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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #781

it's not that the man has no experience in eliminating opponents.

It's refreshing to see you being honest about Putin for a change o_O

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #782

Allegedly Utkin was "on that plane" too, so that would be two "VIPs" already.

The Emperor eliminated the entire top of Wagner with one blow.

jon357
23 Aug 2023  #783

I look forward to p00-tin's demise.

Perhaps involving piano wire.

Luke1410
23 Aug 2023  #784

Putin struck back and killed him after that was done

But which Putin was it? Do they even know who the real one is at this stage?

Korvinus
23 Aug 2023  #785

Someone should create a deck of cards with faces of Russian officials (Iraq war style) so that we can cross them out as they fall.

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #786

The Emperor

How fitting lol:

starwarsevilemperor

jon357
23 Aug 2023  #787

Q. What was the last thing that entered his head when he hit the ground?
A. His pelvis.

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #788

twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1694415735273951534

At least he didn't fall out the window or commit suicide...

Innovations in the FSB, did they change any personnel at the top?

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #789

p

Luke1410
23 Aug 2023  #790

Surely the BICS people have got to be looking at this and feeling a bit nervous, could be their planes next if they disagree on interest rates...

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #791

....that all sounds so not like Putin....just saying!

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #792

Vladimir Rogov has confirmed the deaths of Prigozhin and Utkin

mk.ru/politics/2023/08/23/rogov-predstaviteli-chvk-vagner-podtverzhdayut-gibel-prigozhina-i-utkina.html

Novichok
23 Aug 2023  #793

Ukraine can't defeat Russia - ex-NATO general
The West must acknowledge the situation on the ground and negotiate, a former Italian military commander says


Stupid Italians...What do they know...Z should only listen to PF military experts and fight to the last Ukrainian.

mafketis
23 Aug 2023  #794

If Putin can't honor his agreement

No point in negotiating with russia because russians are proven liars with no honor...

Interestingly it looks like russia wants to 'blame' Ukraine....

Meanwhile.... in Rostov and Belhorod police are put under high alert....

Some reports that Wagner was being picked up from Belarus.... by who?

Other reports that Wagner's internet connections have beencut....

And putain bravely flew to a bunker where he will wait out whatever happens until it's safe for him to stick his cowardly nose outside.....

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #795

....that all sounds so not like Putin....

Why do you think that?

Stupid Italians...

Not "Italians", but one Italian. And where did you get that quote? Could you provide a link? :)

Interestingly it looks like russia wants to 'blame' Ukraine....

I wouldn't be surprised, they're blaming Ukrainians for everything lol However, the "crash" happened in RuSSia, so I wonder how they would explain that lol

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #796

Stupid Italians...What do they know

Na ja....they have an unfortunate image as surrender monkeys... ;)

Why do you think that?

...no window involved.....no poison.....his attacks have always been highly specialized, only for the one wanted target.

The shooting of a whole passenger aircraft with lotsa collateral damage is highly unusual for him, isn't it!

mafketis
23 Aug 2023  #797

acknowledge the situation on the ground and negotiate

putain promised prigozhin life in exchange for peace and less than two months later.... has him killed.... why on earth would any sane person negotiate with putain?

where did you get that quote

RT.com..... big surprise....

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #798

what a pity. was a wonderful man. 🤔

r

here, rakija brought by the aunt for the soul. it's customary.

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #799

The shooting of a whole passenger aircraft with lotsa collateral damage is highly unusual for him, isn't it!

But it wasn't a regular passenger plane, it was Wagner Group's private jet and there weren't that many passengers on board. There were 7 passengers plus 3 plane's crew members.

Allegedly those were the passengers:

Propustin Sergey
Makaryan Evgeniy
Totmin Aleksandr
Chekalov Valeriy
Utkin Dmitriy
Matuseev Nikolay
Prigozhin Evgeniy

It's possible that they wanted to take out both Prigozhin and Utkin at the same time.
And they can blame it on Ukrainians, as usual.

jon357
23 Aug 2023  #800

why on earth would any sane person negotiate with putain?

They don't.

Micron did, however he wanted publicity as a statesman (which he isn't) and was of course humiliated.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #801

But it wasn't a regular passenger plane, it was Wagner Group's private jet

New info....

But why the hell did they travel all together??? There is a reason why no gov or any other important group travels together, of course they make the perfect target!

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #802

There is a reason why no gov or any other important group travels together

You mean like on that plane in which Polish president Lech Kaczyński died in 2010? ;P

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #803

....it was a crash, wasn't it?

Tacitus
23 Aug 2023  #804

..his attacks have always been highly specialized, only for the one wanted target.

You are giving him too much credit here. Putin has ordered the assassination of people he considers traitors with colateral damage many times before. The poison used in Salisbury did affect in addition to the target his daughter and a police officer and it was just dumb luck that not more were injured. If you look up the murdered journalists who died after revealing the truth about Putin's corruption and crimea, I seem to recall quite a few of them died with some relatives.

Putin is a vindictive coward who hates nothing more than those who betray and /or humiliate him. Prigo did both, I have no doubt that Putin wanted him dead, no matter what.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #805

You are giving him too much credit here.

Still....often the first, logical explanation is the wanted one, but not the true one....

With these people you can never know!

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #806

Western sanctions are working, the plane crashed due to a lack of spare parts.

Crnogorac3
23 Aug 2023  #807

and fight to the last Ukrainian.

This is not a problem for Zelensky and his conductors. He will fight to the last Ukrainian if he has to. Then move on to the next group of Slavs that "there's not a shame in wasting". Hereby I mean the Poles.

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #808

....it was a crash, wasn't it?

Why are you asking? :)
You wrote that "no gov or any other important group travels together" and my point was that sometimes they do. On the board of the Polish plane that crashed in RuSSia in 2010 there were, besides the Polish president and his wife, two deputy Marshals of the Senate, the deputy Marshal of the Sejm, the chief commanders of all types of the Polish army, The Chief of the National Security Bureau, Polish MPs and senators and a bunch of other more or less important people.

You are giving him too much credit here.

I agree.
Putin launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of civillians and his own soldiers. Why would anyone think that Putin cares about collateral damage?

And it was/is suspected that Putin was behind the 1999 bombings in RuSSia that were used to justify the second war in Chechnya, which gave Putin rise to power and popularity:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

rferl.org/a/putin-russia-president-1999-chechnya-apartment-bombings/30097551.html

Bratwurst Boy
23 Aug 2023  #809

and my point was that sometimes they do.

.....and my point was that this is the reason the smarter ones don't!

There is no easier target than the whole of your enemy gov flying together....one could think an organization dealing in war and assassinations KNOWS that!

Why would anyone think that Putin cares about collateral damage?

He still cares about his image....and surely he cares for proof pointing at him, he does want to avoid that. Otherwise he would brag about it....

Paulina
23 Aug 2023  #810

@Bratwurst Boy, did Prigozhin strike you as a smart man? :P


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