Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

@PolAmKrakow

Would it be fair to say that if a Russian S-300/400 launcher was destroyed by a Ukrainian missile, we could expect to see you here the next day crowing about "Russia's useless air defenses"? We would not see you engaging in the type of casuistics you are engaging in now regarding the difference between a radar, a launcher, and an ECS (engagement control system) - correct?

@Barney
Maybe you need to read what he wrote and compare it to the real news. Or are you another little socialist longing for the return of the USSR and a basic income? Another Putinazi I see.

@Bobko
No my friend. I base my opinions off of evidence, not what people say. Photos, videos and confirmed evidence.

When will Russia take Bakhmut?

Ladies and Gentlemen, here is a man who expects fairness and objectivity from random people on a random internet board!

Hmm... perhaps Russians are indeed idealists with "special feelings" towards the truth. ;)

@PolAmKrakow
The point of any forum is to discuss what people say not what you think they said. You clearly need to learn the basics plus some manners.

@Barney
I am an American. I have no use for fake manners. Lets be direct when speaking always. I am sure Velund appreciates your attempt to protect his words, though he does not need it. He, unlike you, who sticks his nose where it wasnt requested, can stick up for himself just fine and provoke many a conversation. Now, that the manner police is out, maybe you should learn its not polite to interupt people when you were not part of the conversation. Off to your room now, must be past your bedtime.

Yes, foolish perhaps...

This war has really opened my eyes to the power of propaganda. Also, to the fact that it takes two to tango. Propaganda must fall on fertile ground, to be truly effective. Turns out Russophobic Poles and American Cold Warriors really don't need much convincing to get going.

Of course, the same is true in Russia.

It's the genius of good propaganda - how well it is tailored to people's experience and subsurface fears.

You know what's really foolish? The really foolish thing is that, even on this board, otherwise perfectly normal people - from every walk of life really - are willing to hate each other, slander and dehumanise each other and eventually even go and kill each other because rich c*nts who rule this world and those who are pulling their strings decided that it's time for another war, to boost their business or hidden agendas, that they can watch from afar in the safety of their superyachts with golden bidets.

And it's really foolish that people are willing to swallow all those lies and watch thousands of their fellow countrymen die, just for the same crooks to be able to keep stealing from them and sh*tting into their golden toilet bowls.

One rule should be introduced worldwide: if there is a war, only the richest 1-2% of the belligerent countries' population can be drafted into the army and fight on the frontlines. I bet we would then witness an era of universal peace between nations.


Yes, Poles were always the villains in popular Russian imagination. With current propaganda your people must think that we're some sort of Russian-eating cannibals.


Exactly.

GK, like it or not, you are my BFF for this post. I said the same thing so I will stop right here...


Small mod...The richest's kids...Since this will never happen, the best wars are when civilians die in large numbers. Then they end fairly quickly.

Just telling it like it is, Novi. Just telling it like it is.

An interesting thought. Dragging Cold War relic T55s and BTR70s out of storage could, conceivably, be an effort by the r*SSians to reconnect with their Soviet past.

Of course it isn't. It is far more likely to be exactly what it looks like, sheer desperation

Meanwhile, the Storm Shadows are getting an excellent road test which is likely to result in increased sales for the UK and should the Challenger 2s prove themselves in battle as they are likely to, that could nicely reboot. Britain's defence industry. Of course, after all this, nobody, not even North Korea or Somalia will want r*SSian-made crap, even in the unlikely circumstance that they are still allowed to make it.

Good realistic analysis from someone via guardian.

Ukraine's forces are broadly ready to start a counter offensive says a Western official, speaking on condition of anonymity. Key point is the "cognitive effect" any attack has on the Kremlin. It is "more important, arguably than cleaving through Russian lines" they add. What does success look like for 🇺🇦? Ukrainians have to be "able to show that they are having momentum" + it has to be "more than piecemeal penny packets of forces going forward" the official said. So, perhaps (and this is my inference) threatening to reach Sea of Azov... Russians have 200,000 + troops still in Ukraine, but lines are thinly held. One Russian brigade lined up against one Ukrainian atm. Russia has "limited reserves" but its defensive lines are "potentially formidable" the official added.

To anyone with two functioning brain cells, it proves that Russia never planned on being an aggressor in Europe and that it was provoked into the war by the countries that jointly spend 1.2 trillion vs Russia's 60 billion on arms. Or 20 times more! .Duh!

You tell me why the US needs tanks and artillery. Because Canada or Mexico will one day invade the US or because the US swamp loves wars - the longer, the better.

In this war, the roles are simple: US swamp rolls in the dough, Uks do the dying, Poles get their heroes for future movies and books, and the UK...This is where I need help...

Maybe from Bobko or Velund...

Good. May the counter offensive be devastating to r*SSia. I expect it will be a hard slog though, however in the end decency and goodness will triumph.

To anyone with sufficient brain cells, it is clear that r*SSia had planned their aggression for years and history has shown that aggression is very much that country's modus operandi; fortunately their planning sucks as much as their strategy and tactics.

To use them against Russia if it attacks NATO Europe. Simple.


Like three true Putinists - all for one, one for all. :):):):)

Defend your own asses. You have the money, nukes, and cannon fodder. FO!

A country that had Kursk would not be out of tanks if it planned to attack Europe.
Yes, I know, genius, only you are smart. Russia, on the other hand, can't plan, shoot, make ammo, and...oops ... forgot tanks...Holly cow, how could we forget that...Vlad! We have no tanks and ammo...what now...

That is exactly what Wagner are saying now!

Even those unstoppable hypersonic missiles fired at Kiev were shot down......

Putin has fvcked up BIG TIME!

You don't know that. The Guardian is not your friend.

I do.


I don't read that left wing rag!

So why won't NATO with Poland in the lead attack Russians when they are out of ammo, out of tanks, and out of the will to fight? What a splendid opportunity!!!

Because they are not needed.
As long as the West arm and train Ukrainians, they are more than capable of doing it themselves.
No need for a WW3 that Russia would lose.

Your terseness is annoying and not convincing.

Normal people would offer the evidence or at least a link. What you are doing is another form of bickering.

And the UK (with some help from their former colony) is destroying their primary competitor on this side of Atlantics (i.e. Germany) and prepare to cut the (british) lion share in a EU destruction shards to include to "UK Pound zone". Market of UK itself is too small to be self-sufficient, so to restore at least something from former British Empire might it is necessary to get control on economy of continent' fraction.

@Velund

I didn't understand your post at all.
But the UK economy is doing fine.

To the same degree as ukraine ability to shot down dozens of Daggers?

theguardian.com/global/video/2023/may/17/ann-widdecombe-dont-have-cheese-sandwiches-if-you-cant-afford-them-video

If they were capable, a year later, Ukraine would not look like Warsaw in 1945 and would not be down to 20 million people, and 300,000 or so dead or permanently disabled.

It takes heartless mother fu*ckers like the Western scum that you all are to watch a nation being destroyed in slow motion with you just coming up with lame excuses to justify your lack of response.

Where is that shock and awe Western scum delivered to Iraq for no known reason? Now you have all the reasons to act but you are nothing but scared Euro weasels that can't make a move without the watchful eye and the protection of the US.

BTW, if you, Western Euro scum, stay within Ukraine's 2021 borders, there will not be WW3. Russia may be all things but it's not suicidal. Just like the US. So be brave and go for it...

Reason is known. Taxpayer money will not go to pockets of US MIC shareholders by itself. Each part of richest families in US doing their job. Ones (on the background) is receiving cash, others (in a public politics) provide endless flow of orders to a companies who generate abovementioned cash. Rednecks is paying taxes. Ukrainians/Iraquis die in process. System work fine.

You are damn right but that reason is not to be mentioned out loud.


The gutlessness of Western "democracies" is breathtaking. Just imagine...You (editorial) see a guy you hate beating your sister. What do you do? Stop him ASAP or let him go on so he will get tired and have a heart attack from exhaustion.

That's what I just read here, sick a-holes...

Without proof...If Russia ever gets wobbly (I hope and pray it will never happen), NATO will ask IMF to prop it up because what NATO needs more than anything is an enemy to justify its sick existence.

I live in a relatively free country, so I can afford many things that is taboo on the West. ;)

Quoting from dailymail.com:

Russia has pioneered hypersonic missiles, and is seen as having gained an advantage on Western missile arsenals.

Those primitive barbarians...Only 15,000 km/h...Big deal...