I never intimated that the government of Poland during WWII (government in exile, actually) was behind or supported the death camps! Far from it.
For the bazillionth time, I simply wish to clarify my position that a large number of Poles WERE anti-Semitic, and this merely made Hitler's job somewhat easier in facilitating Jewish extermination.
There's no reason for making stuff up. The history's the wellspring of truth since it records what really happened.
You guys draw your own conclusions:-)
I never intimated that the government of Poland during WWII (government in exile, actually) was behind or supported the death camps
This is actually true. You never suggested the government of Poland during the war supported the death camps. What you did say was that the Polish people were partly responsible and as you so glibly put it in the thread about Auschwitz "it takes two to tango".
It's a pity you couldn't go to such lengths to clarify your provocative remarks earlier rather than just make glib remarks about Poles supporting the death camps
As he is a troll, that is his bread and butter. It is hard for me to discern if he is really that dumb and at the same ignorant as to the truth of the matter or he is simply trolling.
@Spiritus, I offer the words of the writer John Steinbeck who once observed that he'd hate to have ever been "dictator" of Ireland, for fear of being laughed to death!
My point here is that certain populations (fear of reprisals notwithstanding) often lend themselves to a particular way of thinking and that as Hitler's program in Poland was anti-Semitism first and foremost, anti-Slavism second and not solely exterminationist, no fools, the Nazis doubtless researched the area well in advance and found the local populace much more prone to anti-Semitic feeling than other European countries.
The Irish, although also staunch Catholics, except the North, have a long tradition of distrusting rules, particulary those of the Church, as well as distrusting authority. The Poles tended to take Church teaching re: the Jews as "Christ killers" literally, thus, when offered the bull by Hitler the Jews were the enemies of Christianity, a large number of Poles bought the lie hook, line, and sinker, with very few among the farming communities especially, who thought to question such ravings.
None of us here are qualified enough to know exactly what Hitler's program in Poland was let alone come up with an order of action.
Your assertion that the Nazis chose locations for their death camps based on painstaking research into whether the local populace supported anti-semitism is really not even worthy of addressing as it's such a dumb statement to make. However..........all it takes for bulls*it to be considered as truth is for other people to stop correcting the liars so with that in mind...
How would the Nazis determine if a geographical area was more prone to anti semitic feeling and more importantly whether that anti-semitic feeling was deep enough to base a death camp in their back yard ? What do you think they did ? Interview the local townsfolk ?
And what did it matter to the Nazis if the local populace was ambivalent about Jews anyway ? The local populace in every occupied country were subjugated and oppressed. You cannot seriously think that the Nazis were bothered about public opinion.
Another glaring hole in your argument is that much of the local populace ended up in the death camps that you claim they endorsed being built.
Alright. Aside with human rights, considering that we all know how all human beings have right to freely choose their sexual orientation but, EU`s forcing of topic actually promote specific (in this case- homosexual) behavior. All that for all kind of reasons. For political manipulation with individuals and their rights, for political pressure on governments, for cultural pressure on societies, etc, etc.
So, we have clear example of EU crime and propaganda, even in this case,
There's no point discussing things with him. As much as he complains about antisemitism, his posts are full of prejudice towards Poles and the Catholic Church. He's actually not that much different from an anti-semite with all his biases. I wonder if he realises that. If he doesn't, it's high time he did.
you mentioned Sendler. Do you know where children she had smuggled out of the ghetto were hidden?
@Spiritus, once again, you underestimate the resolve of the Nazis in scoping out the areas in which they chose to impliment their mass killings of Jews, along with others:-) Calling an expert in his own right "dumb" shows the degree to which you are insecure in your own knowledge of this area, since the Nazis were known to be the most careful of planners....UNLIKE the PolesLOL
@kaprys, I know that many of Sendlers' "smugglees", so to speak ended up in, among other places, monasteries, convents, while many others perished in flight!
Poles 'just' planned routes of escape for hiding Jews and organised resistance in occupied Poland (including the Auschwitz camp) among other things. All of that with help of numerous priests and nuns. Yet another example of how prejudiced Lyzko is towards Poles - glorifying Nazis at the same time.
It's to control population growth. There's too many people around and promoting homosexuality is just one of many ways to help control population growth.
You're not going to convince him - believe me I've already tried. We all already went through this before. He'll continue to think that Poles were at least partially responsible for the slaughter of the Jews in PL with statements like 'Nazis relied on local support' and such. As a Jew, he ought to know that Poland received more 'righteous among the nations' awards from Yad Vashem than any other nation.
I know I'm not going to convince him. It's just funny to see how similar his views are to antisemitism. If you changed 'Poles' to 'Jews' and 'Catholic' to 'Jewish' in some of his posts and had him read that, I bet he'd scream: ANTISEMITISM! not even realising it was his words. I admit I'm tempted to do so ;)
Weird indeed. And all those LOLs when talking about Holocaust.
That's what you say when you want to sound politically correct - usually after you have been proved wrong. But there are other things like suggesting bribery is common in Poland, monsignors and local politicians- all that crap. You can't possibly know or have experienced that but you can't miss a chance to bash Poles and Catholics.
Also your admiration of how Germans planned things during WW2 and all those awkward LOLs in threads about the Holocaust are disturbing.