Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

More people and more material won in the end....you know that!

Russia today is not the Sovietunion....will it have the people? But foremost, now with the West deciding to support Ukraine with lotsa money and material as long as necessary, will Russia have the quantities to win in the end?

Not to mention that Putin never planned for such a long drawn out challenge that whole mess develops into...

Population of USSR in 1940 was 195M people. Russian population today, including occupied territories - 150-152M.

Not a big difference between 195M and 150M if you take into account that the 150M are fully literate, and have some degree of education. I'd rather take today's 150M than yesterday's 195M - if I was a recruiter.

I guess the problem is different, and this what you mean when you say "do we have it?". We're not ready to suffer the same losses as before. Even in Mordor, the price of human life has risen to a point where losses truly hurt.

I don't know about that. With current birth rate and age pyramid in Russia, I'd rather take yesterday's 195m.

Soldiers are, by and large, young men - and it is young people that are sadly missing more and more in age pyramids of all European nations.

Not in this war. Average age is above 30. Which is so sad, but on the other hand... why does one group deserve to die more than another? To me the death of a 30+ guy seems an enormously greater loss to society and the economy than the loss of an 18 year old - but I'm sure things don't look that way from the perspective of that 18 year old. It depends where you are sitting.

Seriously? Where are all the young guys?

@Bratwurst Boy
They all left the country when they could, or are in university which gets them a pass on mobilization. Another pass is working in factories producing military products. Or of course being disabled or a drug addict, which takes out a whole segment.

They ran away..... anyone with a triple digit IQ got out while the going is good because it's clear that crazy putain is not going to stop until he gets at least 500,000 russians killed.....

russians either don't care or actively support the mass blood sacrifice of russian men in putain's death cult (remember the "anti-putin" russian who said she didn't care about russian soldiers dying because they were 'useless'?)

Perhaps, but one way or another - wars are not about men but rather about women. I'd take Soviet Union's 195M with women giving birth to 3-4 children on average rather than today's Russia with 150M and women having 1-2 kids. These days losses in population are much more difficult to replace. We (Europeans) are dying out even without any wars.

I see you are counting in the populations of occupied countries which the USSR invaded in 1939 or 1940 - the Baltics, Eastern Poland, Eastern Romania, part of Finland.

Don`t coz you are making a mistake. Similarly, Germans could count in the Poles living in the lands that were incorporated into Germany right after they conquered Poland. Later developments proved those Poles remained Poles and paid Germans back for everything.


Yes, again the same mistake - stop counting people living in the Russian occupation zone coz most of them are antiRussian.

Spit in the lying face of whoever told you that.

Although Soviet soldiers at the front called American pork stew in cans somewhat ironically "the second front," as if to remind that Germany did not have to fight seriously on the western front at that time (until the D-Day).

I think you should only talk about the population that is sober

worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

37 percent of Russian males are problem drinkers. It is the one ranking where Russia leads the world. That means that in a 6 man tank crew, 2 of them will be sozzled at any time

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today's currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945.

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes!
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks!
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food

USA has only sent 50 billion in Military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine so far, so when it reaches 180 billion we can say it's a fair fight due to the debts of history.

@amiga500
Well said. Check and mate Velund. On that note, I will make a donation to Ukraine this afternoon.

t.me/denazi_UA/35321

Instead of salary, Ukrainian soldiers are given bonds that they can cash in 2026. 🤦

Because the US is running out of money and patience and crazy Poland that sees Russia as if the Soviet Union was still in operation does not count.

Historically, when the US runs out of money or patience the end is near. See Vietnam and Afghanistan. That's why.

Also, Russia is not in the mood to give a chunk of itself to its enemy. The more casualties, the less desire to do it.

C, D, and L are Russia now and you can argue and quote all day long but to Russia protecting Russia and Russians is not negotiable. So the only question is how many people will die on both sides before that simple reality sinks in. How this works, read about Stalingrad and WW2.

Please don't insult me with "...but the referendum was not legal..." or any such crap.

No, we won`t. :):)

We will only point out that you are mistaken if you really think that Russian patriotism will overwhelm Ukrainian patriotism. No, Ukrainians will finally prevail coz their cause is right while Russians` is bad. Keeping the occupied territories by Russia at all cost means that the West will keep its sanctions, depriving Russia not only of its profits but also of technological progress. . After a few years we will witness the collapse of Russia as we know it.

The beginning of the end is already visible. E.,g Russian banks when they offer credit or debit cards to clients have to rip off electronic chips from old cards and fix them into new ones. Tell us, how long can economy work this way??? And with what results??

BTW, do you know what new important sanction is starting on 4 Feb???

No. It will be Russian explosives that will. Ukrainian patriotism is merely a tool to make them more willing to die for bullsh*it - thanks to me known here as Z-P=0 (see Crimea).

The only thing that counts is the American desire to continue meddling in what has zero significance to them. No, Russia is not planning to invade Alaska.


As long as ours. We don't make ANYTHING that relies on electrons. We buy EVERYTHING from China, SK, Taiwan, and Japan. We make baseball bats and toothpicks. Maybe...

While Ukrainians will stand and passively observe Russian explosives. hahahaha Come on, you are thinking like a child. Thinking coz I can`t call it reasoning by any means. :):):


While Russia has been cut off from official trade with those countries by Western sanctions. Even when China declares support, they refuse to sell high technology to Russians in fear of being hit with similar sanctions. If there is sth illegal under the surface, it is on a small scale much below Russian needs.

Shills have been out in force the last couple of days.... usually this means they're trying to distract from some ongoing or imminent disaster....

hmmmm

When RAND is the shill, I would pay attention and stop posting stupid one-liners. The following is from the American press, not me, so pay attention:

The US ending its financial, humanitarian and particularly military support promptly would cause Ukraine to completely collapse, and RAND cites several reasons why doing so would be sensible, not least because a Ukrainian victory is regarded as both "improbable" and "unlikely," due to Russian "resolve," and its military mobilization having "rectified the manpower deficit that enabled Ukraine's success in the Kharkiv counteroffensive."


I am sure. The question is will U survive that long. Poland had the brains to fold in less than two month and so did France, Norway, Denmark, Belgium,...Why would that do it? Hmm...

BTW, did you catch this:

...not least because a Ukrainian victory is regarded as both "improbable" and "unlikely," due to Russian "resolve,"...

For the ignorant here, RAND is a think tank corporation funded by the US military complex. Not good when they "shill" for Russia.

Hot damn! RAND have been compromised by Putin as well? How does he do it?

Darling, Poland stopped fighting coz its armies were completely broken. Don`t use that example on Ukraine whose armies are in good condition..


Define what you mean by Ukrainian victory. For the time being, Ukraine is winning all the time.

Well, if Ukrainian victory is improbable and unlikely, let Poland join the fight - that's 78m people versus 140m (I'm not adding occupied Ukrainians to Russian population as Bobi does), so to improve the odds, let's add Gemany to the fight - that's already 160 million, so the rest of NATO can stay at home for the time being.

Of course, there is one problem: Ukrainian-Polish-German alliance has larger population, better trained armies and more modern equipment but we don't have atomic weapons. However, it's only a minor problem. With Ukrainian nuclear know-how, German money and Polish moral superiority, we should be able to develop our own atomic weapons rather quickly. Let's see how that affects Russian "resolve" he he :)

Interesting thread/quiz on the appeasers (but.... it worked so well in 1938!) who want a "negotiated peace with russia" offered by one of the very few honorable citizens of that misbegotten dungheap

twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1621175646226649088

This one is rather sad...



... has the existence of torture chambers for children been confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt, Maf?

Tells us when it is going to take place and what you base your presumption on. :):)


5th Feb more exactly.

Novi, read this and tell us how long Russia will hold on with such a boycotte from the West:

The embargo on petroleum products comes into force on Sunday . This is the second part of the EU sanctions hitting the Russian fuel industry. Exactly two months earlier (December 5), the EU, G7 countries and Australia introduced sanctions on imports of Russian oil by sea . According to the Center for Eastern Studies, this is the widest and most severe of the restrictions imposed on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine.

-Another embargo is a strong blow to the Russian economy, because Europe was an important market for Russian oil and finished petroleum products, such as diesel -says Interia Dr. Tomasz Makarewicz, an economist from the University of Bielefeld .

Before the entry into force of the sanctions, EU countries were a key buyer of finished petroleum products, primarily diesel, and some increased their imports from January to November 2022. "The group of countries that increased their purchases at that time included Belgium, Greece, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Slovenia and Bulgaria. In the indicated period, imports of petroleum products from Russia, especially diesel, were reduced by France, Poland, Spain, Croatia, Lithuania and Estonia" - enumerates OSW. By losing European markets, Russia will lose the lion's share of profits . And this is not the end of her troubles.


Kania, you amaze me! Positively, of course! :):):)

I've avoided looking too closely but I've yet to see any real counter information and russian online reaction to Ukrainian children being killed (best described as wild animal joy) means I don't doubt it.

Bucha... Mariupol.... what makes you think those monsters would _not_ torture children?

*profoundly shocked*


I don't know... it's just that bombing cities or even murdering adult civilians are on an entirely different level of evil than the pure sickf*ckness required to torture children. At the moment I don't want to believe it.

I don't know about "torture chambers" specifically for children, but:

nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

"Russian troops have raped and tortured children in Ukraine, carried out a "large number" of executions and committed other war crimes, according to a United Nations investigation by legal experts."

then don't and continue to be friendly to those that support it....