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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



Crow
30 Aug 2016  #3,641

Has the world quietly accepted Putin's illegal Crimean rerun of Hitler's Anschluß?

Its not that. Its within Slavic world. Its internal Slavic thing. i deliberately refuse to talk of it in terms of `so called western` definitions and comprehension. `Hitler's Anschluß` was part of Drang Nach Osten. Germanics desired something what never belonged to them, seeking ``final`` solution for all Slavs- ie death and assimilation. Crimea was always Russian and its fine that stay Russian. That especially in situation when Ukrainians just need to complete their path to become unique nation.

What are the chances of the peninsula being returned to Ukraine?

When Ukrainians define itself as unique nation, they would sit with Russians, Poles and Serbians and define borders of Ukraine. For sure, they don`t need what don`t belong to them.

Will the Rooskies pull ever their troops and lethal hardware out of Donbas?

i suppose answer on this question depend on answers for previous two.

What would have to happen for that to be the case?

Again, we need answers on previous questions.
Polonius3
30 Aug 2016  #3,642

Crimea was always Russian

Wrong. Crimea had been Tartar, but was invaded and occupied by Russia. Stalin actually tried to bodily remove the Crimean Tatars to anotehr region. Some of them have returned.

Besides, Russia has too much territory as it is, all conquered by attacking and subjugating smaller nations. If they had a drop of honour, when they illegally annexed Crimea they would have at least offered an equivalent amount of Russian territory in exchange. No wonder our great president Reagan called the USSR "the Evil empire", And the tsars were no better. Russia has always been the prison of nations.
Crow
31 Aug 2016  #3,643

Wrong.

you are wrong. Crimea was always part of Sarmatia Asiatica (ie Slavic). Tatars there happened later when native Slavs were weak.

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Crimea had been Tartar, but was invaded and occupied by Russia.

What i know, Tatars took Islam and sided with the Turks what made Crime legitimate target for Russian Empire to return Crimea under the Sarmatian (ie Slavic) control.

Stalin actually tried to bodily remove the Crimean Tatars to anotehr region. Some of them have returned.

Stalin was slayer of Russians. He killed more of them then the plague. What you want to tell me? That he harmed other nations, too? Please

Besides, Russia has too much territory as it is, all conquered by attacking and subjugating smaller nations.

Lie. If there is historical justice, entire Europe, Anatolia, parts of Near East, all the way to Ind River... all would be Slavic. It was our land that was invaded with foreigners and foreign influences so that even many new peoples came out from our Slavic (ie Sarmatian) ancestors.

If somebody endanger Slavic world, any Slavic country, if capable, is obliged to return what was Slavic. So that our foes think twice or trice before endanger us again.

If they had a drop of honour, when they illegally annexed Crimea they would have at least offered an equivalent amount of Russian territory in exchange.

nonsense. Look what USA (Anglos) doing, China. All who can expand. Especially now when USA and NATO `world policeman` destroyed world order.

It was even idiotic from Russian Tzar to sell Alaska to USA.

No wonder our great president Reagan called the USSR "the Evil empire",

Reagan was senile actor. That`s what he was. He was talking in time when there was communism in Russia. What he didn`t told to the world is that USA isn`t light of freedom but just another fu**** around the corner.

And the tsars were no better. Russia has always been the prison of nations.

again nonsense.

What is this Poloniuse3, nonsenses has become your stile?
Polonius3
31 Aug 2016  #3,644

If somebody endanger Slavic world, any Slavic country

All pipedreams! What have you been smoking or snorting? What point in time do you want to return to? Should all nations follow your adivce? Hitler said what he was doing was to safeguard and develop the Germanic race?

Every country can remember when it was an empire or enjoyed a golden age There was even a Moravian and Bulgarian empire. Maybe Turkey should restore the Ottoman empire? The age of migrations, conquests, subjugations and mergers is now history. And nowhere is it said that Slavs are some "chosen people" or "Herrenvolk" entitled to reclaim any land they temporarily inhabtied in the distant past.
gregy741
31 Aug 2016  #3,645

entitled to reclaim any land they temporarily inhabtied in the distant past.

i tho you was the one saying that Crimea belong to tatars
Polonius3
31 Aug 2016  #3,646

Crimea belong to tatars

Well, the Tartars were there before being conquered by Modder Rasha!
gregy741
31 Aug 2016  #3,647

are they chosen people? i tho tatars conquered crimea from slavs before.and Crimea was greek even earlier,and belonged to scythians.krughans ect.
.so..are tatars chosen people?
if crimea belong to tatars,what about kosovo then?
Polonius3
31 Aug 2016  #3,648

scythians

The Romans had a word for such discourse: ad absurdam. All kinds of Huns, Goths, Scythians, Celts and God knows who all had roamed the known world, conquered and were defeated, inter-bred, moved on, often came back and left again... How does that authorise any current nation to claim land their distant ancestors had inhabited back in the murky mists of time? Our Serbian Crow constantly suggests that Slavdom is some privileged caste or chosen race not bound by the rules and laws of ordinary mortals.
gregy741
31 Aug 2016  #3,649

How does that authorise any current nation to claim land their distant ancestors had

in my book they have more authority over this land than your fkin victoria nulland and co.
no..russian live and dwell in crimea for centuries.its not some"distant ancestors" had in"murky mist of time" its tatars who conquered this peninsula by terror,and terrorised neighbours around. and abandoned it as soon as russians said "enough is enough"

tatars have not got any divine everlasting right to claim Crimea. they took it by force and by force they lost it.now need to focus on current reality

and reality is that Crimea is inhabited by Russian people.and only them should decide about their allegiance, loyalty and their future not some tatars or US department or some CIA
Crow
31 Aug 2016  #3,650

and Crimea was greek even earlier

pardon. Greeks themselves took it from Sarmatians. Greeks, it is known fact, originate from Thracians (ie Sarmatains, ie Proto Slavs). After all, what goes for all of Europe goes for Greeks, too. All are of Sarmatian (ie Slavic) origin, just, we who are Slavs today, we preserved original line of culture, language and ethnic designation throughout time.

scythians

Scythians is other name for Sarmatians but, particularly nomadic Sarmatians. So, they were branch of Sarmats. Inhabitants of Sarmatia Asiatica.
gregy741
31 Aug 2016  #3,651

Scythians is other name for Sarmatians but, particularly nomadic Sarmatians. So, they were branch of Sarmats. Inhabitants of Sarmatia Asiatica.

i tho sarmatians were western branch of scythians.where western part of scythia were of european completion(white.blond) while eastern scythians were kinda mongoloid(khazars)
Crow
31 Aug 2016  #3,652

i tho sarmatians were western branch of scythians.

no. All sources, ancient records and new interpretations, speak of Scythians as of eastern most branch of Sarmatians. Even Rg Vedic data about Buddha speak of him as of white and Scythian. i never encountered data on any racial differences between Scythians and other Sarmatians. Its even illogical that they were racially different. Think, in ancient time, our ancestors lived in two main ways of life- sedentary or nomad, or even both. So, one tribe would live sedentary in some area and from time to time area was visited by nomads. For both- particular area was considered to be ancestral land. Just way of life dictated use of land. People was racially same. Aware of their shared ancestry and culture. Sure, they were aware of differences of their ways of life. They intermarried, Gods were same, there were old alliances but true, also old tribal/civil wars. There were no clear borders between sedentary and nomadic people- our ancestors. Borders came later, artificially.

Also, by the old data we see that Celts were also considered to be Scythians. When founded data on that i sow that its no coincidence that in Serbian language word Skit (Scythian) means one who is `nomad, sundowner, wanderer`, what are all again synonyms with word `Selt` (Celt).

By the newest data, Slavic (ie Sarmatian/Scythian) population of today`s Russia, originate from back in past Slavic population that inhabited today`s Poland. On the other side, Slavic population of Poland, dispersed there mainly along the Danube river after Ice age was finished, in long slow migrations of our ancestral population from Balkan (what was Ice age refugium). It is also true that Crime was Ice age refugium for our ancestors but simple, Balkan refugium had more direct aces to European network of rivers, thanks to Danube, Drina, Morava, Tisa and Sava rivers. Thanks to Danube, main, backbone line for our Slavic (ie Western, ie Sarmatian, ie Thracian, ie Celtic, ie Gaul) civilization was formed, from Balkan to Baltic via Central Europe.

Even during Ice age our ancestors from Balkan and Crimea had mutual contacts along the shores of Black Sea. Just, back in those times Black Sea wasn`t sea but lake. Just 5000 years ago Black Sea was lake.

No wonder that history recorded that biggest Celtic tribe- Skordisci was founder of Serbian Capital Belgrade. At the same time, history recorded that biggest Thracian tribe- Tribali was situated in center of what are today`s Serbian lands. Thracians and Celts were in fact one and same people- Sarmatians (ie Proto Slavs, ie Slavs). Then again, no wonder that 17 Roman Emperors and 1 Caesar was born in what is today`s Serbia (Moesia Superior), when we know that at one period of history Romans practically established symbiotic relationship with Sarmatians, no matter all mutual hostility.
gregy741
31 Aug 2016  #3,653

. i never encountered data on any racial differences between Scythians and other Sarmatians. Its evenillogical that they were racially different.

i dunno..i mean scythia was very large in terms of territory.it would be logical to assum that there were different ethnic group.
take khazars for example,khzar empire emerged after collapse of scythia and constituted former territory of east scythia,and they were not slavs but turkish

unless they were some sort of later settlers.
hard to learn about ethnic make up of scythia ,cus very little data available.
i know some dna tests were made in Russia ,of Scythian nobelman.and it appears to be of slavic genotype.
Crow
31 Aug 2016  #3,654

How i comprehend situation, our ancestors lived as one people- in nomadic and sedentary ways of life, with different dialects and sub-cultural differences, on intercontinental level for very long period of time, from what is now Scotland via entire Europe and Eurasia to Asia and Africa. Considering term `intercontinental`, there must been some sort of sub-racial variations but still they were of same race.

Now, what were Whites of ancient time those were Sarmatians (ie Proto Slavs, Slavs). They shared world with Yellow and Black people. Semites (let`s take Turks for example) must have been variation, result of racial mixing between Whites and Blacks, while Khazars and also for example Tatars must have been mix between Whites and Yellow people. Entirely new peoples were formed as result of encounters of ancient white, yellow and black peoples (tribes). Then also, entirely new peoples were created just thanks to cultural influences that these races shared.... Egyptians, Romans, Romano-Brits, Anglos, Hungarians, Balts, Germanics, etc, etc.

We all share this world but, if for anything then just for the matter of the scientific truth (there is no progress in lie), we must be able to admit what is our shared history.
Polonius3
31 Aug 2016  #3,655

scientific truth

The scientific truth or more precisely your hobbyhorse is that you advocate a Greater Serbia, just like the Kossovars are advocates of a Greater Albania and Hitler advocated the 1000-year German Reich. What does that or your historical review have to do with 2016? According to your logic, since Slavs evolved from Iranians, Iran should take over all Slavic countries and maybe neighbouring nations as well. Except for one small thing -- nowadays Iranians are mostly Muslim.
Crow
31 Aug 2016  #3,656

Polonius3

i see clearly now. You are crazy. Its because you remind me on one of my former girls. i talk about nice weather and she reply- yes, no mosquitoes. You are similar. i talk about classical antiquity of Slavic (ie Sarmatian) civilization, you speak about Greater Serbia and about Slavs (ie Sarmatians) being Iranians.

So, you aren`t just wrong. You are crazy. Your mind is flat like a plank. Horrible, horrible. Talking to you is truly horrible.

UKRAINE CRISIS...

But we talk about Ukraine. That Polonius3 state that are Ukrainians, being Slavs (ie Sarmatians), actually Iranians. What i know ethnic Ukrainians don`t have problems with their Slavic roots and their Sarmatian meta-ethnicity (only banderists are pro-Germanic). They just want to exist as unique nation, or to say people. As Ukrainians, not Russians, not Poles. And its fine with me. Now, just to settle border between Ukraine-Russia and Ukraine-Poland, considering that first time in history, Ukrainian ethos, absolutely rightfully, forming its ethnic Ukrainian state.
Polonius3
1 Sep 2016  #3,657

actually Iranians

All Slavic languages evolved from from the old Iranian (Persian) language. Like Old Persian, the Slavic tongues belong to the satem group (for the way they say 100 - sto), whilst the romance languages use cent, centum, cento, etc. To this day display many similarities in vocabualry: baga (bóg), raj (raj), tapara (topór) even gupanu (master in Old Persian) evolved into Old Czech hpan and Polish pan.

Note the distance between baga and Theos, Deus, Dieu, Gott and God. Same with axe (Slavic topór) - Axt in German, hache in French. As for lord, sir, sire we get Dominus, Don, Herr - not even close to the Old Persian source.
peterweg
1 Sep 2016  #3,658

Crimea is Ukraine.
Crow
1 Sep 2016  #3,659

My dear Poloniuse3, virtual friend. You still insist to prove that Ukrainians aren`t Slavs? That we Slavs speak thanks to Iranians, who themselves originate from old Persians (Pe-rsians), whom come to existence on Sarmatian (ie Slavic) ground, thanks to the foreign influences on Sarmatians- story that was repeated later in Greeks, Romans, Anglos, Germanics, Romanics, etc...

Spot this >>> I`ll show you how things stand with Serbian and Sanskrit languages, considering that by linguistic experts Serbian stand as central Slavic language. Sanskrit is ancient language that was in use some 3000 years ago by creators of Rg Veda`s manuscripts; language, as Hindu themselves admits was created under the influence of white invaders/hiperboreans. As you know Buddha was white and Scythian (ie Sarmatian, ie Slavic, ie Aryan). When described Scythians in time when they invaded-crossed the Ind river, Hindu admits that Scythians were much more advances then native Hindu, that Hindu learned a lot of from invaders. Under the Scythian influence ruling caste in India was formed- Brahman caste.

Sanskrit - Serbian

(word Sanskrit itself in Serbian has exact meaning > San skrit = Eng. Hiden dream; also)

Agan - oganj (fire);
bagas - bog (god);
brath - brat (brather);
bhala - bela (white);
budh - buđenja(awaken);
chata - ceta (platoon);
chatvaari - četvrti (fourth) (four)
deti - dete (child);
div - div (grand);
dhr - drží (carry)
dina - dan (day);
dasha - deset (ten);
dama - dom (home);
dvi - dva (two);
girya - gora (mountain);
grad - grad (city);
iskra - iskra (spark);
kada - kada (when);
kuta - Kuća (house);
lip - lep (pretty);
lot - ljut (angry);
laghi - laki, lagan (light);
ljubhva - ljubav (love);
matr - mater (mother);
mala - mali (little);
more - more (sea);
mil - mili (dear);
muush - miš (mouse);
nabas - nebo (sky);
nava - novi (new);
naham - nisam (I am not);
paraha - prah (dust);
prati - protiv (against);
pancha -pet (five);
pena - pena (bubbles);
rabh - rob (slave);
rosa - rosa (dune);
sa - so (salt);
sila - sila (might,force);
sas/ShaTa - šest(six);
stan - stan (lives there);
sabha - soba (room);
stala - stol/astal (table);
tata - tata (dad);
ta - taj (that person);
tvar - stvar (thing);
trassti - tresti (shake);
trang - trag (track);
tamas - tama (dark);
tri - tri (three);
triydosa - trinaest (thirteen);
tada - tada (then);
vrt - vrt (garden);
vicur - večer (evening);
vi - vi (you);
vas - vas (you);
vatara - vatra (fire);
viva - živa (alive)

Words relating to family relations that are absolutely identical:

tata (dad),
nana (granny),
brat (brother),
sestra (sister),
strina (aunt),
svekar (father in law),
svekrva (mother in law),
dever (brother in law),
kum (god father),
svastika (sister in law),
prija (son in law's mother)

Crimea is Ukraine.

its not impossible if that`s the deal with the Russians.
peterweg
1 Sep 2016  #3,660

Two ways to deal with the Russians.

Tell them to F*** off
or
Kill them.

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