European obsession with firearm ownership.

A very interesting thought, which has been sent to me by a friend from the US of A. What amazes me is that people don't have to have any insurance at the moment. In Europe, that would be unthinkable. Don't they have to have car insurance over there either?

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Home Army fellows? Who might they be?


I think you're applying a typical "Guns n God" American philosophy to Europe. We do not have any concept of guns being an acceptable way to defend yourself in peacetime.


You haven't answered my question Johnny. Why is there a difference? Carrying a gun is carrying a gun - why is there any differentiation?


I've done some more research, and essentially, it's the typical crude Kremlin disinformation strategy - they've been claiming exactly what this chap has been claiming. No-one in the Polish media, not even Fronda.pl has claimed such a thing.

The fact that he's saying things like "home army"...well.

Oh that will solve your problem jon, demand that all the bad guys and nutters that commit crimes with guns be required to have insurance.

Are you for real ?


Yes jon yet many people drive without it. What's your point ?
Why do you want to punish law abiding citizens jon.
They are no threat to society owning a gun.
You just don't get it because you don't want to get it.
You don't want to own a gun don't.
You don't want to go to church don't.
You don't want to eat meat don't.
If I want to do those things then who are you that says I can't ?
Isn't that what you preach.
If I am not hurting anyone I should be able to do what I want.
If I choose to protect my family and property with a gun then I should be able to.
If you choose to call the police after someone robs your house, rapes your boyfriend, or reloads to finish shooting ALL of your family and is long gone by the time the police get there to investigate then that is your choice.

When I get woke up in the middle of the night and there is someone in my house they will hear the racking of a 12 gauge pump shotgun which they recognize as the sound of "buddy you better be having your a$$ going the other way in high gear."

With that said just how long you want to keep this thread going jon ?
Like your LGBT or your Rainbow silly a$$ ones that rehash and rehash and rehash.
I agree, you don't see the need for owning a gun and I do.
The day will be here shortly where the citizens of Europe will be begging to own a gun.

Nope. All gun owners should have liability insurance.

Not that we have nearly as much gun crime in countries where they are less available.

Another good reason to join the N.R.A. to preserve your rights.
If you are a member you get free insurance from them.
Maybe we should require alcoholics that drive drunk have special insurance. They kill more people then guns do.
Making law abiding conservative citizens get insurance only discriminates against them. (Another Liberal law)
Do you think buying insurance will bring back a life ?
My idea would be to reopen the mental institutions that the Liberals had closed down because "they were inhumane" and
get these unstable people off the streets again.
You Liberals pump them full off government anti depressants and anti anxiety meds and throw them out into society and
expect them to cope with reality.
Sane people do not kill people jon unless they are defending themselves from being killed, guns do not kill people.
The mentally ill kill people with guns. The mentally ill commit suicide with guns.
The day will be here shortly where the citizens of Europe will be begging to own a gun.

We don't have this NRA thing in Europe. As I told you before, there isn't the same obsession with guns. This is fortunate, since we therefore have far lower rates of gun crimes.

Once civilian gun ownership is voted in you will need the N.R.A. to preserve those rights so the Liberal Bleeding Hearts don't

try to instill their whims on law abiding citizens.
Say call it the European Rifle Association (E.R.A.) for all law abiding citizens. :-)

Voted in by whom? Nobody's interested here.

Stop trying to import the values of (some) Americans to Europe. We have our own.

Like you preach with your values jon..................."You can't stop Progress."

That doesn't make any sense.

And doesn't alter the fact that Europeans aren't interested in guns.

So if you get killed, your family gets money? Cool.


I agree with Jon, won't happen any time soon. Europe is not America. People here aren't constantly scared to the point they feel they need to own a gun. You should respect that.

jon in all fairness let's admit it, you come from a religious Muslim Islamic country with some of the strictest laws in the world (Sharia law) and I come from a religious Christians country with the most freedoms of any country in the world.

You import your Sharia values here as I import my Christian values here.
Muslim countries have the strictest laws in the world including personal ownership of guns.
The Sharia Law, a framework that Muslims must adhere to in order to avoid consequences.
Whoever is caught breaking the Sharia Law is in serious trouble.

Take Saudi for an example.
Saudi Arabia has come a long way since its old ways, the laws in that country are still so stern and forbidding that it remains as a country with one of the most backwards view on women rights.

Women are not allowed to do so many things such as drive, be seen in public with a man that is not family, and wear anything but the appropriate clothings based on the Islamic faith. There is very little freedom because everything is closely watched by the government. Worst of all, there are serious consequences for anyone who breaks any of these unrelenting religious laws. (Gun ownership)

So it is understandable why you feel the way you do about personal gun ownership.
However the people in the EU will be begging to own a gun with the mass immigrations that are about to challenge their
own countries in the near future.
You don't think the people in the U.E. understand what is developing in London, France, Sweden and slowly in the rest of the world ?????

The people of the E.U. will soon be begging to own a gun to protect their family, property and religious rights.

Poor Johnny. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about - guns are very common in Saudi.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Saudi_Arabia

As for your propaganda about freedom, remind us why there's a restriction on reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in foreign languages?

Er, here in Europe we do pretty much that. All drivers are required to have liability insurance and if you have a couple of drink driving convictions, your insurance costs a vast amount of cash. I see no reason why gun owners shouldn't also have mandatory insurance.

Did I post something to the contrary ?


Meaning illegal gun ownership, sorry I wasn't more clear (here in America the difference is just understood) as every country has licensing for legal gun ownership silly.

Maybe you would like to google the punishment for illegal gun ownership in Saudi Arabia for us Mr. Google.


Er, here in the United States we do pretty much that too.......only it takes only ONE felony gun conviction.
After that only the criminals would be required to have insurance because with a felony you can't legally own a gun.
So I agree with you Harold, demand that criminals must go get gun insurance before they rob a bank or murder someone.
That is for sure to work as I am sure they would sign up for it immediately. What a good idea you have. :-(

Exotic. All that oil in my back yard. BTW, there is gun ownership there however mainly for hunting and militia/security use. You can't just walk down the street with one in your pocket.


Very much so. Here in Europe it simply isn't an issue. Civilians can't carry handguns in most countries and there is no significant movement to change that. People just don't want them.

All that cold fresh water and oil in my back yard. :-)


Not yet but will in the near future so let's help them get started now so they will be ready for what's coming.


And what is the punishment if you do and get caught ?

Shame it's so polluted.


No sign of that. No clamour for increased ownership. No campaigning bodies, no politicians advocating it. Nothing.

It simply isn't a European obsession.

Now that is a jealous statement for sure.
I had my ice cold artesian flowing well on my property tested again this summer (that flows 24/7/365) and it tested pure
with zero interference. (My daily drinking water)
That water will soon be worth more then oil per barrel.
I was also sailing on Lake Superior last summer (One of the Great Lakes of Michigan, the biggest fresh water lake in the world) and you could see a coin on the bottom in forty feet of water it is so clear. You could drink that water right out of that lake and not get sick.

I just don't know how you can call that polluted.


When was the last time you were in London ?


Yet, but soon.
Notice how the Bobbies that didn't use to are carrying now.
You just can't stop progress jon.

Actually, Lake Superior is contaminated with DDT and mercury to start with.

Nope. Only the armed response teams. The normal ones still don't carry firearms.


A few weeks ago - why?


You call more people with guns 'progress'???
There's just no hope for you at all.

You butting into a discussion by going Off - Topic Delph or just stirring the pot again ?
Actually it is much cleaner then any lake in Europe that size or does Lake Superior have more fresh water then all the fresh water lakes in Europe put together. Superior is over 1300 feet deep. You have any that deep in Europe ?

It certainly does not have contaminates close to harmful amounts to humans so what's your point ?
I wouldn't hesitate to drink water from that lake.
No doubt acid rain from coal burning countries pollute the world.


Guns aren't for sissies, that is a given.

They're not for Europeans either; we aren't interested.

Again jon, you being a Turk are personally trying to speak for the whole E.U.
Your vote doesn't count.
The people in Europe are going to need to defend themselves, their families, their property and religion before you retire.
They are feeling it and would like to own a gun for security.

Given that we haven't needed guns to protect ourselves, our families, our property and our religions before now, why would we need guns in the future?

To answer your question AGAIN.................


Obviously some don't.

You can 'answer' as often as you like. The fact remains is that all you can say is some idle speculation about a dystopian future with nothing at all to back it up or to suggest why Europeans are or are not (we are not) interested in guns.

I wish it was just speculation jon.
(Is there even such a word as dystopian ?)
The chains of the people in Europe need to be cut to give them freedoms they deserve such as private gun ownership to protect them from being over run by foreigners beliefs.

Europeans would be in favor if this issue was allowed to be to a vote.

Yes, there is such a word. What there isn't, is any significant movement in Europe to liberalise gun laws. You say people would vote for that - do you have anything to back that up?

Just my Polish friends on the internet who live in Poland that tell me that they all would like to own a firearm.
They feel discriminated against for not having that freedom of choice.