Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Russian nuclear doctrine was published long time ago. And there no additional "threats" necessary. But looks like nobody read it, or have enough brainpower to understand. Otherwise PAK would reduce their dreams little bit, for example.

So, it is open question who is really pathetic.

Killing for "democracy" is noble.

Are they willing to die for "democracy"?

@Velund
Relax buddy, Russia will be left standing. You will still have Moscow and St. Petersburg. The rest of the country will likely be broken into little fiefdoms for the oligarchs in time. You will still have your $hitty way of life, your $hitty Russian made cars and goods. It will be just like it was in the 80's all over again. Street gangster shootings will be back in style, and kidnappings will once again be a big hobby. Toilet paper will once again be single ply and caviar will be cheap. Sounds wonderful doesn't it?

Novi, I really like the phrase Polands Pimp. I will barrow it if you dont mind. As for Putin though, the war is lost. Time to start being realistic. A UN watched referendum? When was this publicly offered? My guess is never. But lets all hear it for the Napolean complex POS in the Kremlin trying to dictate the world order when he cant even get his own country in order. The idiot who partners with Iran. LMFAO Soon the Orc's will be equipped with the latest in Iranian rocks to throw at real soldiers. MAybe some camels to replace all those tanks? LMAO

Are you willing to die for putain's vanity?

I would like to know how the residents there would vote if the choice was between what they have now - shi*ty products and all - vs NYC where taking the subway is like playing Russian roulette.


Are you willing to die for "democracy" (hahahahahaha) in Ukraine? It sure sounds like a better reason than another guy's vanity. So how about it?

Certainly, but it doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not Putin decides his best (or only) option is to use his. And, if he is as deranged, evil, etc. as many PFers say, the probability of him using them is anything but negligible: does a madman care about mutual mass destruction? Does an evil man care about widespread destruction and suffering?

If he does, it will most likely be the smallest device at his disposal as a show and tell. My bookie says he will not because he can bring Z down without it because even the most patriotic Ukrainians will reach their breaking point when nothing works.

Then, they will look at my totally brilliant Z-P=0, Crimea, and will ceaușescu Zidiot.

Your bookie LOL

As if you Russians have money to waste on gambling

Mind you someone could take bets on when sugar and potatoes will be back in the shops again. Smart money is on mid January.

Z gambled Ukraine so we can gamble a couple of rubles.

Signs are that he won't/can't.... a test supposedly postponed twice with no reason given... other hints if you've been paying attention


I'm not on the list of those who might be mobilized to participate so it's kind of a moot question.


Have you been advising putain?

It is very clear that NATO anti-Russian Ukraine will not exist, if it refuses to negotiate there are other ways.

Apart from that, I don't remember the consternation when NATO targeted civilian infrastructure facilities in Serbia, such as bridges and power grids.

youtu.be/dxEjSr6rYXU

This is what one democratic bombing looks like...

Probably because that was done to prevent another genocide, not to faciliate one.

Your propagandists are literally salivating at the prospect of causing an epedemic in Kiev.

No. Putin doesn't need to be told what he already knows.


But that was bombing for "democracy" so it was good bombing and profitable for the bomb makers.


...but you are not sure...

@mafketis

You think Russia doesn't have capabilities to deliver a battleground nuke? From what I've seen, there are plenty of "experts" who believe Russia would have a hard time successfully operating in a nuclear battlefield, but not a single one -not one-denies Russia's capability of delivering a battlefield nuke.

Also, Russia continues to prove it can and will bomb Uke.

I've asked this question before: is there a limit to western involvement in this BS war? Is there a point that the West forces Uke to make concessions or do we allow this to go on and on and on?

A brilliant question that deserves an answer: In my opinion, that limit is when the civilians in Western "democracies" feel enough pain to hit the streets and threaten to vote the warmongers out.

Watching their kids suffer from lack of heat and getting sick might be a good motivator to do just that.

It's defeat russia in Ukraine now or fight russia somewhere else in a few years. the russian government (thru state run media) has made it crystal clear that Ukraine was supposed to be the first step in a larger project. Being allowed to claim any kind of 'victory' in Ukraine means russia will rest, rearm and attack again in a few years.

russia is a cancer... cut it out now or wait for it to spread until it's too late.....

So there is no limit, outside of the dissolution of Russia?

You don't think a robust deterrent would manage future Russian aggression. And, there was no real deterrent in 2014/15-the Minsk agreement assured that, as you pointed out previously.

Can you produce the full list of their targets and the reasons without mentioning Putin's palace or psych meds?

In no particular order.... the entire former mess known as the CCCP.... priorities being (in rough order) the Baltics, Georgia, (North) Kazakhstan, Moldavia.

Moldavia was going to be next before the westward drive was stopped just past Xerson and the Black Sea was eliminated as an attack route to Odesa...

Of course the CCCP as a dysfunctional mess needed satellites to try to stay afloat and Poland figures very prominently there... (along with Germany which is why putain put so much effort into buying its political class).


Name a robust deterrent and I'll give my best guess....

But I think we're well beyond the negotiating phase to be frank, see my comment on westerns strategy to disable russia..

The thing is by now russia is no longer working on interest and is eating into its capital... or eating its seed corn if you prefer that metaphor...

The idea that russia has to go to Iran.... for weapons is pretty degrading for a one time military superpower...

And worse yet... they're doing real, almost irreparable demographic harm to themselves.

Forget fighting age men, to survive a country needs breeding age men and the russian government has gotten a bunch killed and driven off many times more and most of those probably aren't going to be coming back.

russian military tactics evolved when there were millions and millions of spare young men they could throw into the meat grinder.... now meat is rationed and they're still throwing it away... all for the vanity of a crazy old man.

tragic when you think about it.... but I stopped caring about russia's well-being on feb 24, 2022...

I appreciate your reply.
It is interesting that you didn't mention the eastward drive by NATO and the globalist scum salivating at the thought of regime change in Russia and grabbing Russia's resources.

If successful, it would be interesting to see how the globalist slime would justify NATO. In the past, they even tried using Iran when justifying those very democratic and "defensive" American rockets in Poland.

NATO was not the engine of expansion... it was _invited_ by the Baltic states and Poland and others. And, living in Poland, I'm very glad of that.


Not crazy about that idea, but to be honest, would globalists being in charge be any worse for anyone? russia has mostly used its resources to enrich a bandit class while 20 % of the population doesn't have indoor plumbing....


It has a 100% record in preventing russian invasion! Works for me!

When back in 1962 soviet missiles was _invited_ by independent Cuba, US was not so calm about such invitation. To be precise, White House and Pentagon was really mad about it.

Why Russia must be quiet now?

Cause it's an inferior country that provides no value to the rest of the world, except as a source of natural resources (and it even does that in a poor, inferior way).

Don't like it? Move your inferior country somewhere else.

I think, we will start from moving westward. Slowly, but surely. There is nobody to be respected as sovereign nation, anyway. ;) Crash courses how to suck russian dick instead of british one - et voila... ;)

What population? putain is leading the country into a disaster.... why haven't russians ever been able to create a society that isn't a nightmare? why havne't russians ever been able to figure out how to peacefully transition between leaders?

Major failures... and keep your sick sex fantasies to yourself.

@Velund, since you're here showing us your vileness so blissfully, why don't you tell us what do you think about Pavel Gubarev, who's saying that they're ready to murder 5 million Ukrainians or even all of them (I'm guessing that he's speaking on behalf of RuSSia)?

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1579820810751324160

I'd like to know also the opinion of other Putinists: Bobko, Crnogorac3, Novichok and Crow.


Exactly.

That was cheap and totally lacking in logic.
Russia's alleged inferiority does not translate into: therefore, Russia does not have the same exact rights to watch after its interests as any other country - the US included.


Imaginary invasion - a sick idea needed to justify 40% of the world's military budget spent recklessly by the world's dumbest cop - the US.

It sure didn't help Ukraine...

Do you really want to count the invasions by Russia vs Western "democracies"? I will even throw in the invasions by the USSR.

Oops, sorry...Western invasions were good. Only Russian invasions are bad. Really baaad...

@Paulina; murder 5 million.....
That's nothing new for them. They had already starved several million Ukrainians.

Proven... name one other country with as much potential that has squandered it so thoroughly....


russia has no "interests" in Ukraine... (or in the Baltic States or Poland)


Cause it wasn't in NATO.... but most likely will be since russia has proven, yet again, that it cannot be trusted.

And the Cuba analogy is especially misguided (but bad analogies are all russia has).

Name three reasons yourself that the Cuba analogy is moronic and stop using it or prove that you're a moron by failing to recognize the differences and still relying on it.