European obsession with firearm ownership.

So in fact nothing. There is no significant movement, or political party, or campaign anyone's heard of for Europe to liberalise its gun laws.

firearms-united.eu/partners?start=15

Actually it is more that Europeans are obsessed with the fact that American's are allowed to own firearms and carry them.
I think that is why they feel denied to have the same freedoms.
Yes Vox, excellent information, thank you.
Hopefully this will soon expand throughout Europe.

Nope. People just don't think about it.


Ask a random 20 people in the street in Warsaw if they've heard of your club. The chances are that none of them will have any idea it exists. Has many members, does it? No, it doesn't.

Guns are partially what make the usa a broken society. I know ppl want to go to usa but it would not even make the top 10 for me and I certainly would not want my kids there.

Look what it did to Australia when they got banned.
Your murder rate is not that much different than the U.S.A.' s and guns are outlawed there.
How do you explain that ?


Just don't take them to the top five cities in the U.S. that 90% of the statistics come from and you
will be at the same murder rate that your country has.

That's debatable.

nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

With you everything is debatable.


Why didn't you post what Snopes had to say ?
Here, let me for you.
From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.
Hi Yanks,
I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

Read more at snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp#XYb5FbGpx5YS30gC.99

As always, you have to open your mouth without using your brain...

First sentence on the Snopes site:
"Claim: Statistics demonstrate that crime rates in Australia have increased substantially since the government there instituted a gun buy-back program in 1997."

What follows is a rebuke, but you haven't read a single line of what was said there, have you?

Quote:
"An examination of statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program."


Last time I looked, this was a discussion forum...

That was my point.
Disarming Australia did nothing but take the guns from the good guys so they would be easy targets for he bad guys who didn't turn their guns in.

You can continue to prattle all you want though as the statistics speak for themselves.

Exactly. Look at the first link I posted:

Murders with fire arms: USA -> 159 times more than Australia
Robberies: USA -> 79% more than Australia
Murders per 100,000 people: USA -> 4 times more than Australia
Prisoners: USA -> 90 times more than Australia

or try this: gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia


You can't even remotely compare Australia to the US, and the NRA attacking the National Firearms Agreement just shows that they have no clue what's really going on downunder.

What a ridiculous comparison usa to australia. This is why we laugh at yank gun zealots all the time. These two countries aren't evem on the same field to compare. We are all aware about the utter ******** those gun freaks and their stupid suppporters spout. Utter lies.

Not when the USA has 13 times as may people.

We hear this laughable and other idiotic baseless lies of arguments all the time. You would not last 2 minutes with that argument here.

Is that why you come here is to argue ?
Obviously as you post way off thread.


I thought so but many people that come here are know it all's and just want to argue.
Europeans would only enjoy the freedoms that America has with the right o bear arms as one of them.

We don't want your broken loser society ideals here. Nobody does. Or fake stats made up by the nutjob gun lobby or any other. Usa is beyond help.

I agree yet it is still the the number one country in he world.
I think you are beyond help by not being able to stay on topic.


Hey pal, these stats come from YOUR country, not mine.
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer.
In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime.

In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy.
Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban," Free Republic.
Straight from your country, not mine old chap.


I see that as your country has three times more rapes then the U.S.A. does.
Now let's get back on topic Mate.

Spot on. Just because the developed world largely doesn't share their ideas about guns (and quite a lot of people in their own country don't either) it seems to enrage some of them.

Here in Europe, people just don't want them.

Oh Johnny, your statistics are forever amusing...

Actually, the United States and Australia are equal. Given that Australians don't have guns and Americans do, it can only prove that guns are essentially a non-factor in preventing sexual assault.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Australia

Still haven't given us a single good reason to carry a gun, Johnny.

That is because that is not what the topic of this thread is about.
Please try staying on topic.


EXACTLY silly.

Yes it seems to be rape and woman bashing capital of the world. 2 woman a week are killed at home. This differs from a nut with gun in public place who is a stranger.

Me neither, I will keep mine in the U.S.A. where they are much safer.

I would agree with you that a lot of the reporting on gun crime in the US media is sensationalist and that the country is quite safe unless your kids attend school in inner city districts or live in high crime neighborhoods. Your claim though that the US is much safer than Australia doesn't hold water.

Except they aren't, given that they're far more likely to die as a result of gun violence.

Not true at all, there has been no gun violence in my home town in over sixty years Delph proving
once again that you are full of little green apples.

That's fine - in my home town, which I suspect is larger than your home town, there's been no gun violence since the Civil War in the 1600s. Our home towns though are neither here nor there - statistics do not lie, the U.S. has a very high rate of gun crime compared to those countries in Europe where guns are not available.

And that's how we prefer it over here.

My home town is nowhere near the size of Istanbul for sure.


I would like to know what European country that would be.
The poster Robert Qualls, (that you ran out of here), explained that to you.


Is there any real doubt that if a person in any European country wanted to obtain a firearm that they couldn't get one.


No sh!t Sherlock, beheadings in Iran are very high compared to European countries too. Should Europe outlaw knives ?
Again, 90% of those statistics come from FIVE major cities in the U.S., the other 10% of those statistics come from the rest of the 330,000,000 people that live in the U.S. and a lot of hose are suicides.

Screw your statistics cover all.
WE have repeatedly showed you this over and over again in this thread and all you can come up with is "We prefer".

Bullock jon, you are speaking ONLY as an individual with one opinion.


As you repeat your self over and over I will repeat myself again to that statement.
You are speaking (WE) as one person (that is not even from Europe) for all of Europe.
As immigration is now taking over Europe the crime rate will increase which will be a cause for demand for personal protect firearms.
The European people will be begging for that personal freedom in the near future.

Legally available without registration and for personal protection? Except for some Scandinavian countries and Switzerland, nowhere in Europe AFAIK. Johnny, the mindset in Europe and Australia is completely different when it comes to guns. You can't compare that to the US where weapons are everywhere and certain groups insist that its their constitutional right to own them.


Very much doubt it. If the number of refugees from the Middle East, Africa and Afghanistan becomes threatening, people will vote extreme right-wing parties into power. Much more dangerous than guns, if you ask me.

Johnny AFAIK the only legal way to own a gun in the UK for example, is to be a farmer or member of a gun club.

It is just so different to the US that you cannot really compare it, as theother said.
Obviously if you really wanted a gun, you could get a gun. but not legally.

So as I have stated 101 times.......a law abiding citizen can not have a gun, only the lawless citizen can if they needed one leaving the law abiding citizen with nothing to protect his family and property with against a criminal with one.

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
I am so blessed to have such a freedom that so many are deprived of.
Tell me the truth rozum, if some perv was on top of you trying to give you A.I.D.'s and you had a .380 LPC in your pocket would

you use it ? Even after the deed and he was putting his pants on and he had a knife, would you say please don't or use your gun ?

How about if perp was kidnapping your child and the ONLY THING that would stop him is a bullet would you pull the trigger or just let him leave with your child ?

How about if you woke in the middle of the night and you heard footsteps coming toward your bedroom, would you throw a pillow at him or would you take your gun from the nightstand ?