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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Levi
24 Nov 2015  #1,761

A truly liberal and tolerant country would turn the other cheek and allow every minority the right to live according to their own culture but we've seen how that ends up already in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany etc so perhaps tolerance and liberty are not always the ideal we should be pursuing ?

I Agree.

The ideals of tolerance and political correctness showed to be a failure.

Look what kind of mess it had created!

As Nicolas Sarkozy said, it is time that we move from "Tolerance of minorities" to "Assimilation of minorities".

The minorities should be respected, but as long as they accept the Polish Culture as the dominant one in Poland (what should be more than OBVIOUS, but apparently for them are not).

Delph is the least charismatic from them 3 he even tries to compose sentences like them, a bit from jon, a bit from Harold, that's delph, he wouldn't exist on his own.

I had the same impression.

Those 3 (plus InPolska) repeat all the time their wishful thinking of a Multiculturalist Poland that actually doesn't exist in reality (and should NOT, even because multiculturalism is a lie).

But for some reason they are trying to convince themselves of it.
Harry
24 Nov 2015  #1,762

The minorities should be respected, but as long as they accept the Polish Culture as the dominant one in Poland

And also as long as they respect Polish law. I am very much opposed to letting criminals who do not respect Polish law to even enter Poland, let alone to reside here. What do you think about letting foreign criminals enter Poland, Levi?
dolnoslask
24 Nov 2015  #1,763

How can you even check a Syrian Migrants criminal record or passport details, I think the Syrian authorities have other priorities at the moment
Levi
24 Nov 2015  #1,764

Actually almost all illegal immigrants destroy their documents prior to arrival in Europe, so they can clain that they are persecuted syrians, while actually many of them never had been in Syria but are rather from Afhganistan, Sudan, Somalia, etc.

Or those that are from Syria but actually with terror links.
dolnoslask
24 Nov 2015  #1,765

Yep no documents should = no right of entry,

documentation centers should be setup in the camps of origin.
Ktos
24 Nov 2015  #1,766

But the Marches are necessary so the party see that they have support of the Population against the Islamization project of Angela Merkel.

Exactly! We need to show our support and this is the best way to do it, I urge all Polish people to support those marches, we need to show our solidarity through acts not just words.
delphiandomine
24 Nov 2015  #1,767

Personally, I would strongly suggest looking at non-EU migrants and their sources of funding. Someone from a non-EU country with a bank balance inflated by working in places such as Saudi Arabia (a well known funder of terrorism) should be immediately disqualified from entering the EU until they prove beyond doubt that the money was earnt through working in a legitimate way. What about that, Levi?
dolnoslask
24 Nov 2015  #1,768

To be fair to the Saudi's they are offering to build 2000 mosques in Germany.
Ironside
24 Nov 2015  #1,769

Latest poll in Poland:
Should Poland accept refugees :
- 47,8 Nay
- 29,5 Yes
- 22,7 - don't know?
mafketis
24 Nov 2015  #1,770

That seems _way_ too high for "yes". I haven't talked to a single person that thinks it's a good idea (which makes sense since it's a terrible idea). I would expect the numbers to be more 70 no, 10 yes and 20 don't know.

There are some issues that poll better than they do in the voting booth and I suspect this is one, unless they're being cynical like me and thinking: Yeah, accept them all, they'll just head off to Germany as soon as they can (which they will, even if the mini-Schengen deal without Poland passes - these people have already proven they have nothing but contempt for borders and rule of law).
Dougpol1
24 Nov 2015  #1,771

I haven't talked to a single person that thinks it's a good idea (which makes sense since it's a terrible idea)

Of course not. Neither have I. Who is going to say "Oh, Syrian refugees! Goody!?
But that's not the real point is it?

If you phrase the question differently and ask: Should Poland be meeting its' responsibilities (as agreed in European session) as a modern EU state, and caring about others less fortunate than itself (harking back to 1939...)?...... then you get the real answer (from respectable people, that is).
Ironside
24 Nov 2015  #1,772

That seems _way_ too high for "yes".

There is always a question of the reliability of polls. This is what I have found online so far,.
If I were about to guess as what Poles think about letting refugees in, today, I would say:
80% - no way
10% yes
10% Sir, I don't care one way or the other

Should Poland be meeting its' responsibilities (as agreed in European session) as a modern EU state, and caring about others less fortunate than itself (harking back to 1939...)?...... then you get the real answer (from respectable

Kopacz has no right to agree on anything before election. Why 1939?
Dougpol1
24 Nov 2015  #1,773

If I were about to guess

But your guess is of no import Ironside. The country's diplomats' honour to their country to abide by their word is.
otherwise said country loses respect in the community, as it did last time.

80 per cent not bothered about self-respect, would you "guess"?

Why 1939?

I believe that was when the exodus through Romania to Syria and the Middle East took place....? Of course I will stand corrected.
Ironside
24 Nov 2015  #1,774

The country's diplomats' honour

Their job is to defend country's interest and to respect the will of the nation. If you have strong economy, nuclear weapon and little to none disloyal minorities, you don't a lot of respect goes your way anyway.
mafketis
24 Nov 2015  #1,775

Should Poland be meeting its' responsibilities (as agreed in European session) as a modern EU state

This does not mean "blindly following the policy of one person (A. Merkel) who did not consult a single other European leader before beginning her mad campaign.

The old Polish idea "Nic o nas bez nas" is fully appropriate here.
Had there been a summit in the first place then that would be a different issue, but there wasn't just one woman's inexplicable desire to plunge the continent into chaos while mucking around with other countries' borders (an unstoppable obsession for German governments it appears....).

Poland is under no moral obligation to follow Merkel's lead.
Ironside
24 Nov 2015  #1,776

believe that was when the exodus through Romania to Syria and the Middle East took place...

People, soldiers who wanted to continue fighting arm to arm with their "allies" against common enemy. They didn't ask for hand-outs and they didn't get any.

You are delusional if you are compering those ramshackle of illegal immigrants from half the globe with 1939.
Dougpol1
24 Nov 2015  #1,777

Poland is under no moral obligation to follow Merkel's lead.

So - let's get this straight. Did Poland sign up to the principle of taking those 7,000 refugees, or didn't you?

Do you trust a friend again after they lie to you about what is a big deal? Except for some people it is not a big deal, because obviously they have forgotten what we are all here for, in spite of (or maybe because of) their catholic bashing upbringing.
Ironside
24 Nov 2015  #1,778

Did Poland sign up to the principle of taking those 7,000 refugees, or didn't you?

So did Denmark but after Paris circumstances changed and Denmark no longer feels to stand by that agreement. What's good for a goose ..
mafketis
24 Nov 2015  #1,779

. Did Poland sign up to the principle of taking those 7,000 refugees, or didn't you?

Did it?

Then by all means bring them all in and start the countdown clock as they begin their cannonball run back to Germany. We could make it into a reality show with the losers having to stay in Poland.... The whole thing is just Kabuki to try to salvage Merkel's image "See I've dispersed them across Europe!" If the Germans aren't smart enough to get her out of office by Christmas then they deserve what they get which will be Molenbeekland uber alles.
Harry
24 Nov 2015  #1,780

harking back to 1939

Very shortly after that year tens of thousands of Poles found safety in the refugee camps of the near east.

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