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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Gosc123456
17 Jun 2015  #21

@Levi: EU has studied each member country's situation before deciding how many refugees per country. Why should other countries, some of them smaller and poorer than Poland should get refugees whereas Poland should be free to decide? Poland is no.1 reciepient of EU funds and therefore should feel a moral debt towards the EU. Should the EU stop paying Poland, Poland would collapse so Poland shall do as being told. Poland is too weak to dictate its will.

Is it fair that Italy and Greece, because closest countries to African coast; bear the biggest burden? Is it also fair that Germany, France and England have to accept the biggest numbers of refugees? IF EU let refugees to Europe, all EU members should share the burden. Poland is not "more equal" than the others ;)
tictactoe
17 Jun 2015  #22

Poland will do as it is told. It can't export its unemployed, argue that it should receive benefit payments from other EU countries and be the biggest financial gainer from the EU yet want to stay little Poland with it's little Polanders.

If the EU foolishly decide to give these economic migrants refugee and a better life. Poland like other EU countries will accept them, place them, and give them what they require.
Gosc123456
17 Jun 2015  #23

@Tictactoe: of course, Poland shall do as being told, Poland is too weak to dictate anything.
wjtk
17 Jun 2015  #24

Keep dreamig people, Poland will not accept any illegal immigrants and it was clearly stated by our governmant. Same was declared by Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary, Spain, UK. France is also in opposition, aswell as few other EU states. European Comission in order to force Poland to accept illegals needs unanimous acceptation from European Counil and it won't get it because plenty of countries, including Poland will say ,,no".

Poland is the no.1 EU funds' receipient but of course does not give a sh... about countries such as Greece and Italy, which bear most of the burden.

Just like Greece and Italy didn't give a sh... when we needed support in our policy toward Russia. This 2 countries for their own selfish interest were first in line to sabotage every significant Polish initiative. I also hardly believe any of them would help us if Poland was flooded by tens of thousands Ukrainian refugees.

Instead of whining learn to protect your freakin borders.
brahmin
17 Jun 2015  #25

Btw, doesn't Poland receive immigrants from Ukraine?
Gosc123456
17 Jun 2015  #26

@Brahmin; The Ukrainians who are in Poland don't get any handout from Poland, they simply work and are on their own. My cleaning lady is among them. They are "accepted" to work as "gastarbeiter" and no more.
brahmin
17 Jun 2015  #27

But they could be counted against "Poland's share", so there would be no need discussing bringing to Poland immigrants from Africa.
Gosc123456
17 Jun 2015  #28

@Brahmin; in such case, England, Germany, France, Sweden, the Netherlands... shall claim they have accepted tens of millions of immigrants. I have read that these 5 countries have aready accepted 75% of the refugees over the past few years.
Levi
17 Jun 2015  #29

"I have read that these 5 countries have aready accepted 75% of the refugees over the past few years."

Yes. Because they are the ones that are stimulating mass immjgrants from Africa.
On the other hand, why Poland should be blamed about the conflicts in middle east?

"Could you please explain which Polish law they have broken. Thank you in advance."

The basic requirements for permanent residency?

"Also, not all Poles that lived or continue to live in Syria are Jewish. "

Most of those relocated in Syria post-independence were Jews. But i never said the word all.

"That is incorrect and shows that you know NOTHING about the situation in Syria other than what you hear and repeat from Islamophobic media."

I live less than 800 km from Syria and i know more syrians than you will see in your entire life.

"The vast majority of the victims of the conflict in Syria are in fact "Sunni" Syrians, and the vast majority of them were killed by the actions of the regime of Bashar Al Asad,"

Those so called victi.s tried to overthrow the president violently by exploding supermarkers, groceries and hospitals. Those so called sunni victims attacked shia mosques and christian churches. How nice of those "victims".

Please use the quote button instead of inverted commas
Jacek6
17 Jun 2015  #30

One question-What good would it do to let these muslims in Poland? I mean , I know they have contributed to the growth in England, Germany and other Western countires, these countires anve flourished under islamic influence......
Gosc123456
18 Jun 2015  #31

@Jacek: it's just like taxpayers from Western Europe who can ask themselves what the benefit for them to sponsorize Poland is. ;)
Levi
18 Jun 2015  #32

@Jacek: Without the need to be politically correct (hopefully Poland is not into Political Correctness dictatorship yet), there would be no good, Jacek.

Legal Immigrant Muslims is ok... (as any other kind of legal immigrant), as long as they dont demand people to convert or their rules to be applied in Poland, like they do in Christian countries like Philippines.

But Illegal immigrants are a much more, extremely serious and complicated issue.

@Gosc: Silly comparison. Poles go to work abroad to have a better life and contribute to the economy They dont go to live in Welfare FUNDED BY THE TAXPAYER and try to impose their religion.

And by the way, Ramadan Kareem for you all.
wjtk
18 Jun 2015  #33

@Gosc123456 - Free access to massive Polish market , easy investments, not to mention that large sums of EU funds are going back to Germany/France/UK via contracts with western companies.

Seriously, stop crying about that EU funds becase:
a) they are very small in comparing to Polish budget. What we actually get each year is something like 5% of our yearly spendings.
b) often they are spend on meaningless, useless investments.
Also Polan IS NOT depended from EU funds. Army, administration, health care, social security etc. are payed with Polish taxpayers money alone, not with EU money. Without EU money some investments (highways etc.) in Poland would have advanced a bit slower, but generally Poland would be doing very well aswell. Poland had been developing very well even before we jointed EU, certainly much faster.

Not to mention that to use EU funds effectively we have to take a lot of loans (because for example EU will pay for 40% of investment), because at some point we didn't have enough money to contribute. All of that results in very uneffective budget planning, reckless spendings etc.

Latest running meme in Poland is: ,,since we are in EU in typical Polish city due to EU regulations two fabrics gone bankrupt, most of local shopowners gone bankrupt, energy prices went up drasticly, 5% of local population emigrated,. In exchange EU built 10 km of sidewalk, 50 km or roads, one aquapark and museum of modern art. **** yeah."
Harry
18 Jun 2015  #34

The basic requirements for permanent residency?

No. People who get into boats in Libya and head towards Italy before being picked up at sea most certainly have not broken any Polish law at all. They would not be illegal immigrants here and are not illegal immigrants in Italy. You will be no better than them if you move to Poland.
Gosc123456
18 Jun 2015  #35

@Wjtv: I have asked about the TAXPAYERS not about those big companies which come to Poland because salaries are much lower and as a result make big unemployment in Western countries. Ask people! Taxpayers in said countries get nothing, they just pay (result: very powerful extreme right parties, today general election in Denmark and the extreme right is expected to make huge scores).

If you check in Poland, everything is financed by the EU funds (it is always indicated for each project). There is no way Polish sole taxpayers could have financed for instance Warsaw metro, the roads, the renovation and equipment of hospitals, the school equipment such as computers... If according to you, Polish could do without EU funds, why do Poland cry for funds and where does the money go to????

@Wjtk; if according to you, very little was built with EU money in Poland, where the hell did the money go? It high time to demand Polish politicians to justify.
Polsyr
18 Jun 2015  #36

@gosc; this is typical ultranationalist and anti-EU talk, could very well be copy paste from one of their sites. They throw these arbitrary numbers but they never say where they got them from. Also, they seem to think that balancing the Polish budget is like buying groceries or something, and "only 5%" is easy to manage from somewhere else. Total ignorance fueled by increasingly aggressive far right media these days.

To be on topic, the Polish gov is resisting the quota proposal, but I see this simply as an act to appeal to uneducated and conservative voters.
Levi
18 Jun 2015  #37

You are talking bollocks harry.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS also broke the Polish law. Specially the entire chapter 3 of the new immigration law published in 2013.

When a immigrant in Poland without have been considered legally a asylum provided refugee from UE or Republic of Poland, he is disrespecting the ENTIRE chapter.

He is committing a crime against the constitution.

And the UE, according to the votation of the last general meeting WILL NOT PROVIDE asylum status to the 160 000 illegals that invaded Europe through Mediterranean.

FORTUNATELY the serious eastern European countries voted against this absurd suggested by socialists of repopulate Europe with people that enter Europe committing a crime.
Dougpol1
18 Jun 2015  #38

Without EU money some investments (highways etc.) in Poland would have advanced a bit slower

Can you qualify the adjective "bit"?

Without EU money Poland would still be eating perogi for lunch and supper and the girls would still have hair all over their legs.

In other words - the country would still be a backward non-entity.
Gosc123456
18 Jun 2015  #39

@Dougpol: true but Poles don't want to admit it. Without EU, Poland would be like Moldavia.
wjtk
18 Jun 2015  #40

@gosc; this is typical ultranationalist and anti-EU talk, could very well be copy paste from one of their sites. They throw these arbitrary numbers but they never say where they got them from. Also, they seem to think that balancing the Polish budget is like buying groceries or something, and "only 5%" is easy to manage from somewhere else. Total ignorance fueled by increasingly aggressive far right media these days.

To be on topic, the Polish gov is resisting the quota proposal, but I see this simply as an act to appeal to uneducated and conservative voters.

,,far-right, ultranationalistic, uneducated". What a primitive post, do you really think that such pathetic insults makes any impression on me? And who do you think you are to judge me or say who i am? I know it may work in Wester Europe but overhere people are much more independend in their opinions and you cannot simply silence someone by using key-words like ,,far-right, racism" etc.

Like it or not, most of Poles are against accepting illegals - no matter what age they are, what's their profession. It doesn't suprise me, too many of them saw western europe, too many of them know what's economic and social price of such reckless policy.

Without EU money Poland would still be eating perogi for lunch and supper and the girls would still have hair all over their legs.

In other words - the country would still be a backward non-entity.

true but Poles don't want to admit it. Without EU, Poland would be like Moldavia.

Poor souls, fed up with propaganda. Poland entered EU in 2004 and it was already well developed country, with massive economy growth (much higher than today), which easily multiplied its GDP in time period 1989-2004 (we didn't need EU for that). Even without EU we would continue to rise, develop and get richer and richer, just like we did earlier without the EU.

Plenty of countires around the world are developing without the EU or natural resources. How narrow-minded you have to be to think that there is no growth without the EU.

The only EU benefit i would not underestimate is free trade and free flow of services.

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