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johnny reb
20 Oct 2017  #28,561

Now Atch, have you decided to show your index cards to the forum?

Good one Ziemo...........real good one.
I have them too just so I can poke fun back at people.

Ziem might be willing to take that on as he's a dab hand at index cards

But Ziemusz don't be too hasty, maybe it's time to pass on your beloved index cards to a new generation,
To answer that, I'd have to ask Ziemowit for a loan of his index cards.
Your famous index cards.....actually I know you're not an obsessive information gatherer.
It's quite easy to figure it out from various personal information he's divulged in the past but you'd have to rummage through your index cards!

You should have been paying attention.....where are your index cards??
Ask Ziemowit to check his index cards.
Ziemowit is standing by with his index cards at the ready - don't disappoint him.
Most importantly, did you lend Wulkan your index cards?

Ha ha, what comes around goes around.
rozumiemnic
20 Oct 2017  #28,562

Index cards? how lo - tech, I have a spreadsheet...
johnny reb
20 Oct 2017  #28,563

PM me what you have on me.
Doubtfully much as dull as I am.
dolnoslask
20 Oct 2017  #28,564

They are mostly either used to get into, e.g. a bank at entry level, or are taken part time by middle managers wishing to become higher middle managers

Thats what I thought, I took the bottom up route rather than serve an extra maybe five years in school/uni , at least it got me a deposit for my first house, maybe thats why many kids seem to struggle to save money after wasting their time in higher education getting into debt, seems like anyone can get into a uni nowadays and party party, then moan about no work and debt, nobody seems to want to be a bricklayer plumber or electrician nowadays , what some do not realise is that self employed you can easily earn 60-90k per year if you have a trade, if you get a young apprentice to share the work 100k is more than realistic
Dirk diggler
20 Oct 2017  #28,565

go off topic Dirk...i just got a warning,...

same lol

he wants us all to know how smart he is Atch...

Really not true. I believe we are lifelong students and I frequently ask posters about things I am uncertain about, and I said something that wasn't correct I apologize and read what others have to say. In the case of above, this all started with Atch saying 'youre not really european' and other things a several weeks back along with explaining why I was unqualified to speak about the polish economy in the 90s.

thanks Dirk no I am not low level or unskilled, but when u have a family to support a mortgage to pay, then u cannot hold out too long for that ideal job.

Yeah I didn't mean you were and I wrote that I didn't mean to like offend you or anything it was just like something I noticed at corporations. You are absolutely right though - when you have a family and mortgage it difficult to hunt for a long time for the 'ldeal' job. I agree wholeheartedly. However, you can always take a crappy job to keep the money going and look for another job on your free time.

@dolnoslask
Absolutely man. The problem is that so many recent bachelor level grads have a hard time landing that first good paying job due to lack of experience. So its a sort of catch 22 - they can't get experience if they don't have a job but they can't get a job because they don't have relevant experience. I was lucky to

nobody seems to want to be a bricklayer plumber or electrician nowadays

100% AGREE! I was just reading an article about this specific thing. There is a HUGE need for blue collar jobs. Anyone who runs a construction, home remodeling, plumbing, etc. company will all tell you (at least in the US) that the hardest part of running the business is finding QUALIFIED and good employees for such jobs. The article went further into explaning how instead of college, a girl chose to become a plumber. Too many millennial find such work to be 'beneath them' and dirty work which they don't want to do. They think people who go for such jobs are 'dumber' than they are. Hence, the amount of people going into jobs like welding, plumbing, electrician, etc. are decreasing despite demand and wages increasing. That is why immigrants take these type of jobs - especially east Europeans and latinos. Every polish person in Chicago knows at least 1 other Pole who is a contractor/plumber/electrician/etc. Some of these jobs can easily make $25-$30 entry level, even $40-$60 an hour depending on the job, company, experience, etc. Jobs like underwater welding easily pay 6 figs.

My dad was a jeweler by trade in communism. When we went to the US, he was a jeweler for a short period of time. He became a construction worker and eventually founded his own lil firm. At the beginning, he was doing siding, roofs, and other entry level work for an inexperienced home remodeler type of guy. He was making like $100 a day which was great money back in the mid 90s. Slowly but surely he learned way more and now he and his few workers know everything required to build a house from the bottom up. The money is great. For example, lets say someone hires him to replace 12 windows in a house with standard vinyl double hung windows. He charges usually $300-$500 - more if it's old windows that contain lead paint because it requires a special license, more protective barriers and poly to prevent the lead dust from spreading, etc. Anyway, even with the figure of $300 a window x 12 windows that's $3,600. The windows material cost - windows, caulk, and paint run around $120 a window. He and 1 worker which hell pay maybe $200 cash for the day can easily finish this job in 8 hours. So if he charges the customer $3,600 - his costs of $1,640 (high estimate - $200 for the worker, $120 x 12 windows) = $1,960.... almost $2 grand in profit for just 1 day of work..
Dirk diggler
20 Oct 2017  #28,566

Index cards

Ask Ziemowit to check his index cards.

Wtf are you guys talking about??? Index cards?? Are you guys like keep tabs on other posters = / things like that are what makes this place unfriendly... most of the people don't even know each other in real life.. if some poster has wronged you in real life that's a bit different but just to scare and blackmail someone you don't even know.. that's not cool
rozumiemnic
20 Oct 2017  #28,567

in my case, Dirk, I was joking....i forget most stuff that i have read about people quite quickly tbh.
dolnoslask
20 Oct 2017  #28,568

scare and blackmail someone you don't even know.. that's not cool
@ Dirk diggler

I agree not good , thug life
rozumiemnic
20 Oct 2017  #28,569

Polish food is so much tastier than ours isnt it?
I just went to our local shop which is in competition with the polski sklep (only 3 shops in the village) and got a lovely big loaf of proper sourdough bread. some chicken spread, and a packet of cherry jaffa cakes. on a budget obviously, but this is much nicer than our budget food.
dolnoslask
20 Oct 2017  #28,570

Polish food is so much tastier than ours isnt it?

Oh don't start that one, Sunday roasts, popping down to the curry house for a lamb curry, fish and chips, proper Donner kebabs with lamb, snouty sausages, but there again I am off tomorrow to get the ingredients to make bigos to my grandmas recipe a game of two halves, but the bread yes doesn't stay fresh long but its great. Polish Jaffa cakes in Intermarche pretty good.
G (undercover)
20 Oct 2017  #28,571

find it disrespectful to the soldiers who died in Afghanistan to marginalize their efforts.

Well, I can agree with that but... so what... ? Countries from continental Europe lost 350 soldiers in Afghanistan. During 15 years. That's not even 2 a month on average. You can't expect Yanks to be eternally grateful for that, the scale was not significant enough, frankly they could have done it on their own.

It just shows you how nonsensical a firm adherence to the 2% target is.

A simple benchmark is never perfect.

Even without Trump, even without the 2% debate, I believe that it would have been only a matter of time until the USA were to reduce its' activities in Europe

They reduced it to nearly zero ! Just 2 combat brigades. Light infantry in DE and airborne in Italy. They are bringing back some but the scale is small and even that requires additional funds. It's a political thing. Taxpayers are generally not too happy about it and...

I don't think hardly anyone is more unhappy about the decrease of American investment in Europe than the German politicians.

...in this situation one doesn't have to "actively" push them out of Europe. You can achieve that simply by doing not much... "If they don't want to defend themselves, why should we spend extra money to do that for them ?" - that's how it looks like.

Aside from the fact that this would violate so many EU regulations that no sane government would try to attempt this

Come on ! It's been already happening since years. Just google up reactions of "Europe" when Poland decided to buy F-16s instead of something "European". "Further integration" will only make it more efficient.

So down the line, Europeans will have to learn how to defend themselves, and a proper European army would be the best way to do it.

Ideally an EU army would also include nuclear weapons (by France) and should be large enough to deter Russia from any agression.

You want to seriously tell me France would nuke Russia If they invaded Latvia ? France or Germany will never risk a war with Russia. Frankly no one will do that. The whole thing is... when you send 30k Yanks into the field, Russians will stay away. They won't attack for the same reason France won't go to war with Russia. No one wants to make the first step to trigger off the nuclear war. Therefore additional US forces are needed in Europe and lack of will to spend 2% together with plans of "EU army" are the best methods of NOT making that happen.
rozumiemnic
20 Oct 2017  #28,572

popping down to the curry house for a lamb curry,

ah ye i would miss that if i was away.
johnny reb
20 Oct 2017  #28,573

Wtf are you guys talking about??? Index cards?? Are you guys like keep tabs on other posters = / things like that are what makes this place unfriendly...

Nope, just ribbing each other with harmless banter.
The days of the nasty thugs seem to be over......well in the last couple of weeks anyways.
It has been a very refreshing change.

in my case, Dirk, I was joking....

I was too.
Atch constantly teases Ziemo about his record keeping as I pointed out today and today Ziemo got her back when Atch started quoting Adrain from a year ago.

Now Atch, have you decided to show your index cards to the forum?

I thought it very clever of Ziemowit.
Harmless fun.
dolnoslask
20 Oct 2017  #28,574

thugs seem to be over..

Nice eh, you never know one day I could share more of my experiences in Poland without the threat of being dragged down to someones local pub to get a good thrashing just for posting an opinion.

Free speech? does it exist anymore, people lose their livelihoods posting here don't they!
Harry
21 Oct 2017  #28,575

Free speech? does it exist anymore, people lose their livelihoods posting here don't they!

Amusing to see you complaining about that given how you always support the people who try take a living away from other people.
johnny reb
21 Oct 2017  #28,576

without the threat of being dragged down to someones local pub to get a good thrashing just for posting an opinion.

You're quite receptive actually as I've grown really tired of arguing with the bullies, who seems to have conversations either with himself, or with things he wished you would have said to make his argument better, but which isn't close to anything you actually said, (ie: who was complaining ?).

you never know one day I could share more of my experiences in Poland

You mean without being challenged and called a liar ?
dolnoslask
21 Oct 2017  #28,577

you always support the people who try take a living away from other people.

Oh hello Harry, trolling and posting untruths as usual, now run along and refer to the one and only PM that I sent you.

You mean without being challenged and called a liar ?

Or " taking peoples livings from them" , as was attempted by the bully club against Adrian. Just look above the club leader Harry has just popped up out of nowhere to to bait me.
Ironside
21 Oct 2017  #28,578

nowhere to to bait me.

Oh those people can bite you.

posted in random
Harry
21 Oct 2017  #28,579

refer to the one and only PM that I sent you.

I'd nearly forgotten how much of a coward you are, not even brave enough to tell somebody to f*ck off in open forum, you have to use PMs when you want to insult people. It really is a pity that we'll never get to find out if you're also too cowardly to say in person what you're happy to say from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Or " taking peoples livings from them" , as was attempted by the bully club against Adrian.

That wasn't the action of any club, that was the action of one person: a person who was doing what had been done to him. Unfortunately it turned out that in fact jimmy had been lying about Adrian being the one who tried to get Delph fired and it was jimmy who'd sent those emails, but Adrian didn't exactly do himself any favours there. Jimmy has got extensive form when it comes to trying to mess with people's livelihoods: he contacted the person he thought was Delph's employer and has been trying desperately to find out the name of Delph's current employer, he posted fictitious reviews about Doug in an attempt to harm Doug's business and did the same to me. But you side with him and defend him: looks like birds of a feather do flock together.

Just look above the club leader Harry has just popped up out of nowhere to to bait me.

Do stop telling lies, you're getting nearly as bad as jimmy when it comes to posting fiction. I did not pop up out of nowhere: I responded to your reference to me in post #1,307. You should know better, poor little jimmy just can't help himself any more but you can post better.
dolnoslask
21 Oct 2017  #28,580

I responded to your reference to me in post #1,307.

Harry I did not mention your name in 1307, but you are at least confirming that you would use violence against someone who does not share your views.

Recap I said " threat of being dragged down to someones local pub to get a good thrashing" no mention of you but you now confirm your threat.

happy to say from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Yes Harry people should always feel safe no matter where they may be.

Again Harry another threat of violence.

Harry take a look at the warnings you have only just recently received from the moderator of this website.

"QTBTBTB" thats three B's Harry "BBB", which at least proves that YOU are the MASTER BAITER on this forum.

Now as I said run along It's been nice on here until you showed up again. In future do not talk to me unless I mention you by name, I do not wish to involve myself with a angry,toxic person that also has a perspicacity for violence.

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