European obsession with firearm ownership.

I told you I didn't support abortion, what are you trying to say?


That would be perfect, thanks ;)
(To protect us from what, btw? Is Germany about to attack Poland again? Or France maybe? Is Portugal planning to invade Spain? Is Finland willing to 'steal' the Svalbard archipelago from Norway?)

I'm sure Italian and German people would be very happy to send your military and guns 'back home', as I'm sure the French are pretty happy they ousted your military and guns decades ago. I told you, we're fine. Europe is one of the most stable as well as one of the safest places on Earth.

And can you imagine that my taxes would be cut in half without the BURDON spending on a military to protect Europe. YEAH !
(Not to mention our boys lives that have been sacrificed to protect you.)


Right now your biggest threat is the Muslims that want to take over your daughters, land, culture and religions.


Your economy is stable ? All the Muslim refugees protests that you presently are experiencing ?
I would hardly call it "stable" or a "safe" place but then again, what are you comparing it with and how much longer.

You will be begging to own a firearm in your lifetime.

When?
I have nothing against your poor boys, I only blame the persons who send these poor boys to a certain death.


The current migrant crisis in Europe is, for a big part, the result of incessant American interventionism in the Middle East. All these wars that have kept the whole region unstable and unsecure, and created (more) terrorism instead of ending it. Are you willing to protect us from a threat you actually initiated?


It was, until the economic crisis (originating from the US, once again).


I'm comparing it with most parts of the world, including America. Poland is a much safer place than the US for instance. And actually safer than Western Europe too. If Europe, and especially the EU, is not a stable and safe place, then what is?

But if our European governments keep following US stupid and criminal wars, Europe won't be a stable and safe place anymore, for sure. Hopefully it's not too late.

It is to late so you better be obtaining a gun to protect yourself soon.
You never know how the evil U.S. will react to ungrateful people as yourself.

I won't. In case you didn't notice, terrorists don't tell in advance where and when they're gonna kill. So armed or unarmed, what is it gonna change for me, seriously?

Also, I'd rather not live in a society where everyone's carrying a gun because everyone is afraid of everyone.


The US have already made such a mess, I'd be very grateful if your country stopped behaving like a spoiled child that can do just anything he wants without mommy yelling at him.

Many times they have silly.


Probably none since you wouldn't know which end of it to use.


Just the opposite as I feel very comfortable knowing my neighbors all own guns to protect the neighborhood.
I feel much safer with them then without them.
I am to old to run, to old to fight but I can still shoot pretty good.


You must think you are Mommy because you are the one yelling.
If you don't want to own a gun Mommy then don't but don't try to tell your neighbor because you don't want to own a gun then he shouldn't own one either.

That is bleeding heart liberal logic.

You do realise that a simple car bomb could destroy your entire neighbourhood without any fuss?

No, I did not realize that so do tell as you obviously seem to be an authority.
Maybe you would like to share with us a picture of my neighborhood ?
As usual, your ignorance is bliss detective delph.

When and where? The objective of a terrorist attack is to kill as many people as possible. Why would the terrorists tell in advance when and where they're gonna attack?


Of course you do. You're scared. You just need to understand than not everyone feels like you do. Especially in Europe.


You are the one trying to force your fears on us. You are the one who wants us to own a gun, even tho we don't want to.

Mommy's not happy, be careful or she might tell Santa you've been a naughty boy.

Really, if you wanna talk logic, then tell me: if I'm in a train that's being blown up by terrorists, what on Earth could my gun and I do? Will my gun save me from a violent death, or will I just die with tens or hundreds of other people (who happen to own guns too)?

Introduce me to your logic, cuz it's not so clear to me.

How about the "we" of Europe that do ? Apparently you speak for them too ?


What good would a gun do if the sun fell on the earth ?


Just the opposite, I have my friends Smith & Wesson to protect me.


You are not clear because you are incapable of logic.

I speak for the majority of us, Europeans. I don't know anyone here who'd like to own a gun. It's just not our culture, at all.


Do you know what terrorism is, Johnny? It is indeed like the sun falling onto the Earth. There's not much you can do, and a gun would certainly not be of any help.


Good for you. I hope you're always on your guard tho, in case some bad guy uses his Smith & Wesson before you do.

The fact that you need to feel protected so bad... that's something I'm not used to. We don't live in the same world, Johnny. I know the world is unsafe, but I don't need 'friends' to protect me ;)


Alright, if you wanna play childish games now...

Who put you in charge ?
I have many pen Pals in Europe and MOST of them say they would like to own a gun if they could.
So you ain't no majority Skippy.


You mean like 9/11 ?


There are many places in the U.S. that you can get your throat cut for $20 for some smack heads next fix.


The gang bangers will start to organize shortly in London (that is where you live isn't it ?) and then you will beg to own a gun.

I would much rather be a survivor then a victim.

I'm not surprised, they're friends with you ;)
I can assure you that if you came to my area and asked people randomly if they would like to own a gun, most of them would say no.


9/11 if you want. Guns didn't help, right?


This is exactly what I've been saying: American people are scared because they live in a generally violent country. The problem is not really the right (or not) to own a gun, but more: what led to this situation of violence and fear, and is there any way to 'fix' this situation?


Nope, but the fact that you thought I was English proves that my English skills aren't so bad, so I'll take it as a compliment ;)

Those would be the pu#$ies.


You ask if I knew what terrorism was and I said you mean like 9/11.
Now you are trying to connect that with guns ? Keep digging.


As being seen in Europe also and getting worse by the day.


Yes, arm the citizens so they have a fighting chance.


No, I thought you were Polish and yes, your English skills are above average.

You're wrong and you don't realize it. Shame. Try to open up your mind for once. I'm trying to understand your point of view, when you, on the other hand, make no effort to understand others'.


Yes, because terrorism is the main reason for us to feel insecure. Fact is, in the middle of a terrorist attack, my gun wouldn't save me. Then why would I bother carrying a gun everywhere I go?


Not comparable with the US. I'm always quite amazed by how afraid many Americans feel. I don't have this impression with Europeans, generally.


Yeah, in theory maybe. Real world is different.

Maybe where you live but not where I live.


No, that is not a fact. At least you could defend yourself instead of sitting there like a pussy.


I don't know, I don't carry mine everywhere I go.


Different demographics is all.


I have never met a single one that feels afraid unless they are somewhere they shouldn't be.
Why do you post such non sense, have you ever been to the U.S. ?


At least people should have that choice and soon Europe will be demanding gun ownership
when they find out the police can no longer protect them.

Indeed. So we're back to: why would we need guns here?


I've never heard of anyone surviving a terrorist attack thanks to his gun. Being a 'pussy' or not is not relevant. The fact that you need to hold a gun to feel like a real man is an issue we'll discuss another day.


What do you mean by (different) demographics?


Nope, but I've heard (or read) Americans talking.


Shooting at someone, even to defend yourself, is not an easy thing to do.
I asked you already but I don't think you answered: what about other kinds of weapons? Like tasers. Something that neutralizes but doesn't kill (in theory).

To protect yourself from bad people with weapons. AGAIN !


Discuss it with yourself then because I never said any such thing nor do I feel that way.


How many cities does Europe have with gang bangers ?


That amazes me you say that because the majority of people don't understand that. In fact very few.
You now have earned my respect so no more taunting you.


12 gauge bore auto with three inch magnum double buck has a tendency to get immediate attention.
Taser is one shot and have to be within 15 feet to immobilize.
Someone coming at me wielding a knife doesn't get the luxury of getting 15 feet from me before they meet their maker.
What if there are two or more bad guys and you only have a one shot taser ?
I think Europeans would buy guns for home protection if they could.
Polson, I seldom carry my handgun unless I go to the city. I keep my shotgun handy in my house.
All the rest of my guns (Hunting & Target) are locked in a gun safe until I want to use them.
The response time from the police station to my house is twenty minutes.
In that twenty minutes I have to protect myself from an intruder or become a potential victim.
Even two minutes makes a difference sometimes.
With what Europe is in for you better reconsider your options.

Oh ok, bad people... Well, I probably have more chances to get bitten by a venomous snake than to get shot by a bad guy.

(There are no venomous snakes in my area)


No idea. Are you saying that America is dangerous? I told you many times that you were living in a violent country...
Anyway, not sure gun ownership is the way to fix the problem. Unless you think it is not fixable. If gang bangers have become too big...


Very cool! ;)


Tricky indeed. They might get less adventurous if they realize I have a taser, even if it's just one-shot. Personally, I wouldn't take the risk to get tasered (if I was a bad guy).

In case you carry a gun, would you have time to take it out from your inner pocket (or wherever it is), especially if the bad guys are pulling their guns on you?


Handy? Like always easily accessible, wherever you are in the house?


Of course. Do intruders often carry guns where you live? Here they don't. That's why we don't feel the need to own guns. We do have alarm systems tho. My alarm is so damn loud that it's not humanly bearable. Most intruders would run away immediately. They wouldn't even hear the police coming if they decided to... keep intruding.


Are you saying migrants come to Europe with their guns? ;)

No, bad people with weapons.


How do you suggest that a woman with children protect herself with a man say high on meth breaking into her home ?
Call the police and wait for them to respound after the fact ?


If the dogs start barking with that bark of strange human I look out and see what it is all about as I have a sign at the end

of my driveway that says, "Invited Guests Only, Others by Request", which means Keep Out.
If someone refuses to acknowledge my wishes I can only assume they have come looking for something I am not interested in.
You're not paranoid if you're not paying attention and I prefer not being a statistic.


What do they carry there, baseball bats and knives ?
A gun makes a nice equalizer to such weapons.


No you said that, I was referring to the increase in violence because of them.
Just wait, you will see the day that Europeans will need guns for self preservation.
Hopefully they will have them available to them.

Of course, absolute safety doesn't exist. You can always imagine the worst scenarios to legitimate the right to own a gun or anything to protect yourself, but isn't that what we call a vicious circle? If a woman with children finds herself face to face with a dangerous man who broke into her home, what makes you think that she would have time to reach her gun before the dangerous man shoots her and/or her kids? Unless she carries a gun all the time, including at home when she's taking care of her children.


Nice one ;)


Not sure. Knives maybe. They might as well carry nothing. You must bear in mind that most intruders are not high on meth ;) They just want to get inside, take some stuff, and get away as quick as possible. That's it. They wouldn't risk their lives, and/or try to kill someone.


Well, time will tell, I guess ;)

Private ownership of guns is the only reason the Russians and Chinese have not yet invaded

Sure, because every stupid hick with a gun can easily shoot down an incoming ballistic missile or fight off the tanks of an invading army... :)

So the mightiest military in he world has had nothing to do with it ?
Totally off topic.


That's what we keep our military around for stupid and trust me, they do have weapons that are capable of destroying both those things.

Now, back on topic.......Europe will be seeing it's violent crime rate spike, see that the police arrive after the fact and be begging to be able to protect themselves and their families with a fire arm.

All the liberal Progressive thinking and pratting in the world will not convince the Europeans that guns are bad when it becomes survival time.


Didn't have to wait to long did we with the Paris terrorist attack tonight.
Told you so.
Just think if some of those French citizens were allowed to own and carry a gun with them.
At least they would have had a fighting chance and the number of deaths may have been cut in half.
The police arrived after the fact for 140 people didn't they.
How long will you stay in denial.......?

All those people died and all you can say is "told you so"?

You're sick in the head.

I wasn't going to dignify that crap with a response, but the idea of a few thousand armed heavy metal fans blasting away in all directions would be comical on another day. Comments such as "I told you so" are beneath contempt. RIP.

You didn't read the rest of my post apparently.


You are spinning it as beneath contempt when actually you know that I was referring to my statement of:


Nice try though.
Thank goodness you two are foreigners in Poland without Polish ancestry and don't represent the Polish people.

Rather thank goodness that you Americans have no say in European firearms policies.

johnny, you may believe in your visceral ancestral ties to a country you have absolutely no clue about, no understanding of, and no connection with, but that leaves you in a minority of one. Delph and I live and work here and have done for years. You troll from one of the most backward states in the USA about a country you know nothing about. If you were ever to visit Poland, you'd be as lost as a child. Don't presume to play the "I am a true Pole and you are not" crap with me. It doesn't wash. I don't claim to represent the Polish people; you, on the other hand, appear to do that frequently.

To re-cap. 2003, Erfurt, Germany. A certain Robert Steinhauser, pupil at a local highschool mows down several classmates as well as his teacher. Fact. Herr Steinhauser was LEGALLY authorized to own and use a gun; he had a 'Jagdschein' (hunting license), and under German law, had the necessary documentation which permitted him to use it.

That he was temporarily off his nut, doesn't diminish the fact that he was licensed to carry firearms:-)

1966 (??), Cologne, Germany. Similar incident when a highschool teacher began shooting for no explicable reason, finally turning the weapon on himself.

You figure it out,

Typically, most Germans, Italians, Spaniards and Frenchmen etc. don't either. The difference between Europe and the States is, for the umpteenth time, here, standards/rules are porous, there, they aren't!

Italy might be an exception, but then again, the "gun culture" (outside of the carabinieri) has never been exactly popular:-)