Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Go Nikki Haley! spot on!

If you paid attention to what I write you'd have known that _days_ ago.... your nazi news sources leave you very far behind the rest of us.

Drawing comparisons with the war in Iraq is probably the most stupid argument that I've ever heard in my life and protecting US borders and supporting Ukraine are not mutually exclusive, they are both heavily linked as Nikki Haley points out very well.

Prigozhin Allegedly Dead After Plane Listing Him as Passenger Crashes with No Survivors

dailystormer.in/prigozhin-allegedly-dead-after-plane-listing-him-as-passenger-crashes-with-no-survivors/

From a trusted Serbian/Russia source i was sent this regarding Prigozhin's death. I tend to agree and many pointed the finger at the direction of the US Deep State as soon as the news broke

"My opinion is that Prigozhin was killed by the West. They have people on their payroll in all key places in Russia and there's no limit to how much they pay $$$$$ to a good traitor!

Putin certainly did not order this, why would he do it, nor did Wagner ever threaten him, nor was there any more a shred of danger from Wagner inside Russia!

This is the west's action to shake up Putin and Russia!
Prigozhin and Wagnerians stood on the border of NATO and Poland, and Kiev trembled!

I am sure that the Wagner Group will have a new and even more dangerous leader !
Svetlaa Pamjat and the Kingdom of Heaven Heroes of Russia!"

Wow, dude, you're HILARIOUS!! :D ;D

You went from "Putin did it" to "the US did it" in a span of just a few hours! LOL

Your bosses in that RuSSian troll factory can't make up their mind, huh? :D

This is pathetic... lol

Happy Ukrainian Independence Day!!

Happy Independence Day, Ukraine! 🌻🇺🇦

@Paulina

only a fool does not change his stance towards evidence and facts, but blindly clings to them regardless of everything. and it is even better when one begins to imagine a reality that does not exist in order to maintain that stance.

@Crnogorac3, and what new "evidence and facts" have you found out about in a span of a few hours?? :D

Reading the comments of Russian Telegram users, most of them pity Prigozh. Wagner had some symbolism, I would even say that it gave motivation and was a kind of a mover for the Russian society in these difficult times for that nation. I would say they are proud of Wagner's power and might.

Also let's now forget that they made serious inroads in the Middle East (Syrian war) and Africa where they chased out the French in Mali, CAF, Burkina Faso, Niger.

cfr.org/in-brief/what-russias-wagner-group-doing-africa

Don't kid yourself.

Without Russian diplomatic, military, and financial cover - Wagner would be capable of didley squat in all those locales.

It was a tool, that's all it was. There's nothing to indicate it won't be available further, after Prigozhin's death. They'll appoint someone else there.

It's also worth remembering how Wagner got blasted to oblivion by the Americans once in Syria when the Ruski MOD decided to direct them towards a Kurd-held oil field.

He didn't draw comparisons with the WAR in Iraq, he said "the SAME PEOPLE who sent us to Iraq...Viet Nam."

He's talking about politicians and advisors who entangle America in foreign wars that drain resources and are questionable in that they protect legit American interests.


How are they linked? The Southern border of America is porous. Most who cross the border are from Mexico and Central America...and most are looking to escape poverty and local strife.

The border problem will exist whether or not the US supports Ukraine.

Vivek's position is that we need to allocate resources to secure the border, which directly affects the US, instead of allocating resources to a foreign country that is engaged in, what he believes, is a territorial war that has no end in sight.

@Bobko

Russia (state security) created Wagner, Russia paid and supplied Wagner with weapons, Russia shut down Wagner, when Prigozhin thought he could do as he wanted, end of story....

And even after that, call it what you want - coup attempt, because he was one of them, Prigozhin "got" a chance to rest in Belarus, which he did not fulfill. So he got the last warning, when they broke into his mansion and took the money, gold and those fake passports. He continued on and now he is done.

As Kania says: Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword....

24 Aug, 2023

North Korea issues nuclear warning over Ukraine

Pyongyang's defense chief has blasted Washington's push to provide Kiev with F-16s, saying it could trigger a global disaster

By supporting the delivery of advanced Western fighter jets to Ukraine, the US risks triggering an all-out nuclear stand-off, North Korean Defense Minister Kang Sun-nam said on Thursday, as quoted by state-run media.

According to the KCNA news agency, the minister argued that the Ukraine crisis is "an inevitable product of the hegemonic ambitions of the United States," which has made Russia its "main enemy" while violating Moscow's strategic security interests and pushing its NATO allies to "carry out ceaseless military threats."

Kang went on to say that Washington is "pushing the Ukraine crisis to the brink of a global nuclear war by handing over F-16 fighter jets to the puppet regime of [Ukrainian President Vladimir] Zelensky."

At the same time, the North Korean defense chief expressed support for what he said is Moscow's quest for justice and its attempts to "defend the sovereign rights of the state."

Pyongyang's warning of a potential nuclear confrontation echoes earlier comments by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who cautioned that Moscow would consider the acquisition of F-16s by Ukraine as "a nuclear threat from the West," noting that this type of aircraft can carry atomic weapons.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that should the West proceed with sending F-16s to Ukraine, the aircraft "will burn" just the same as the other military equipment provided to Kiev.

rt.com/news/581763-north-korea-f16-ukraine-nuclear-war/

GOP Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy Blasted for Putin 'Appeasement' Plan

this Indian has the best policies out of the entire Republicunt field. look at all the comments on Jewsweek from kikes and white leftist scum attacking him

Republican 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy faced backlash online for his "appeasement" towards Russian President Vladimir Putin after recently saying the United States' goal should "not be for Putin to lose" the Russia-Ukraine war.

While speaking to CNN anchor Jim Acosta on Thursday, Ramaswamy was asked if he would give parts of Ukraine to Putin.

"I would freeze the current lines of control and that would leave parts of the Donbas region with Russia," he responded. "I would also further make a commitment that NATO would not admit Ukraine to NATO."

Acosta told the presidential hopeful "that sounds like a win for Putin," which Ramaswamy countered, "Our goal should not be for Putin to lose, our goal should be for America to win."

Meanwhile, Ramaswamy has previously made negative comments about President Joe Biden's aid to Ukraine saying in June that he would "not spend another dime of American money on a war that does not affect our interests."

newsweek.com/gop-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-blasted-putin-appeasement-plan-1821083

So he is aligned with dinosaurs like Kissinger, Sarkozy and Schroeder plus the late Berlusconi. All on Udmurtia's payroll.

Iraq shouldn't even be mentioned at all in this case, we are on the defence here. Nikki Haley is correct when she says that Ukraine is America's first line of defence.

The border crisis is as a result of complete national apathy, you think that handing Russia over to Ukraine is going to help that apathy? Or is standing shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine going to help America rediscover something it's lost?

And lastly Crnogorac3 fully endorses this **** what does that tell you?

So a serious question - not trolling

What does the average Udmurtian think of Putler shooting down his own citizens in broad daylight with a missile ? That is including the pilot and flight attendant who were presumably just doing their jobs.

In Poland that would be greeted with revulsion and incredulity. What are people saying about that in the 24 hour sushi bars ?

"Western world" is so thoroughly make deadly enemies for itself around the globe, so Stinger, shipped by NATO to Ukraine and then resold on a black market may be used by anyone with enough motivation and moderate funding.

In a 9/11 day I was scared and disgusted by Arabs, dancing on streets and giving away sweeties as it is done there in a big holiday... Now I completely understand them.

So...

As r*SSia has certainly done by their atrocities in Ukraine.

That simply is not true. Polls show anywhere between 66-70-plus percent of Americans want the border secured to one degree or another. Apathy isn't the problem. The problem is political, whether it's ideology, special interest pressures, or agreement to pass needed funding.

America is in crisis, but whether we support Ukraine or not is not going to help us find something we lost.

Nikki Haley is dead wrong, IMO. This is not a fight of good v evil, and it certainly isn't our first line of defense.

Ukraine is and remains a thoroughly dysfunctional and corrupt country, it does not represent the "good". The only difference now is that it has our sympathy. Our sympathy, however, does not negate Ukraine's dysfunction and corruption.

Russia has not been an economic or military threat to the US. The biggest threat it posed was allying with China to hit certain pressure points that would threaten to weaken America. Since the 90's, especially Clinton giving Russia the finger over Yugoslavia and George W Bush courting Ukraine (W loved foreign oil and gas), American policy toward Russia of discounting their concerns and thumbing our nose at them has been anything but aligned with the long-held American stance of making sure Russia and China are closer to us than they are to each other.

This doesn't mean the Russian invasion isn't wrong--it is; however, IMO, ignoring or outright discounting Russian security concerns doesn't serve our security interests either.

Putin is not going to lay down and give up. It is highly plausible that in Putin's mind, not having access to Crimea is fatal to Russian security. This is about survival for him. He has a lot to lose. He doesn't strike me as a guy who accepts losing--he'd rather go down in the shadows of a mushroom cloud--and that serves no one's interest.

Vivek's plan needs more muscle, but Haley's stance is typical neo-con war dog sh!t...and that only serves the interest of defense vendors.


That he endorses it.

I do because "Western culture" is on a suicide mission. The morons know it but can't stop themselves without first repudiating all their sick ideas and beliefs about equality of races, the evils of discrimination, and other such crap.

For me her stance also serves the interests of Poland and actually the survival of Poland itself, but you think it's all just MIC bs?


And he's a strong supporter of Russia

No, things are typically more complex than reducing it to one thing.

The amount of money involved in defense contracts is stupendous. That's why those defense vendors spend 100s of millions on lobbying. Plus, the military likes to see how the weapons work in theater. So, yeah, MIC is a part of it, but not the only part.


I know-maybe this is one of those times when a blind squirrel catches a net every now and again.

The vilest individuals often are.

r*SSia now has fewer and fewer options and Ukraine has had some very good news today and more to come.

What are the other parts? Just asking...

Zelensky admits Kiev's counteroffensive 'very difficult'
Ukraine has reportedly lost thousands of troops since it launched its military operation in early June

Hey, Zhole, quadratic equations are "difficult". The battle of Stalingrad was "difficult". Liberating Poland by the Red Army (thank you, guys) was difficult.

Sending your men on a suicide mission was not "difficult". Any moron could do it.

It was criminal because you knew the outcome. That makes you a war criminal.

Quoting:

Thug Zelensky has a .00000000000000000001 % chance of beating Russia.

I didn't know that it was this good.

The BBC were squealing about the "tens of thousands of troops" that Ukraine needs. Well now we know the truth, they have been getting slaughtered.

Sounds logical...

Just a quick inexhaustive list of possibilities without deserved explanations: deterrence, multilateralism, trade, oil and gas, cold war hangover, Biden's personal interests, hubris....