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AdrianK9
11 May 2016  #2,421

As well as give totally erroneous numbers of mythical Ukrainians who magically live here according to your "research."

What are you talking about - I've admitted that there's a good amount of Ukrainians that work here - the permanent residents are significantly smaller. The sources that I am using: Marta Jaroszewicz, a migration expert at the Centre For Eastern Studies (OSW), an independent Warsaw thinktank funded by the Polish government. She estimates that there are now 300,000-400,000 Ukrainians in Poland, as many as twice the officially recognised number.

Same source I listed earlier -
theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/ukraines-refugees-find-solace-in-poland-europes-most-homogenous-society
en.europeinsight.net/polish-business-calls-for-residence-permits-to-ukrainian-immigrants

So what was your joke about 200 dollars to make customs look the other way?

I know - that's why I said in the case a border guard you didn't need connections to drive through the border with a trunk full of western goods under Communism. The only reason we even had dollars is because my parents, especially my mom, spent a considerable amount of time in the US.

dangers of "darkies" and "terrorists" when discussing how Poland is going to fill the population voi

Polish people aren't going to go extinct first off. There's more than enough young people that are eager to stay in the country and build it up. We don't need to import 3rd world diseased scum. Plus, we have Ukranians that have occupied low skilled, low paying jobs. I haven't seen the Muslim hordes contributing to any European country yet - all I see is them turning cities into semi autonomous sharia zones, committing crimes, dealing drugs, raping women and even children, assaulting non-Muslims and demanding that the culture be changed to accommodate their views that crosses and skirts on high school girls are offensive... Earlier people challenged me when I said that hotels and apartments were confiscated by the German government to be turned into migrant shelters and I have clearly used sources to demonstrate that this is fact and reality.

Levi my middle name starts with 'M' but I highly doubt you know me.

It makes no sense whatsoever to complain about a rapidly changing world. Only old farts who live in the past do that.

I totally agree - but it doesn't mean we should also import things like Muslim economic migrants, GMO foods, and lobbyists. Polish society ought to decide what it wants and doesn't want for its own people - yes there will be good with the bad. Under Communism, there was little drug use - now it's pretty common in Poland. However, that's often the price of an open society and it's something you can't really prevent from coming in. However, Poland can take preventative measures to not have the same kind of issues facing Germany, France, Belgium, etc. while still having an open society and an internationally competitive economy. I just don't want my country to become like the US and have lobbyists running the country or like France, Belgium, Germany etc. where beautiful neighborhoods have been turned into Muslim ghettos and women can't even go to a concert on New Year's without being fondled.
TheOther
11 May 2016  #2,422

...it doesn't mean we should also import things like ... GMO foods, and lobbyists

Those are of course political decisions, that might make sense under certain circumstances or not. Poland is an EU member though, so it cannot decide alone in many cases.

Muslim economic migrants

What do you think about Muslims who are born in the EU and are citizens of a member state? You cannot prevent them from moving to Poland and settling there. And as Molenbeek has shown us, there are quite a few radicalized folks among them. So do you want to block Muslim Brits or French for example from entering Poland? If that's the plan, Poland would have to leave the EU.
AdrianK9
12 May 2016  #2,423

Muslims from the west don't really come to Poland. Poland is being depicted as this crazy national a list xountry, even by clowns like Bono, because the west wants Poland to adapt to their version of liberal democracy. That's why there's all this attack in the media on Poland. Many people though are very supportive of the Visegard 4s policies as they pertain to the migrant crisis. Many in western Europe say they wish their leaders acted the same way and wouldn't of allowed Europe to be flooded. Look for example how popular AfD has become all of a sudden.
TheOther
12 May 2016  #2,424

There's certainly a move to the far right in Europe at the moment, and the established politicians are to blame for the current situation. Let's wait and see what the Brits will do on June 23rd. I wouldn't be surprised if the Germans will be the next ones to leave next year.
Szalawa
13 May 2016  #2,425

I feel as it is more of a movement away from the far left and more of a movement to the center, but I suppose it is all about perspective.
jon357
13 May 2016  #2,426

There's certainly a move to the far right in Europe at the moment, and the established politicians are to blame for the current situation

Them and the media, whipping issues that inflame the stupid into something bigger than they are. The last UK election results from Thursday show that there isn't any far-right resurgence there and elsewhere in Europe, splitting the conservative vote can only be good for the political centre left.
Crow
13 May 2016  #2,427

Western Europe wants to change Poland, to make Poland in accordance with their interests and, for that western Europe needs new settlers in Poland. Simple, western European magnates and part of public don`t like Poles and even hate them. That is why pressure on Poland to accept great number of refugees. Actually, when one look at historical perspective, western Europeans never loved Poles but hated them.
TheOther
13 May 2016  #2,428

Them and the media

Of course.

whipping issues that inflame the stupid into something bigger than they are

Unfortunately.

Western Europe wants to change Poland

Does Poland want to be part of the west or not, that's the question.
nothanks
13 May 2016  #2,429

No. We want to be a mixture of both
delphiandomine
13 May 2016  #2,430

No, we really don't. The majority of Poles experienced what East has to offer and they don't want it back.

The only people that want Poland to be in the Russian sphere of orbit are traitors.
gregy741
13 May 2016  #2,431

Does Poland want to be part of the west or not, that's the question.

yea..but not the "west" of unelected,libtard,leftist eu commission bureaucrat euroeunuchs.
its not the west wants to change Poland...its some euroidiots from eurokolchoz institution
to them,we show middle finger
TheOther
14 May 2016  #2,432

yea..but not the "west" of unelected,libtard,leftist eu commission bureaucrat euroeunuchs.

Okay, but what is your understanding of "The West" then? The UK only - outside the EU, I mean? The US? Australia? What are the idealistic ideas that Poland wants to pick up, and from whom?

We want to be a mixture of both

Unfortunately, traditional values and predatory capitalism don't go together very well.
whocares
14 May 2016  #2,433

No. We want to be a mixture of both

As in both East and West? then sure. Poland needs to be Poland.

its not the west wants to change Poland...its some euroidiots from eurokolchoz institution to them,we show middle finger

Thats the dominating force in the West. Most of the west is now an abomination. Nothing like it used to be. If Poland stays with the current version of the West, it will become another Liberal infested, multicultaral, Muslim, LBGT, heartless country.
nothanks
14 May 2016  #2,434

Unfortunately, traditional values and predatory capitalism don't go together very well.

Germany was balancing well until the Migrant Crisis. [number of German residents with origins in Turkey] listed at 3.7%
TheOther
14 May 2016  #2,435

Germany was balancing well until the Migrant Crisis

Predatory capitalism US style has never gained a foothold in Germany. The Germans have something they call 'Social Market Economy".

Please focus on Poland
delphiandomine
19 May 2016  #2,436

Oh look, what a pleasant surprise :

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/253534,Poland-fairly-welcoming-to-refugees-report

53% of Poles would accept refugees in Poland. A majority.

Sorry Adrian, but your "facts" are simply not proven.
mafketis
20 May 2016  #2,437

53% of Poles would accept refugees in Poland. A majority.

I'm assuming this refers to refugees who have been properly vetted and not the recipients of Mama Merkel's "Come one, come all!" invitation or people sent by EU technocrats who want to micro-manage the internal workings of all member states.
nothanks
20 May 2016  #2,438

Them and the media, whipping issues that inflame the stupid into something bigger than they are.

If you want to argue Russia Today is whipping up issues sure. But then you have to admit Western media is COVERING UP. The situation is worse than we are being shown

LOL @ no resurgence in Europe
- Austria
- Switzerland
- Poland
- Hungary
- Denmark
- Slovakia
- Turkey

Up next
- Italy
- Greece

France & Germany?

How can someone with Internet access and countless posts on a message board be so ignorant with what is occuring? Please respond.
NikiLauda
21 May 2016  #2,439

Merged: Arab refugees attack a Pole and cut his neck in Germany

I strongly think that it is time to Poland have stronger border checks before all that start start to spill to Poland from Germany. Goerlitz, the site where this horrible crime happened, is just few kilometers from the border.

What will happen when there is no more germans to Kill, Assault and Rape? They will go to Poland.

IF they are not there yet.

Translation:

On Tuesday in Goerlitz on the Polish-German border a brutal attack happened. Two refugees from Syria seriously wounded in the neck a polish boy.

According to the newspaper Sächsische Zeitung, at the central shopping mall of Goerlitz there was a aggresion of two young syrians against a pole.

The polish youngster was attacked and wounded in the neck. They used blades and other artifacts. Witnesses alerted the police.

It is not known why asylum seekers have hurt the Pole, and what caused the conflict. German media did not reveal the details, it has been given only superficial information about the incident.

ndie.pl/polak-napadniety-syryjskich-azylantow-pocieli-mu-szyje/
Dougpol1
21 May 2016  #2,440

A lot of the refugees may well be highly qualified and educated people ...... these people could be an asset to Poland or wherever they end up.

Exactly. Malmo in Sweden seems happy with their Syrians. In the meantime, Gdynia, Poland's Malmo, still has communist era pavements throughout the city through lack of investment.

Which of the two is forward-looking?

theguardian.com/world/2016/may/21/malmo-syrian-refugees-new-life-sweden

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