Luris lot got their financing? It seems that they've been operating one of the most despicable scams in religion - systematic targetting of old, vulnerable people with junk like overpriced calendars that had nothing to do with their real aim.

Having people willing to be ordained is huge though. The Polish church in general seems to have a huge problem with getting intelligent young men as priests, especially as more and more parents keep their children away from church-related activities beyond the minimum required.
jon357
16 Apr 2017  #743

operating one of the most despicable scams in religion

One of the oldest techniques. Televangelists and Radioevangelists have been doing it for decades. Brings in cash and fosters loyalty among the donors who don't want to admit to themselves that they've spent their money on nothing.
TheOther
17 Apr 2017  #744

Can you prove there is no God?

No, but I don't have to. I personally believe that one has to strictly separate faith/ religion from science. Science is based on theories that are proven right or wrong through verifiable experiments. If the result of an experiment cannot be repeated independently, the theory is omitted and replaced by a new one until the results can be repeated. All scientific progress that mankind has made is based on this principle. Religion is a whole different thing because there is no way to prove or disprove through experiments that there is a higher being. You either believe in one or you don't, simple as that. Which is also the reason for the separation of state and church, and that religion is kept out of our public schools.

you still believe that hell is not real ?

We have enough hellholes on Earth already. I don't believe we need yet another one.
johnny reb
17 Apr 2017  #745

The difference is that the hell holes on earth are temporary, the eternal hell is for eternity.
If I am wrong about it then nothing to sweat, if you are wrong, you will be sweating for eternity.
Have you ever given that a thought ?
TheOther
17 Apr 2017  #746

Well, I don't worry too much about it until I'll find out one way or the other. Although, coming to think of it: wouldn't it be funny as hell (pun intended) if that place is real and we both meet at the entrance? Karma, meet bi*tch... :)
johnny reb
17 Apr 2017  #747

I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and ask for forgiveness daily.
Therefore because of my Faith it is improbable of that happening.
I would say 70% of the people in the U.S. think if you are a good person by helping others and putting money in the collection plate is what gets you to heaven.

Good deeds is not the ticket that gets you into Heaven despite what some have claimed here.
It's really not as hard as some people make it.
I would much rather meet you up at the other gate.
Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #748

{delphiandomine - despicable cult-like practices}
This is the perfect definition of LGBT agitators and their teacher collaborators brainwashing vulnerable school chidlren aganst their families' belief system.

LGBT operatives "use a thought-reform program to persuade, control, or socialize members (i.e. to integrate them into the group's unique pattern of relationships, beliefs, values, and practices)." Deviant perversities are cloaked in slick, cutesy, nice-sounding jingles like "it's OK to be gay!" Contrary to their parents' wishes, young kids are urged to define their gender and sexual orientation at a tender young age.

Cruetly to dumb animals is abhorrent but such indoctriantion of innocent chidlren is far worse!
delphiandomine
17 Apr 2017  #749

Deviant perversities are cloaked in slick, cutesy, nice-sounding jingles like "it's OK to be gay!"

Is it not OK, Polly?
Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #750

not OK

For the sake of rhyme presumably the statement is ambiguous. Being born a homosexual is something no-one has any control over, it is homo practices that are unnatural, abnormal and perverse. The Church does not condemn homosexual affliction, only its practice. But LGBT operatives never urge anyone to abstain from such practices. au contraire, they advocate giving vent to one's urges and celebrate and glorify "comng out". More "fresh meat" on the market"
Lenka
17 Apr 2017  #751

If I am wrong about it then nothing to sweat, if you are wrong, you will be sweating for eternity.

Even if you consider faith as a kind of insurance and assume the all knowing god wouldn't realise it or was ok with such motive you are insured only of a god of one religion. What if the Jewish god is real? Or the Muslim one? Or the pagan gods? Your insurance doesn't work then or can even harm you if god takes offence in the fact you believed in the wrong thing.

Good deeds is not the ticket that gets you into Heaven despite what some have claimed here.

And are you ok with that? That it's not actually what kind of person you are that counts? I'm asking because that was big thing for me and the first time my faith got shaken. I never thought it fair or just.

Plus if god is the kind of creature that cares more if ppl worship him and constantly ask for forgiveness for silliest things rather than what kind of person they are then spending eternity at his side doesn't seem like my cup of tea. I have enough ego maniacs on earth.

it is homo practices that are unnatural, abnormal and perverse. The Church does not condemn homosexual affliction, only its practice.

For one various examples in animal world teaches us that it's not as unnatural and abnormal as you'd like to think.
Second, no one forces gay Christians to take part in practices that are against their religion. They are free to use their own judgement however there is plenty of non believers who have no reason to follow Catholic church line. So all the LGBT are free to choose and they may decide that they don't care what the Church says. If the Church is free to spread their propaganda so is the LGBT circles. And more and more ppl are kind of at odds with the church position even if they are practicing Catholis. I know quite a few that, otherwise being practicing Catholics, think that gay ppl should be able to have relationships as they harm no one.
Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #752

separate faith/ religion from science

One of JP2's encyclicals said in essence that faith and science are not opposed to one another but compelement each other.
It was called Fides et ratio (Faith and Reason) and its preamble stated: Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth-in a word, to know himself-so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2).
Lyzko
17 Apr 2017  #753

In the end, science and religion are really on the same path towards the same truth, merely going about this discovery path in radically different ways:-)

Can't argue much with that, can you?
Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #754

free to spread their propaganda

Amongst consenting adults fair enough. It's a free for all, a market place of products and ideas. It's an entirely different story to target impressionable young children, brainwash them about gender choice and orientations, use stories about the cute little penguin that had two daddies and even caution them not to tell their parents about what was said. That is precisely how LGBT operatives function and that is totally impermissible.
TheOther
17 Apr 2017  #755

Fides et ratio

Benedict and Francis both wrote about a similar subject. They argued for example (I simplify) that there can be evolution, but there still had to be a creator behind it who created a living being from which evolution could continue all the way to humans. So we're back at square one: God vs. a simple and very common combination of chemicals. The probability for the latter is certainly higher, but that doesn't solve the impasse.
Lenka
17 Apr 2017  #756

I assume you apply the same standard to the church stance? That is that priests should not talk about 'the sin of sodomy' to the kids? That in fact if they do it it's wrong?
jon357
17 Apr 2017  #757

and even caution them not to tell their parents about what was said.

Really?

LGBT operatives

Oh dear.

Perhaps you'd prefer children to have an idea only of the world you consider suitable.
johnny reb
17 Apr 2017  #758

What if the Jewish god is real?

There is only one God.
And that God sent His only begotten Son to earth to die on the cross for our sins. (Grace)

I'm asking because that was big thing for me and the first time my faith got shaken. I never thought it fair or just.

If you don't take Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior who died on the cross for your sins nor ask forgiveness for your trespasses then it is doubtful in my Faith that you will inherit the Kingdom.

Just being kind and generous person only will not get you there.

if god is the kind of creature

God is not a creature, He is the Alpha and Omega.........the Supreme Being.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give water as a gift to the thirsty from the spring of life. Then he told me, "It has happened! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

Revelation 21:6

You say spending eternity at his side doesn't seem like your cup of tea ?
Your only other option is to spend it at Satan's side.
God also provided us with a free will.
Lenka
17 Apr 2017  #759

You didn't even try to attempt to answer the questions. But that's ok. One can always say 'I don't care about that because I believe and therefore I don't care about certain questions, logic etc. But then don't talk about it as kind of insurance because it's not or, at the very least, a very bad one. Even in the main monotheistic religions you have one in three chances. And don't fool yourself that your faith makes it any more probable. Millions of ppl believed, believe and will believe in different gods as strongly as you believe in the Christian one.
dolnoslask
17 Apr 2017  #760

gods as strongly as you believe in the Christian one.

Just out of interest Lenka what made you turn you back on the faith of your country, I am also asuming that of your parents, was it the education system, bad experience or something else, just asking no prejudic or malice intended.

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