Maf, as always, it depends on where you get your information. Local sources are known to be, shall we say, on the biased side:-) No different from here in the States, in fact. Perhaps things have changed in the South (though Chaney's mother publically stated that if so, then not by much) for instance, yet if an incidence of white-black rape comes up, guess which side the law's going to be on!
Even the likes of Morris Deeds can't change a leopard's spots.
Berlin unfortunately has had her spate of attacks on Turkish women, though not recently, I'm pleased to say, but again, as an act of revenge against alleged rape of German girls by Turkish male teens.
Ya can't make this stuff up, pal. We all wish this kind of thing weren't so,....but it is. The facts don't lie even when the news media may:-))
> Town of 7,000 in Pennsylvania, USA abruptly received 40 Roma/gypsy refugees
"The residents cited trash in yards, disruptions in town markets, children and men defecating in public streets, and immigrants cutting off the heads of chickens in public areas, according to a report by WTAE-TV. None of the immigrants, who are undocumented, have been charged with any other serious criminal offenses."
German youth in years past had been known to abuse Turkish teenage girls, and more than even several times.
We can both make claims.
Americans have been known to abuse Polish girls in the past.
This redirect on the thread was because Jon claimed someone had made nasty comments by saying that muslims have abused young white girls which is indeed fact and a well known news story here in the UK
muslims have abused young white girls which is indeed fact and a well known news story here in the UK
But none of the pro-diversity-for-its-own-sake want to realize that. The plain fact is that different cultures have very different value sets and not all cultural combinations work well (or can be made to work). The cultures of North Africa and the Middle East might have their virtues and many people there might be wonderful individuals but in large numbers they are incompatiable with.... just about everybody else. Large scale muslim immigration to Europe might be able to work with the attitudes in the 1950s and 60s but since then the Muslim world has been evolving away from the rest of the planet. Fine. That's their choice but it makes them (en masse) not very successful immigrants as they divert too much attention away from integration and into maintaining separation and trying to force local populations to respect their cultural norms - which ain't gonna happen.
which ain't gonna happen
It's already happening. Whether out of sincere respect (probably a small minority), fear or obsessive clinging to the tenets of the PC religion, it is Western elites, less so ordinary people, that have been bending over backwards to accommodate, indulge and do everything not to offend the misbehaving house guests. One PF poster not long ago ranted and swore up nad down that there were no no-go zones in Europe. Now the Muslim intruders themselves are waving placards calling for Shariah areas in their foreign countries of residence. Already, thank God, there are signs of change. Even many poltical elites are saying enough is enough. Italy is clearly fed up by the migrant onslaught and even Germany has started to crack down. The bottom line is that only 14,000 of the 160,000 refugees from Italy and Greece the EU wants to relocate have been relocated so far. Even Germany which sttted the whole mess has not met its quota. Brussels should first go after the ex-colonial countries that have a moral obligation to make amends.
It's already happening
Mafketis always speaks a lot of sense no this topic but I agree.....it is already happening.
I have seen first hand how it works. Muslims tend to ghetto-ise certain sections of a town or city. Then, when they have enough numbers, they either vote for a political party in the local election who is sympathetic to their culture i.e. a left wing party or a muslim candidate (who generally represents the left wing anyway).
Muslim roots become deeper as the years go by. The Left Wing party loves them as they are a guaranteed vote. The muslims don't split their vote like the rest of us-they typically will only vote for one party which is a powerful voting strategy in elections.
People seem to think that social change happens from a national, government level......it doesn't. It happens unnoticed at a small local level and then spreads. By the time it becomes an issue the government and public authorities are already having to switch into "reaction mode".
I have seen first hand how it works. Muslims tend to ghetto-ise certain sections of a town or city.
People are missing what I've written. I said they want non-Muslims to _respect_ Muslim norms. And that doesn't happen, even when liberals give in on lots of muslim special demands for special treatment there's no respect (it's humoring their silly beliefs) and that just exacerbates demands for more. It's a vicious circle.
Modern Eruopeans are not likely to respect muslim ideas about the strict segregation of men and women (for example), even if they play along at times they're liable to think it's silly and has nothing to do with true morality. The muslims pick up on that and so they demand more concessions.
Mainstream muslim and modern European cultures just do not go together anymore than marshmallows and gravel do. A few secularly oriented highly educated muslims can and do very well in Europe but that's not most of who's coming (also remember that immigration tends to strengthen religious observance in the immigrating community - and a constant stream of new arrivals maintains these heightened levels).
Has the label "refugee" ever had a more conflicting image or stature? [Roman Empire?] And more importantly will this growing caution or even resentment towards refugees be sustainable - I.E. people of adult age will forever be cautious of the "refugee/migrant scam"?
If so then this recent circus will have been worth it and Western Europe will survive. Or in 15+ years will we see regular folks again put their guard down.
Mark: actually leftist West and Islam is a perfect match. The left plays the role of naive host and slowly but surely integrates to the Muslims norms. Ultimately the left might want Muslims to integrate on some serious issues such as inbreeding and physical harm of Jews/gays BUT the rest is negotiable and in their mind "exotic diversity". Most of the left is okay with parallel societies so in that regard the relationship does work
Most of the left is okay with parallel societies so in that regard the relationship does work
How true !
Odd isn't it that the left are the guardians of minorities and tolerance for all yet the muslim "minority" that they so actively pander to are so intolerant of pretty much anyone who isn't a muslim (or female).
Ultimately the left might want Muslims to integrate on some serious issues
You've got it backwards. The left assumes that Muslims in the west really, really, really want to integrate but it's the mean non-leftists that are preventing it. The fact that muslim communities are mostly apathetic and uninteresed in western culture and more interested in getting people to adopt their standards rather than vice versa is thoughtcrime that they don't allow themselves