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Supporters of abortion should be permanently banned from this forum



Nadya
20 May 2022  #31

@Cojestdocholery

I doubt child made her mad. It doesn't work like that.

Yes, it can, and often, it does. I risk sounding like a patronising mother, but you clearly know nothing about the real world. In the real world, women can have mental breakdowns from having children. Have you ever heard of postpartum depression? It's a mental disorder that can eventually get so out of hand that a woman kills herself. But that's fine, isn't it, because she isn't taking an innocent life? Well, sometimes, a woman with said condition could become a threat to others, including her child. That is of no fault of her own, as her brain doesn't work as it should. That's just life.

This condition often isn't treated, as it can be attributed to just feeling worse.after childbirth, which is common. It's hard to spot, but it can go on for YEARS. That is not nice for a child to live with. Nor is lack of a parent.

My mother had me in and out of an orphanage for most of my childhood, because she couldn't afford to take care of me. It was horrible. To make it worse, I never met my father, as he had run off with some other woman when he found out my mother was pregnant. This was back in the day when, in my country, abortions/terminations were illegal, and she would have had one, not due to lack of love, but quite the opposite. She never wanted me to have such a horrible childhood. If she could, she said, she would have prevented that. She thought my father would stay, he said that, no matter what, he would always stay with her.

People are more complicated than you seem to think. People have reasons for doing things, and they ought to be allowed to make their own decisions. Whether or not one gives birth to the foetus one is pregnant with IS a choice. It is only murder, as @RussianAntiPutin has said, when the foetus can be taken out and put in an incubator. When it can live outside the uterus, without being a miscarriage. Then, and only then, is it murder.

jon357
20 May 2022  #32

pretend that a fertilized embryo is not

in what way is an embryo sentient?

johnny reb
20 May 2022  #33

Google it and educate yourself.

Are you trying to pretend that embryos are sentient?????

Are you trying to pretend that a fertilized embryo is not alive ?

jon357
20 May 2022  #34

So in what way is an embryo sentient?

johnny reb
20 May 2022  #35

Are you trying to pretend that a fertilized embryo is not alive ?

Miloslaw
20 May 2022  #36

Johnny Reb;Are you trying to pretend that a fertilized embryo is not alive ?

He is not saying that.
He is saying that it is not sentient.

jon357
20 May 2022  #37

@Miloslaw
Indeed. He's trolling.

The decision to abort or not is a matter only for pregnant women. Most of the world acknowledges this. Some posters here are from a country where it's a party political issue and their views reflect that.

Even in Poland, the approach is more nuanced.

RussianAntiPutin
20 May 2022  #38

@Cojestdocholery
"As a Russian I might have a hard time understanding that" ? What?! Your bias is very clear. I am not a criminal. And foeteses are not people. Also, the scientific definition of a parasitic creature says I'm right. And I know more about my sister and her piece of crap brat than you do.

Do you think a woman's entire life should be ruined because of a worthless cluster of cells?

Cojestdocholery
20 May 2022  #39

the scientific definition

your obscurantism and ingnorance is clear, you know nothing about science.

women can have mental breakdowns f

Are you telling me that a woman can get schispreniza or some other mental illness becosue she gets pregnent? You don't know what you are talking about are you? Mental breakdown .....what are you trying to say? I hope you are not a troll.

johnny reb
20 May 2022  #40

Indeed. He's trolling.

I was just about to say the same about you since you refuse to answer my question.
Killing a fetus is murder, to us Christians, joun.

jon357
20 May 2022  #41

foetuses are not people

Exactly

Killing a foetus is murder

Terminating a pregnancy is not, under the law.

Korvinus
20 May 2022  #42

My position is very simple: every zygote is sacred. No first trimester or even six weeks bullshit, from the very moment an egg cell is fertilized by a sperm cell, a new human being exists, and is entitled to full rights to live and protection against murder like any other human.

Also no exceptions for rape (the child shall not be punished for the crimes of his/her parents), incest (all eugenics is off the table), or threat to the mother's life (everything possible must be done to ensure that both the mother and the child survive).

Nadya
20 May 2022  #43

@Cojestdocholery

Are you telling me that a woman can get some mental illness because she gets pregnant?

No, after she gives birth. Did you even read everything I wrote? Because I think I mentioned postpartum depression.

@johnny reb

Killing a foetus is murder, to us Christians

Right, then, tell me the the book, chapter and verse that says that abortions/terminations are sinful, because I, a real Christian, don't remember any.

Cojestdocholery
20 May 2022  #44

postpartum depression.

that is, you are a troll. thank you!

Alien
20 May 2022  #45

@Cojestdocholery
No, Nadia isn't a troll. She gives logical arguments.

Paulina
20 May 2022  #46

There is no need to be that rude.

I'm afraid Cojestdocholery can't help himself. He calls me "stupid" almost every time he disagrees with me. Very primitive.

you have no idea how much my family has suffered because of the law where she lives.

Which country, if you don't mind telling?

that is, you are a troll.

Eh? You haven't heard about postpartum depression? You're very ignorant for someone who claimed to have studied medicine, even if just for a while...

Nadya
20 May 2022  #47

@Cojestdocholery

That is, you are a troll

Look up 'postpartum depression'. Then, you will see that I am not a troll. I am simply stating clear facts.

@Paulina

Very primitive.

Clearly. If someone is going to present an argument on anything to do with pregnancy and/or childbirth, they ought to do some research, and be prepared for their ideas to be contradicted on such a controversial topic. They should also keep some form of manners and open-mindedness. I'll listen to arguments, but if a person just use insults as a form of debate, like @Cojestdocholery, I must say, they're not worth my time.

RussianAntiPutin
20 May 2022  #48

@Korvinus
No exception for rape, the woman is traumatised and mentally scarred. No exception for incest, the child suffers. No exception for risk to mothers life, who to save if you can only save one? Kill the woman. Try that. Oh wait, I bet you're a man.

@Cojestdocholery
I know plenty about science, unlike SOME. People like you aren't worth wasting my time on. And my sister had postpartum depression combined with her BPD.

@Paulina Philippines.

RussianAntiPutin
20 May 2022  #49

@Cojestdocholery
Do you think a woman's entire life should be ruined because of a worthless cluster of cells?!

Paulina
20 May 2022  #50

her piece of crap brat

No child, especially a baby, deserves to be called like that. It's not the baby's fault that your sister has BPD and had postpartum depression.

Philippines

I see, thanks for the info. So I'm guessing it was an unwanted pregnancy?

RussianAntiPutin
20 May 2022  #51

@Paulina
I know I shouldn't speak like that, sorry. It's just hard to be nice about a child who throws knives at me and screams all day.

Definitely unwanted. She had no money, nowhere to live because her landlord didn't allow children and she was raped.

Lenka
20 May 2022  #52

child who throws knives at me and screams all day.

That sound like a child that needs help.

Definitely unwanted

I'm really sorry about it.

Paulina
20 May 2022  #53

@RussianAntiPutin, oh God, that's terrible... I feel for your sister... Why on Earth your family didn't bring her back to Russia?

It's just hard to be nice about a child who throws knives at me and screams all day.

I'm guessing it's because the child was unwanted and unloved by your sister. And if you add her BPD, postpartum depression and probably PTSD after the rape to that... It must've affected the child a lot, especially considering that she was a single parent in a difficult situation... Why hasn't she given away the kid for adoption?

That sound like a child that needs help.

Yes, professional psychological help and lots of love.

johnny reb
20 May 2022  #54

Terminating a pregnancy is not, under the law.

Who's law ?
Christians live by God's law, not mortal mans law.
You'll find out soon enough.

then, tell me the the book, chapter and verse that says that abortions/terminations are sinful, because I, a real Christian, don't remember any.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shall not kill !
If you were a real Christian you would have no problem remembering it.

No, Nadia isn't a troll.

No, she is no doubt a sock puppet

jon357
20 May 2022  #55

Who's law

Whose, not who's.

The law that makes things illegal.

johnny reb
20 May 2022  #56

Damn joun, you are right.
I am so embarrassed but then again who's gives a F. lol
You live by man's law and we Christians live by God's law.
Does that help you understand why we will never agree about killing innocent human beings ?
Even your science says that life begins at conception.

Cojestdocholery
20 May 2022  #57

He calls me "stupid" almost every time

you say something stupid? that I like calling you stupid doesn't change anything lol!

haven't heard about postpartum depression?

How did you arive to that conclusion? Is that becasue you are stupid and this way your stupid excuse for a mind works? lol!
Is same claim that a woman became mad (crazy, mentaly ill) becasuse of a pregnency. Is talking nosense on few levels at once. If the same person backbedal to ptp depression it means that person doesn't know what she/he is talking about and is either ranting or trolling. In other words - I'm not interested. It is more fun for me to call you stupid, stupid. lol!

science says that life begins at conception.

On point!

jon357
20 May 2022  #58

Christians live by God's law

And the law of the land.

If you don't like terminations, don't have one.

Nadya
20 May 2022  #59

@johnny reb
I knew that you would mention 'Thou shalt not kill'! Funny thing is, that only applies to sentient humans (humans who are capable of experiencing thoughts and feelings). Does it apply to, say, a goat? A horse? A cow? NO. Nor does it apply to a non-sentient foetus. Clearly, you are very ignorant.

Nadya
20 May 2022  #60

@Cojestdocholery
You are unnecessarily rude, and I don't think anyone is interested in you immature 'arguments'. All you do is call those who do not have the same opinions as you stupid. That in itself is factually immature and stupid. Above all, it is narrow-minded. Your opinion is not the be-all end-all. It is your opinion only. I don't mind open-minded discussions with people who present actual arguments, but you, you are immature and only spend, or rather waste, your time telling people that they are stupid. @Paulina is clearly more compassionate, logical and mature than you.

@johnny reb
If the commandment of 'thou shalt not kill' has anything to do with terminations, tell me the Bible book, chapter and verse that says that abortion is murder. Then, and only then, will I agree with you that the Lord said that it is sinful, because in that case, He would have.


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