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cms neuf
11 Jul 2023  #10,501

He is the most senior government official in the world. If you write off everything he says because he is old then that is kind of a problem.

And it was backed by the CDC - the federal agency in charge of diseases

johnny reb
11 Jul 2023  #10,502

Do you still think the vaccine prevents Covid like we were told they would at one point in time ?

More conspiracy theory on your part. No-one was told that.

Really Paulina...I mean Feniks ?
During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe biden falsely stated that "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,"

Then perhaps you should have mentioned that the claim was falsely made

The point was that it was made and you claimed it wasn't to discredit me and you turned out to be wrong.
I just proved you wrong on that didn't I.
Perhaps you should just put your big girl pants on, and admit you were wrong and J.R. was right instead of digging your hole deeper for your broken ego trying to get the last word in. 😂😂😂😂😂

Find someone else to argue with.

Feniks
12 Jul 2023  #10,503

And it was backed by the CDC -

Could you link me to something confirming that the CDC claimed that Covid is prevented by getting vaccinated. The CDC claiming that there is a 1 in 5000 chance of getting Covid after vaccination, even though this is a low figure, is not the same as saying that it can't be contracted at all.

I accept that Biden falsely stated you can't get Covid if you're vaccinated - I found where he said this in a different Whitehouse link to the one you posted.

" You're not going to - you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. "

whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-in-a-cnn-town-hall-with-don-lemon/

But it doesn't state that this was confirmed by the CDC.

The point was that it was made

In a misleading way.

cms neuf
12 Jul 2023  #10,504

It is in the second link I posted already - from Politifact

Feniks
12 Jul 2023  #10,505

second link I posted already - from Politifact

I don't have a lot of time now, but that article states the same thing, that the odds are low of catching it if vaccinated, it doesn't say that the CDC says that you can't get Covid if you are vaccinated.

mafketis
12 Jul 2023  #10,506

the odds are low of catching it if vaccinated

and that apparently wasn't the case, was it?

the 'vaccines' were crap, rushed and leaky and they were being relentlessly pushed long after it was clear they were just not very effective....

cms neuf
12 Jul 2023  #10,507

I can't remember the stats but I think at best it reduced transmission by about 20 percent

Personally had covid twice despite having 3 shots. I am sure most adults are the same in Poland

And yet they wanted to introduce these crazy vaccine "passports" - some countries like France and Canada went really hardcore on them, meaning refusing vaccination was de facto criminalized.

But these "passports" are senseless in the scenario where it doesn't prevent transmission.

mafketis
12 Jul 2023  #10,508

at best it reduced transmission by about 20 percent

probably just for the first variant and didn't do much of anything with later versions....

had covid twice despite having 3 shots

I had 2 AZ shots and then got covid.... and probably had it a second time (didn't test but had the same symptoms as a friend who was positive on a home test).

Vaccine 'passports' were just a gamble to keep hoi polloi from travelling (a priority item on the elite agenda.... for a number of years now).

johnny reb
12 Jul 2023  #10,509

But it doesn't state that this was confirmed by the CDC.

That wasn't the argument that you lost now was it.....

In a misleading way.

That wasn't the argument though.
You stated that:

No-one was told that.

A Yank and a man corrected you and you just refuse to put your big girl pants on and admit your statement was wrong.
Twist, wiggle, rephrase, re-direct but everyone knows that J.R. got you on this one.
Can we please move on now ?

Feniks
12 Jul 2023  #10,510

and that apparently wasn't the case, was it?

No, it wasn't. For example, of the 15 people in my department at work, all of whom have been vaccinated, I am the only one that hasn't had Covid ( unless I'm asymptomatic )

That wasn't the argument that you lost now was it.....

I haven't lost an argument. The implication from your original post # 10495 is that the public were told that having the vaccine prevents Covid. Any person looking at that post would presume as I did that this was US medical advice. Biden did falsely claim this:

"You're not going to - you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-in-a-cnn-town-hall-with-don-lemon/

But this advice was NOT endorsed by the CDC.

Biden also said that there was a 1 in 5000 chance of getting the virus after being vaccinated. That advice did come from the CDC as cms neuf stated earlier.

This is not the same as saying that the vaccines prevent the public from getting the disease. That's like saying that the vaccines are 100% effective when there isn't a single vaccine that is. The CDC would be opening themselves up for lawsuits if they claimed that and then people got seriously ill or died.

Your post was misleading. Go back to believing in mRNA vaccines altering your DNA, turbo cancers etc.

Korvinus
12 Jul 2023  #10,511

Your post was misleading. Go back to believing in mRNA vaccines altering your DNA, turbo cancers etc.

igorchudov.substack.com/p/cancer-rates-are-increasing-and-may?publication_id=441185&post_id=79223164&isFreemail=true

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X?via%3Dihub
Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis. We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.

johnny reb
12 Jul 2023  #10,512

I haven't lost an argument.

Yes you have and you know it so just stop being an idiot.
Will you be getting another covid vaccine ? YES or NO ?
Read this first.
[Quoting]
A study conducted by the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF) found that Covid death rates among Amish communities are 90 times lower than for the rest of America. The main difference, the study revealed, is that Amish communities completely ignored the guidelines from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Amish families did not get vaccinated or wear masks, nor did they engage in lockdowns, social distancing, or any other type of restrictions.
But the separated communities didn't avoid catching the virus, however, as roughly 90% of the Amish have been infected with Covid.

These chronic conditions, which many vaccinated children and swaths of Americans suffer from, include auto-immune disease, heart disease, diabetes, asthma, ADHD, arthritis, cancer, and autism.

"It would show that the CDC has been harming the public for decades and saying nothing and burying all the data."


johnny reb
12 Jul 2023  #10,513

Continuing:
Leading American cardiologist, and friend of Leading Report's, Dr. Peter McCullough has dozens of peer-reviewed published works related to the rise of chronic conditions among the public.

McCullough has testified before the U.S. Senate and before legislatures throughout the U.S. regarding the dangers of mRNA jabs.

The experts all noted that chronic conditions are soaring among the American people.
However, they concluded that these conditions are non-existent among unvaxxed Amish communities.
According to the VSRF study, not one single Amish child could be found who had suffered from cancer, autism, heart disease, or other conditions that are on the rise among American children.


I think I will opt out again.

mafketis
13 Jul 2023  #10,514

like saying that the vaccines are 100% effective when there isn't a single vaccine that is.

of the top of your head.... how effective were the mrna.... things..... (don't want to call them vaccines...)?

Feniks
13 Jul 2023  #10,515

study conducted by the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF)

I think I'll stop here. This is an anti-vaccine group founded by Steve KIrsch. One of its advisors is the discredited anti-vaxxer Dr Peter McCullough, who I mentioned in post #10480. I can't take anything you post seriously because it's always from anti-vax sources.

of the top of your head.... how effective were the mrna.... things..

At preventing serious illness and death? I'd have a guess at maybe 90%? If you mean your odds of contracting the disease after being vaccinated, a lot lower -- maybe 50%.

cms neuf
13 Jul 2023  #10,516

I am sure they had a significant impact on illness and death but wonder if the full benefit was down to the vaccines - is there not some antibody or herd immunity effect ? Countries in the third world with very low vaccine uptake also saw steeply falling death rates - of course they have less blood pressure and diabetes issues too

johnny reb
13 Jul 2023  #10,517

I think I'll stop here.

Smart of you.
You refuse to admit that the Anti-Vaxxers were right in much of what you call conspiracies.
Now with your narrow mind you want to confuse the issue by living in denial that you lost the original argument.
Keep googling the subject because if you can't convince them, confuse them.
Now, will you be getting your next Covid vaccine ?

Feniks
14 Jul 2023  #10,518

Countries in the third world with very low vaccine uptake also saw steeply falling death rates

Many of the developing countries with limited access to vaccines had very high death rates before those rates fell though. South American countries in particular, India, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina etc.

You refuse to admit that the Anti-Vaxxers were right in much of what you call conspiracies.

That's because they weren't.

johnny reb
15 Jul 2023  #10,519

That's because they weren't.

Actually they were as this thread proves.
What do you support your erroneous claim with ?

Fauci should be in prison for lying, killing people by the thousands, all while personally profiting off covid.
That scum bag sure has gone into hiding hasn't he.
He sure has some major answering to do.

Feniks
15 Jul 2023  #10,520

What do you support your erroneous claim with ?

mRNA vaccines do not change your DNA:

fullfact.org/online/rna-vaccine-covid/
reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-viral-post-idUSKBN28S2V1

The vaccines do not cause increases in cancer rates:

"No evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer or worsen cancer progression"

healthfeedback.org/claimreview/possible-increases-cancer-rates-lower-life-expectancy-2021-primarily-effects-of-covid-19-not-vaccination/

They don't cause 'turbo cancer' either, whatever that is:

reuters.com/article/factcheck-turbocancer-vaccine-idUSL1N3340PQ

They do not cause infertility:

cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html

health.gov.au/news/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-cause-infertility

If you want to believe everything you read from social media posts and videos from anti-vax quacks, many of whom have been discredited, then you crack on.

Next you'll be saying that the moon landings were a hoax and Elvis is alive and kicking in Hicksville 😂😂😂

cms neuf
15 Jul 2023  #10,521

Re the third world I am not convinced at all by your argument

In Africa for example a 14 percent vaccination rate but far better outcomes than Europe, despite non existent healthcare. It seems a mixture of antibodies and natural response combined with a better diet and more sunshine

nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html

In India the rates are highly controversial - the WHO (who have been wrong about most things since Jan 2020) say it was 4.5m deaths based on their bogus "excess deaths" measure while Modi gives an equally implausible 0.5m deaths. Either way, with only 65 percent vaccination they had a lower death rate than the west.

Don't know much about South America so I will take your word for it.

Bosnia and Bulgaria are not third world countries

Shouldn't there be a direct correlation between high vaccination rate and good covid outcomes ?

johnny reb
15 Jul 2023  #10,522

mRNA vaccines do not change your DNA:

You are so much fun to send on a fools errand. LOL
mRNA is not the same as DNA silly girl.
There hasn't been enough elapsed time to prove your cancer conspiracy theory yet.
Now lets focus on the increase in heart deceases, blood clots in the lungs and strokes.
If you want to believe everything you read from social media posts and videos from bootlicker vax quacks, many of whom have been discredited, then you crack on.

Next you will be saying that no one told the public that the Covid vaccine would prevent you from catching Covid. LOL.....
...........OH WAIT ! ....you already claimed that. 😂😂😂 😂😂😂

Feniks
17 Jul 2023  #10,523

the third world I am not convinced at all by your argument

I didn't realise you meant Africa in particular. The countries I listed are classed as developing countries which I think is the term for third world countries these days. It's why I classed Bosnia and Bulgaria in that category. I noted only that many of the developing countries with poor access to vaccines initially had very high death rates. I didn't necessarily mean all countries, and yes, you're right, Africa does seem to be an anomaly.

I can't read your link as it's behind a paywall.

It seems a mixture of antibodies and natural response combined with a better diet and more sunshine

I also read in addition to the above reasons that public health measures were acted upon very quickly, hand washing, social distancing etc. Africa also has a much younger population, the majority of deaths globally were in the elderly.

gdc.unicef.org/resource/coronavirus-africa-five-reasons-why-covid-19-has-been-less-deadly-elsewhere

You might find this article interesting. A new study by the Boston University School of Public Health has found that almost 90% of the deceased at a Zambian morgue were infected with the virus, but only 10% tested positive whilst alive:

bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2022/morgue-data-reveals-true-covid-19-death-toll-in-africa/

johnny reb
17 Jul 2023  #10,524

The thing with Covid is that there are still so many unknowns.
We hear true and false claims daily by this scientist or that scientist or this leading authority or that leading authority.
Look how the criminal Fauci for one example that was a little god during the out break of Covid and how he lied to Congree and the people of the world.

He should be in prison.
Pre-COVID pandemic, Fauci net worth in 2019 was approximately $7.5 million.
However, after two years into the COVID pandemic, his net worth in 2021 exploded to slightly more than $12.6 million.
An educated guess would be that he was being paid off, by the guilty, to stand before the people of the world, as a leading authority, and knowingly lied to them.

A lot of people got VERY rich off those lies including the manufactures of those Covid vaccines and still are.
A flue like symptom with a running nose and cough does not warrant shutting down the world.
Trump was right when he stated that Covid is a hoax to instill panic to see how far the bootlickers can be hoodwinked.
FIANALLY the truth got out and the people said ENOUGH !
It will be years before we know the truth about all the side effects from the Covid vaccines.
(ie: heart complications, blood clots, stroke, etc.)

cms neuf
17 Jul 2023  #10,525

Your theory is that hand washing and social distancing prevented mass covid deaths in Africa ?

Amusing to anyone who has ever been there.

Yes, it is probably because of the younger population, but if that's the case then why did all the young people in Europe and North America have to get vaccinated ? They probably would have been fine. At some point they were even trying to push it to primary school kids.

I am 3x vaccinated myself and glad of it, but I think the public policy on vaccines got out of control, way too much power given to unelected officials.

It is extremely disturbing how readily governments wanted to use this as a tool to curtail personal liberties - and that came not just from the right but also from "progressive" governments - Scotland, NZ, California, Canada, France etc.

Feniks
17 Jul 2023  #10,526

Your theory is that hand washing and social distancing prevented mass covid deaths in Africa ?

That's not my theory. It was simply put forward that African governments acted very quickly in getting public health measures implemented. It's one of the 5 reasons given in the Unicef link I provided. The UK in particular was very slow in this regard, too little too late to be honest.

why did all the young people in Europe and North America have to get vaccinated ?

Just because the young are less likely to die from Covid, the authorities would still have had to try and prevent as many deaths as possible. There would have been a huge outcry if only the elderly were offered vaccinations.

In addition, a lot of young people might have got seriously ill and ended up hospitalised without the vaccines. A friend of mine in her late twenties contracted Covid before the vaccines were available and she's been left with a damaged heart and lung problems.

I also think in the early days of the pandemic that the authorities were hoping to vaccinate as many as possible to slow the spread of the virus and to achieve herd immunity, which never really happened.

It is extremely disturbing how readily governments wanted to use this as a tool to curtail personal liberties

I agree. Those who didn't want the vaccines were basically ostracized. Australia in particular had pretty draconian measures. I've had the vaccine but I do believe in freedom of choice. Lots of people I know haven't had it, but a couple of friends of mine worked in care homes and had to leave their jobs when the UK parliament passed new legislation on vaccine requirements for those working in health care settings.

In my opinion, the rules and regulations alternated between being draconian and farcical. I'd like to think that lessons have been learned, but the UK is very good at talking but not actually doing anything.

Alien
23 Jul 2023  #10,527

Man thank God I never got the vaxx..

There is most definetly something to this vaxx where it makes your blood thicker as people are dying from blood clots, having heart problems, circulation issues due to coagulation, etc.

Well, we've never met and I know you won't read this, but it gives me a lot to think about.
RiP

johnny reb
26 Jul 2023  #10,528

Covid and the Covid vaccines conspiracies all keep coming back to population control.
The bootlickers call it conspiracy theories but is it all connected to Covid.
Here are the top 10 methods "they" are using to reduce human population down to a "manageable" amount, at which point those remaining (apparently including the heirs to the fortunes of those driving this bus) will all live in a "utopian society".

Targeted sterilisation
Wars
No cures for diseases
Sexually transmitted diseases
Environmental manipulation
Abortions
Genetically modified organisms
Same sex relationships
The food supply
Transhumanism

expose-news.com/2023/07/26/us-gov-policy-to-depopulate-the-world/

Conspiracy .........hardly.

johnny reb
28 Jul 2023  #10,529

Anthony Fauci is behind Covid origins disinformation, evidence suggests.
Put that scum bag in prison where he belongs.

johnny reb
28 Jul 2023  #10,530

The US has created a permanent new pandemic agency called the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy in anticipation of future pandemics and the Decade of Vaccines.

It's all about depopulation people.


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