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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Korvinus
23 Nov 2023  #1

what exactly did Ukraine gain

As I see it, Maidan was the first step on the road to freedom and prosperity (ie breaking away from Rusniggerian influence which guarantees poverty, shittiness and suffering). The next step is being taken right now (defense against the last attempt of Rusniggeria to draw Ukraine back into shi*t) and the final one will be done with the EU and NATO accession.

Its the same path that basicaly the whole eastern block has taken since 1989, the only difference being that Rusniggers were tame back in the day and are putting up a fight to stop others from having a better life now. It is tragic, but there is no doubt Ukraine will preserve its freedom, the prosperity will follow.

mafketis
23 Nov 2023  #2

Maidan was the first step on the road to freedom and prosperity

No, that was in 2004, but it was a bit incoherent and the population became lazy afterward instead of watching the government like a hawk...

2013-14 was the next step as people realized the scope of the russian-caused rot in their society and decided to do something about it...

Alien
23 Nov 2023  #3

Did you just pull this number out of your as$?

No, my number of "bobki" is usually between 2 and 10.

Novichok
24 Nov 2023  #4

The next step is being taken right now

Cut the poetry and list Ukrainian gains, G, and losses, L, from the day I was called names in the spring of 2022.
When you have both G and L, subtract L from G and post the net, N.
Then write poetry - if you can. Don't forget prayers for those Ukrainians who are no longer with us. Their mothers, wives, and kids will appreciate it.

BTW, please include your definition of "freedom" and the difference between freedom-Z and freedom-P. Use simple words so they will get it and say, yeah, that was worth his life.

amiga500
24 Nov 2023  #5

Don't forget prayers for those Ukrainians who are no longer with us.

As if you give a sh#t, if this forum was overwhelmingly pro ruski, you would be gungho about Ukri freedom and defence. Ie you're a useless contrarian.

Novichok
24 Nov 2023  #6

Name one thing I changed my mind about to be a contrarian.

My position is simple: Russians liberated Poland and now I am paying American taxes to surround them, to provoke them, and to kill them while my country is being invaded by the millions with no end in sight. I hate it!!! Got it, a-hole?

Hey, Mr. K, how are you doing calculating G, L, and N? Need help?

Velund
24 Nov 2023  #7

the millions with no end in sight

They are an integral part of democracy, future professional voters who will vote the right way for the welfare benefits, so that the taxpayers don't over-emphasize their place in the world.

Novichok
24 Nov 2023  #8

Hey, Velund, do you think I will ever get G, L, and N from K or am I wasting my time?
See #4 for an explanation of what these letters mean.

Velund
24 Nov 2023  #9

I think K don't give a fcuk about N while U kills R to their pleasure.

Velund
24 Nov 2023  #10

And again from the channel of Ukrainian blogger and lawyer Tatyana Montyan....

What are these hysterics all about?

If we try to make sense of the nonsense that some exalted Western experts and officials have been spouting lately about Russia's imminent attack on NATO, we can find one curious pattern. The hysteria about imminent aggressive aggression has intensified at about the same time as talk of blockading Russia's Baltic ports.

Only something out of the ordinary can spur Russia to really decisive action. Let's remember the environment in which Crimea was annexed, and how Russia then spent eight years systematically doing everything possible to avoid a major war. And how much effort Zelensky and the Brits had to put in to force Russia to go to war.

So, the blockade of the Baltic ports, which is planned to begin in the near future with tankers without Western insurance, and then can be expanded to a complete stop of shipping, may be the very reason why Russia will be forced to give some decisive response to the Collective West. And they understand this perfectly well there. And if problems with this start in the Black Sea, the situation will become almost hopeless. After all, about 3/4 of all foreign trade passes through these two seas, and if it is blocked, the blow to Russia's economy will be comparable to a nuclear bombing.

Actually, the only way to force Russia to deal with the Baltic sprat microreichs and other very loud and brazen mutts is to do something like this. And if they're yelling like that, then something is probably being planned.


Novichok
25 Nov 2023  #11

Children, today I will explain what happened when people were liberated by the Red Army. The reason why I want to discuss this subject with you is that some morons here cannot accept "liberated" and "Red Army" in the same sentence. When they read posts where both are used to express the poster's gratitude, their heads explode.

You see, boys and girls, when the Red Army reached Auschwitz on January 27, 1945, not a single prisoner told the brave Soviet soldiers to go away and leave the gate closed.

To prove that it's safe to use the term "liberated by the Red Army", here is a quote from Wikipedia:

Liberation of Auschwitz concentration camp

On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz concentration camp ... was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula-Oder Offensive.
The date is recognized as International Holocaust Remembrance Day.


Did you notice "liberation" and "liberated"? Good.

Alien
25 Nov 2023  #12

27 January 1945, Auschwitz concentration camp ... was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula-Oder Offensive.

More precisely, it was the so-called Ukrainian Front, and in the first tank that entered the camp there was a Ukrainian crew.
Yes, guys (Bobko and his helpers), Auschwitz was liberated by the Ukrainians.

cms neuf
25 Nov 2023  #13

But in villages all over Poland they got smashed then stole, burned and raped, while their commanders stood by and sometimes joined in. AK members were deported and murdered and their property looted.

Paulina
25 Nov 2023  #14

Children, today I will explain what happened when people were liberated by the Red Army.

You don't know what happened, because you were too little to witness it and you're to much of a lazy pro-Soviet and pro-RuSSian a$$hole to read about what happened during and after that "liberation".

More precisely, it was the so-called Ukrainian Front, and in the first tank that entered the camp there was a Ukrainian crew.
Yes, guys (Bobko and his helpers), Auschwitz was liberated by the Ukrainians.

Yup:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Ukrainian_Front

"Due to the conscription of civilians, the proportion of Ukrainian citizens fighting in south-west Ukraine reached 50%."

"Ukrainians accounted for 60-80% of Soviet Red Army soldiers in the 1st to 4th Ukrainian Fronts."

Mr Grunwald
25 Nov 2023  #15

@Paulina
Common misconception is that most of Soviet Union losses were Russians. Truthfully, most losses by Soviet Union were Belarusian and Ukrainian. Loss of wealth and homes too.

But yeah, historical ignoramuses exist. Soviet "Liberation" meant mostly that the lower classes were "liberated" from the oppression of "Nazi's, fascists, Burgoois, kulaks and nobility (most specifically Polish nobility, often branding any Polish behaviour as "Polskie pany behaviour")

Followed by Soviet Union institutions that were more brutal then German institutions, clearly described by former inmate of Auschwitz Witold Pilecki that experienced both and had no quarrel with branding Soviet methods as worst.

But Soviet apologists will try and whitewash history and tell lies and Soviet Propaganda to this day

PolAmKrakow
25 Nov 2023  #16

It would seem that no one wants to fight in this war for either side.

kyivindependent.com/bbc-650-000-conscription-aged-men-have-left-ukraine-for-europe/

Bobko
25 Nov 2023  #17

It would seem that no one wants to fight in this war for either side.

Russia has a population 4X Ukraine's.

Russia had 700K people leave to escape mobilization.

According to your article, official statistics indicate 650K Ukrainians have fled the country (while the article says hundreds of thousands more may be living undocumented).

Do the math - who has a more serious issue with manpower?

Then also consider, that supposedly as much as half of Russia's draft dodgers have already returned home, after their money ran out or their credit cards stopped working.

mafketis
25 Nov 2023  #18

It's Holodomor Memorial day, when Ukrainians remember the millions of Ukrainians killed by russia (in the guise of the USSR) through a deliberate man-made famine.

So russia.... decided to mark the occasion by launching the largest drone attack on Kyiv since the beginning of the war....

5 injuired including an 11 year old girl.... (russian attitudes toward Ukrainians: "old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher")

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1728330775957733470

Thus russia continues to take its "place in the sun"....

russian depravity again...

PolAmKrakow
25 Nov 2023  #19

@Bobko
I have already said Ukraine has the issue with manpower, and they cannot simply keep killing Russians to end the war. Russia will just send more men. I know a lot of Russians in the US who have overstayed their visa's or applied for refugee status. Ukraine also has an issue with ammunition of all types, and they cannot make it past mid February now. Congress returns on the 28th and Ukraine funding wont be coming soon. There will be no cash going to Ukraine to fund the government, pensions and military salaries from the US any more, and this is a very big issue. Lots for Ukraine to make happen in little time. But, Vlad isn't gaining any ground and there is still time to make some moves to cut off Crimea.

mafketis
25 Nov 2023  #20

they cannot simply keep killing Russians to end the war.

Killing more of the enemy, when they place no value on human life, might be necessary but it won't defeat the enemy.

no cash going to Ukraine to fund the government, pensions and military salaries from the US any more

The US has a pattern (look at Kurdish history) at encouraging military rebellion but never giving them what they need to win.... it's clear by now that the US does not want russia to lose, whether it's because they're afraid of russian psychosis and nuclear threats or they don't like the idea of upsetting the power balance in the EU or whether some (esp republicans) have been bought off doesn't matter. the US is not a reliable ally (and the whole world knows that).

Any rhetoric about the border or domestic problems is distraction since aid not sent to Ukraine won't be spent on any domestic problems.

It is what it is....

cms neuf
25 Nov 2023  #21

I suspect oil is somehow in the US calculations - they want Putler out but want to make sure Udmurtian oil ends up in the right hands and pocketbooks

Of course the correct strategy is that we in Europe diversify our sources so we never end up reliant on the dipsomaniacs in Moscow for anything

PolAmKrakow
25 Nov 2023  #22

@mafketis
Aid to Ukraine is directly tied to border issues and no more will be passed without the border being address. That is simply a fact not for Biden.

responsiblestatecraft.org/russia-military-history-ukraine/ This is an excellent take on things.

Strangely now, Kennedy is likely to be the first third party candidate to be included in the US presidential debates in 30 years. If this happens, he is smarter than Trump and Biden and could change the entire country. He has specific opinions about Ukraine and in individual polls he beats Biden or Trump head to head. Thats something Ukraine and everyone else needs to pay attention to.

Novichok
25 Nov 2023  #23

Yes, guys (Bobko and his helpers), Auschwitz was liberated by the Ukrainians.

Go argue with Wikipedia. They were the Red Army first.
Where they were born and raised, nobody in Auschwitz gave a damn on Jab 27, 1945. For some idiotic reason, it is relevant to you.

Paulina
25 Nov 2023  #24

@Novichok, it's the today's RuSSians, however, who are having a problem with moving of the Red Army monuments in Poland, it's the today's RuSSians who make the most noise about "liberating" Poland and they are the ones expecting and demanding "gratitude" for something that not only their grandfathers and grandmothers did, but also the grandfathers and grandmothers of many, many Ukrainians and Belarusians (and how many of them died).

It's also the RuSSians who behave as if the only legacy of Ukraine and Ukrainians was UPA and collaborating with Nazis, conveniently "forgetting" about how many Ukrainians fought against the Nazis.

it is relevant to you.

Oh, trust me, it is relevant to RuSSians too. They keep banging on and on about how THEY defeated the Nazis and liberated Poland, as if there was noone else besides them in the Soviet Union.

So, we are just reminding them (and you) :)

Novichok
25 Nov 2023  #25

There is nothing more stupid than splitting the Red Army into smaller pieces on the basis of ethnicity. To my credit, I referred to them as the Red Army.

Today, Polish Russia haters like you, resort to insults like "RuSSians" while ignoring that the term includes a dozen different ethnic and racial groups.
But all is fine when Polska idiotka needs to vent. So let's lump 'em and insult 'em to feel better for a minute after ENTER.

Paulina
25 Nov 2023  #26

There is nothing more stupid than splitting the Red Army into smaller pieces on the basis of ethnicity.

Tell that to RuSSians, who behave as if no Ukrainian has ever fought against the Nazis and who are "splitting" the NKVD into "smaller pieces" in order to claim that Polish officers in KatyƄ were murdered by Jews, not RuSSians :))))

resort to insults like "RuSSians" while ignoring that the term includes a dozen different ethnic and racial groups

I'm not ignoring that at all, you idiot :)))

But all is fine when Polska idiotka needs to vent.

My "venting" is no worse than yours, polski idioto, or that of RuSSians and Crnogorac3's, who are insulting grandsons and grandaughters of people who fought against the Nazis by calling them "Nazis" :)

mafketis
25 Nov 2023  #27

Aid to Ukraine is directly tied to border issues and no more will be passed without the border being address.

Be that as it may, I predict that nothing is going to happen at the border because neither party wants it (no matter what they say now).

Velund
25 Nov 2023  #28

grandsons and grandaughters of people who fought against the Nazis by calling them "Nazis"

What to do with grandsons and grandaughters of people who fought ON SIDE of the Nazis in Waffen SS and now name themselves "true ukrainians"?

Novichok
25 Nov 2023  #29

because neither party wants it (no matter what they say now).

...which only proves my point that Western "democracies" are single-party pretend games for the naive. Just like the reds and the blues during army exercises.

In the US, it's so obvious that they call it "a loyal opposition".

Korvinus
25 Nov 2023  #30

Hey, Velund, do you think I will ever get G, L, and N from K or am I wasting my time?

Every time Novichok posts, I have the impression of reading a teenager or a child. This guy must be 12 or 14 years old, there's no way he is more mature than that.


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