Germany becomes second most popular immigrant destination, 400 000 a year

You understood what they were saying, didn't you? That's enough. The style is a different story. From what you've been describing, it sounds as if you talked to some folks on trailer trash level. Definitely not highly educated people or professionals. Almost all Germans I've met spoke excellent English, so I don't know -- maybe you simply hung out with the wrong crowd? Too young, too many drugs, too much booze? Despite: I find it highly unfair (even arrogant, generally speaking) to compare the English skills of a foreigner to those of a native speaker and then to claim that the foreigner speaks lousy English.


Why is that a negative thing? Most of them do it to do you a favor, not to show off.

right on, man! So long as they admit it's just that, practice, I've got nooooo prob. dude! Only when they start getting uppity about their English and degrading the level of educated native speakers....ahemm, then, I start getting hot under the collar!

By the by, NO, I didn't understand that young fellow, so NO, TheOther, he FAILED to "communicate" successfully, failed miserably!

Furthermore, if my German's better than their English, how is that doing me a favor?

Hmmm ... let's see:

a) They just tried to be friendly.
b) Your German is much worse than you think it is and they wanted to help you out by switching to English.
c) They didn't understand a word of what you were saying in German.

Your pick... ;)

Lyzko, may I remind of the PMs you have sent to me here on this forum, in which you have explained to me that my English is terrible and that is why we had different views on certain topics here. According to you i was just lost in translation. When I tried to explain to you that I understood everything just fine and that I simply do not agree with you, you proceeded to call me arrogant.

I am not surprised that you have had problems communicating with the locals when you were in Germany.

Clearly, the first.

Would've thought by this time it was obvious, TheOther:-)

All posters back on topic

@Jolly Romek,

You're certainly entitled to either agree or disagree. Communication problems cut both ways, my friend!

They do indeed. But your approach with me was to try to convince that it must have been my "bad English" that caused me to disagree with you, simply because I wasn't able to understand you.

When you were told otherwise, you resorted to calling me arrogant.

If you took the same approach while being in Germany, it is not surprising that you had difficulties with the locals.

After eating that much people in attempt to assimilate them, Germany would fart and eventually died.

Crow, the only person talking about Germanization is you. Why do you think that is?

Could it be because Poles (for a long time) have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?
Could it be because Czechs have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?
Could it be because Belorusians (for a long time) have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?
Could it be because Croatians have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?
Could it be because Ukrainians have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?
Could it be because, and you better sit down now, because Russia and Russians have recognized that Germany is a good partner to have?

The only people that seem to be crying are Serbians. Do you feel left out because not even your Mother Russia wants to play with you anymore?

Time to wake up Crow. No matter how long and how often you masturbate over a self drawn map of "Slavia", it will never exist. Not because Germany forces people, because they do not like you!

i admit. i am on the verge of germanization. But obviously, on the verge doesn`t mean that i am germanized.

@the other.....I fitted in fine there it's none if that. I have never experienced some sort if immigrant life anywhere and hete in Australia I went to school started business all that never had a problem anywhere with any natives. Anyway I dont know what it is in Germany just like something in the air I can't put my finger on it and can't explain but I would not live there. Hmmm.

I'll tell you what it is: the freakin' climate. I'm an old banana bender, and I suffered terribly... ;)

> 1,000 migrants riot, assault and rape in Koln [Germany] train station on New Years Eve

breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault-steal-one-german-train-station-new-years-eve/

How long until this breaks in the German media?

Has been reported all over the place. See this example...

.ksta.de/koeln/augenzeugen-schildern-die-silvesternacht-sote,15187530,33057374.html

or google "unruhen köln bahnhof silvester" for plenty of German sources reporting this.

In case some bleeding heart leftist liberals on this forum don't like non-MSM news outlets like breitbart, here is a link to your beloved BBC reporting these assaults on women in Germany:

bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046




Looks like cultural diversity is in full swing in Germany!

One more quote for the BBC I forgot to post, probably the most shocking:

Seems the more recent influx of Syrians may have been a game changer:-)

Similar attacks in Hamburg and Stuttgart, cops confirming that asylum seekers were involved, and still German politicians and the media refuse to admit that there's a huge problem...

"A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates, he said. However, there was no official confirmation that asylum seekers had been involved in the violence. Commentators in Germany were quick to urge people not to jump to conclusions." (Source: BBC, see above)

Unbelievable.

Merkel and the media seem to have a decidedly adversarial relationship! I feel her initial missteps in handling the entire asylum crisis have led in no uncertain terms to the fiasco we have today:-)

Germany does indeed appear to be rapidly losing her equalibrium. Check out the second-to-latest SPIEGEL: "Die verstoerte Nation: Verliert Deutschland seine Mitte?" [Nation in turmoil: Is Germany losing her equalibrium?]

As the Pegida gains in strength, Germany most certainly will not remain the second most popular immigrant destination much longer!!!

Adversarial? I would say, it's exactly the opposite. The media are "gleichgeschaltet" with the offical line of the government and do everything to keep the sheeple calm and the ruling politicians happy. There is no other way to explain why it took the major news outlets four days before they finally reported about the attacks in Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart.


I don't believe that they were really missteps initially. Greece and Italy were drowning in a flood of refugees long before Merkel invited them all, so what she did was taking pressure off some EU partners. Her big mistake was to count on the solidarity of her European "friends" to help her afterwards. Now Germany is screwed, and with it most likely the rest of the EU. What happened on New Year's Eve is just the beginning.

I'm not so convinced that it is. Other EU countries will just turn a very blind eye to migrants heading to Germany, under the threat of a mass suspension of Schengen if Germany expects them to control their borders.

I just wonder what will happen if a huge anti-establishment vote occurs in Germany.

Once these refugees receive official German documents, they are pretty much free to settle anywhere in the EU. That's why all other countries are screwed as well unless they abandon Schengen before that happens. Not to forget that the German economy will sooner or later collapse, should the number of new refugees not decrease. Latest when the refugees/migrants are entitled to family reunification (according to the Geneva Convention after two years, if I recall correctly), the brown stuff will hit the fan.


Same thing as in France, Sweden, the Netherlands or Austria, I'd guess. Closing borders, introducing harsher immigration laws, much stricter controls. AfD is already at 10%, and PEGIDA might follow close behind.

By press, TheOther, I was clearly not referring to the mainstream aka streamlined media (as you indicated), but instead to the members of the conservatives as well as the Pegida!

Those recent attacks on German women in Cologne and other cities have sadly exacerbated the entire situation, beyond repair, it seems. Check out Anna Sauerbrei's inciteful article in last week's >ZEIT< on the "New Face of German Hate".

:-)

nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/the-new-face-of-racism-in-germany.html

Typical left-wing scaremongering and the favorite weapon of the do gooders: the "Nazi Keule". Become a threat to the ruling political class like AfD or PEGIDA or have opposing views that do not conform to the PC line (not talking about radical ones like Höcke's here!), and they will automatically label you a fascist, a Nazi or a member of the right wing fringe element. Shuts up any decent conversation immediately and gets rid of any potential competitor. Remember what they did to Sarrazin a few years ago?

There is no such thing as "German hate". 50% of the Germans are still pro refugees, but after one million people flooded their country already and with probably another 5 to 10 million on the way, and certainly after the horrible incidents in Cologne and elsewhere in Germany, people are naturally worried and upset. None of the large parties is listening to them, so they turn to populist alternatives just like the French did with Le Pen. That's all there is to it.


You said "Merkel and the media seem to have a decidedly adversarial relationship", which is simply not true. There is still no real opposition in Germany's media when it comes to the refugee crisis and Merkel's politics. Check all major news outlets, FAZ or Sueddeutsche, the Spiegel or Stern - online articles about refugees cannot be commented, or discussions are shut down as soon as they go against the official line. Talking about scary...

@Lyszko

QED: meta.tagesschau.de/id/107113/spd-verfassungsschutz-soll-afd-und-pegida-ueberwachen

Looks like German politicians are trying to put the blame on these sex assaults on the women probably because they are too afraid of being called racist or nazis!!:


bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35243482

Madness! Unbelievable! RIP germany.

They are trying to distract from the real issue, which is the uncontrolled flooding of Germany with migrants and the increasing opposition to it. It's not only the arm's length nonsense; there are also attempts to downplay the severity of the whole situation by claiming that there is no proof that the assailants were Arabs (or refugees for that matter), that robberies have happened before at the train station, and so on. These politicians are simply afraid that the political right will take over in Germany and chase them away from the trough that is called power and money. The Social Democrats for example are now making plans to place a direct competitor (the AfD) under surveillance of the secret service because they are supposedly neo-Nazi. The real reason though is that the AfD is taking away votes from the lefties which these want to avoid under all circumstances because it will prevent them from participating to form the new government after the elections in 2017.

Speaking of German politics, is there any chance that the CSU will end their cooperation with the CDU over this whole mess?

It seems that if the CSU would surely mop up the AfD vote elsewhere in Germany?

No chance whatsoever. The CDU has a deal with the CSU that it stays out of Bavaria. If their cooperation would end, the CSU would lose its monopoly in Bavaria and would have to face the competition of its old partner, the CDU.

Also important to remember is that the Pegida DOES'NT regard itself as "nazi" or even "neo-nazi", but instead as the only voice of sanity and reason left in Germany!! This is important in understanding its mass appeal throughout much of the country, not only in the former East:-) Pegidists claim, perhaps understandably, Merkel & Gauck are long out of touch with the impact of mass immigration of Syrians into Germany, most of whom speak neither German nor even EnglishLOL They fault the current SPD as off in some alternative reality la-la-land, i.e. "Earth to Angie, earth to Angie, do you read us?"

The group that is really appealing to the masses at the moment is the AfD. Much more dangerous than PEGIDA in my opinion. If the German lefties (and also the conservatives) would actually listen to the concerns of the populace, those right wing groups wouldn't even exist or would be marginalized already.

Women in other western European countries experienced the same sex assaults by Muslim invaders. This is only the tip of the iceberg.


bbc.com/news/world-europe-35259224

Precisely, which is what makes Mayor Reker's comments so tactless and stupid!!!