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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



Velund
11 Aug 2023  #241

dying for their motherland

Crimea, Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov - never was motherland for banderites from lands known in poland as Kresy Wschodnie, and never will... Maybe, when we will storm Lemberg.... But for now we are fighting against someone who come to Russian historic lands for a ethnic cleanising.

pawian
11 Aug 2023  #242

never was motherland

BS. Ukrainians from the East and Central Ukraine are fighting against Russians like lions. Most of the Ukrainian soldiers who resisted Russians and their supporters in Donbas around 2014 came from the area.

to Russian historic lands

hahahaha Is the Russian tank driving in my eye??? hahahaha

pawian
11 Aug 2023  #243

storm Lemberg

Really? You weren`t even able to storm Kyiv so stop talking bs. :):):)

mafketis
11 Aug 2023  #244

ussian historic lands

honestly.. russians are such goobers... they ought to nename the country Gooberland....

here's a clue, goober.

"russian historic lands" in Ukraine = not russia

you have your own country where you can break things, and make everything dirty and ugly and steal from each other and be violent against each other (all the things russians love, basically) so there's no need for you to be in Ukraine (in its 1991 borders) is no longer russia... the longer you put off getting out the more painful it will be.

Velund
11 Aug 2023  #245

Ukraine (in its 1991 borders) is no longer russia...

Why not borders of 1913 for example? ;) Borders on the map is not something carved in stone. NATO come - and Kosovo is not Serbia anymore (someone said something about ethnic cleanising). Now Russia decided that ethnic cleanising of Russian people is underway - and Donbass is not Ukraine anymore.

You can squeal about it like a piglet with a knife stuck in its ass - all you can do is go in there as cannon fodder. More idiots buried there, a cleaner world.

mafketis
11 Aug 2023  #246

Why not borders of 1913 for example?

Why not future borders where Królowiec reverts to its rightful owners, goober?

ussia decided that ethnic cleanising of Russian people is underway

cause russians are all apathetic dolts who worship their tsar and are afraid of having their own opinions.... nation of filthy slaves...

go light a candle for uncle vova, slave....

twitter.com/Prune602/status/1689858407379976194

one reason to never forgive russians for their support of this invasion

twitter.com/av_dela12/status/1690086120694939649

russonazis, one and all, how does it feel to be a nazi, you nazi goober?

Velund
11 Aug 2023  #247

Why not future borders where Królowiec reverts to its rightful owners

Are YOU ready to kill and die to make it happen?

mafketis
11 Aug 2023  #248

Are you read to go to Ukraine and take part in a "meat assault"?

I would certainly support the return of not-historically-russia-at-all Królowiec to a more decent country... whether Germany, or divided between Poland and Lithuania (or granted to Czechia even).

And since the Baltic is now a NATO lake.... what could russia actually do?

If russia's gonna get all horny about traditional russian lands that should mean you're ready to give up lands that do not fall under the category of "traditional russian" and Królewiec (aka Konigsburg) certainly belongs to that category.

Or are russians just a bunch of hypocritical thieves?

Can't have it both ways....

pawian
11 Aug 2023  #249

Are YOU ready

Stop twisting. You suggested 1913 borders and Maf reminded you about Konigsberg which wasn`t Russian then.
Maf, a good logical incursion into his territory. Velund is at a loss of words now. :):):)

mafketis
11 Aug 2023  #250

Velund is at a loss of words now

he'll be crying about being a victim any moment now.... (since crying about being a victim if the national sport of russia... what a disgusting self-pitying culture)

Novichok
12 Aug 2023  #251

youtu.be/pOsWUA7cK50

Are YOU ready to kill and die to make it happen?

No, he is not.

Memo to all:

Take a moment to listen to this music, and think about the good men who will not be coming home...

Alien
12 Aug 2023  #252

Take a moment to listen to this music, and think about the good men who will not be coming home...

You don't play happy songs in times of war.

mafketis
12 Aug 2023  #253

Most russian thing ever?

Somebody gets a contract to provide the russian army with field rations, thinks "this will never be used" then pockets most of the money and just fills the cans with water....

notice the can says "stewed beef" (if google translate is correct)

twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1689732601026609152

Eat up boys!

mafketis
12 Aug 2023  #254

Take a moment to listen to this music, and think

Take a moment to listen to this and reflect on the fact that you support their killers...

twitter.com/Bielsat_pl/status/1689634589768310786

Crnogorac3
12 Aug 2023  #255

Aussie bimbo presenter tells jew guest 'this is great'

Aussie town building high-quality assault rifles used by Ukrainian troops

video

youtu.be/a93Pltw6Bog

msn.com/en-au/news/other/aussie-town-building-high-quality-assault-rifles-used-by-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA1f87Si

jew says that 75% of Aussies support Australia arming jewkraine

Crnogorac3
12 Aug 2023  #256

CNN'S IMPROMPTU POLL ON UKRAINE GOES WRONG

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/XNWRhMSLjSwC/

anthony68drake
Its funny how these CIA trained "journalists" use their pleating, soft, slow and "reasonable" voice to try and coerce agreement and compliance from the populace with the official narrative, whatever that may be at the time.

CNN STARTING TO GET NERVOUS: "ABRAMS TANKS WON'T MAKE DIFFERENCE"
WATCH

bitchute.com/video/qj8ywEHtPoWy/

Novichok
12 Aug 2023  #257

"ABRAMS TANKS WON'T MAKE DIFFERENCE"

Turns out that the mongols know how to locate them and kill them. Damn mongols...Mongols are not supposed to know how to do it...

GefreiterKania
12 Aug 2023  #258

ABRAMS TANKS WON'T MAKE DIFFERENCE

Nothing will make a difference as long as Ukrainians are not really willing to conduct anything resembling a proper counter-offensive...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raport-ukraina-rosja/news-niemieccy-wojskowi-ostro-o-ukrainie-wyciekl-tajny-dokument-b,nId,6925323

... Bundeswehr military experts claim that Ukraine wastes the potential of western-trained units and the equipment they received. Apparently, most of 63,000 Ukrainian troops trained in the West hasn't been used in the offensive yet (the article was written at the end of July).

Perhaps Ukrainians have some better use of those units and equipment in mind than wasting them for attacking Russian positions?

Bratwurst Boy
12 Aug 2023  #259

....or maybe they want to save them for later?

That war seems to develop into the worst case, into a war of attrition....

GefreiterKania
12 Aug 2023  #260

...or maybe they want to save them for later?

Like for after the war? Or for the next war?

But I thought they wanted to regain their lost territories? To liberate them from horrible, criminal, genocidal occupation - every day counts in such cases, right? What's going on?

That war seems to develop into the worst case, into a war of attrition...

Yes. Because there isn't any meaningful counteroffensive going on.

When there are no offensives on either side, the war turns into a war of attrition.

The problem is: Russians are running our of everything, they have no ammo left, they are eating rat sandwiches, Putin has eleven cancers - so no wonder they are not attacking. But Ukraine? Why do they keep most of the forces they were supposed to use for this offensive away from the front? It puzzles Bundeswehr experts and it puzzles me.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Aug 2023  #261

What's going on?

Na ja.....when you compare it to WWII....our armies also made it till up to Moscow...and without all the allied help who knows if we couldn't have put down the Soviets.

Putin didn't even made it to Kiev and this time Ukraine gets all the support....it might still take a few years like back then...."wanting" isn't enough, for no side!

GefreiterKania
12 Aug 2023  #262

"wanting" isn't enough

Exactly. It's not enough to want to regain lost territories. You have to send your army there (i.e. conduct an offensive). No?

Bratwurst Boy
12 Aug 2023  #263

No?

I'm no insider....but Russia had alot more time to prepare, I believe the Ukrainians are learning by doing, also from their errors and failures...what else there is! *shrugs*

Crnogorac3
12 Aug 2023  #264

THIS URSULA VON DER LYIN' QUOTE DIDN'T AGE WELL

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/BzSeX5ww7YFy/

COLONEL AND EX-CHIEF OF STAFF FOR COLIN POWELL SAYS THE TRUTH ABOUT UKRAINE WAR

Ukraine is Russia. Was, is and will be. The Russian Armed Forces will defeat the Ukrainian army of the United States and NATO. The NATO bloc will fall apart, a new security system will be built in Europe, taking into account the interests of Russia.

Ex-Colonel of the US Armed Forces, ex-chief of staff of Secretary of State Colin Powell Lawrence Wilkerson - about the prospects of Ukraine: This is a disaster. It was a disaster from the very beginning. And any military expert who isn't paid by the media or stupid knows it's an uphill battle. Even if NATO throws everything it can into battle except its soldiers, this is a losing proposition for Ukraine.

There is no way they can win, and this, unfortunately, is obvious to the Ukrainians. And now they are operating in offensive versus defensive mode, and they are being ground down. And there are not enough of them to be ground. This is what you get when you have such an imbalance between the balance of power. On the one hand, you have one of the most powerful industrial bases in the world. You have a strategic depth that the Nazis could not even penetrate. One of the best armies on earth. On the other hand, you have stamina and stubbornness. And you are trying to break Russia not with the help of the Wehrmacht, not with the help of the German military machine, you are trying to break it with the help of NATO backed Ukraine, without any real fundamental support on the battlefield in the form of soldiers, aircraft in the air, ships in the sea and etc.

They will lose, and this, in my opinion, is the whole tragedy. As a military professional, it is quite clear to me that they will lose, and yet we support them to the last dead Ukrainian. We're staying there because we're making fortunes, in particular, Lockheed Martin makes big money, Raytheon makes big money. There are other people who make money from this in other ways. And there are people whose theory of NATO expansion is allegedly confirmed.


WATCH

bitchute.com/video/roKWcEIMLYKT/

Ironside
12 Aug 2023  #265

It puzzles Bundeswehr experts

What experts? That is a new war and new rules apply. It make look like they doing somthing wrong if you do realy on some outdated books and manuals that had not been in use for genarations and those so called experts had not seen any combat either.

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Germans promise a lot but do a little anyways.
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You know Kania I'm on Poland side always but you need to have a clear view what is what and what fair and stop reacting with emotions. Its pointless.

here to calm your ass:D

youtu.be/1LX-6OgF_bk

GefreiterKania
12 Aug 2023  #266

You know Kania I'm on Poland side always

I know.

But this war is the most f*cked up, dodgy and fishy affair, and very few things about it are what they seem.

here to calm your ass:D

Not my cup of tea. Try this...

youtu.be/AE1FzSC8DBs

...or something also about a mother...

youtu.be/DnDPWPom9Tw

:)

johnny reb
12 Aug 2023  #267

Follow the money

mafketis
12 Aug 2023  #268

Ukrainians are not really willing to conduct anything resembling a proper counter-offensive...

Hard to do an effective counter-offensive without air superiority which western countries have been dragging their feet on....

They're not doing bad in terms of shaping operations and weakening russian logistics (like cutting of transport routes to Crimea) but either western countries want Ukraine to do something kind of impossible or they want to drag this out as long as possible to cripple russia as much as possible (without it actually collapsing which is an idea they're afraid of....)

Bobko
12 Aug 2023  #269

They're not doing bad in terms of shaping operations and weakening russian logistics

It was possible to entertain this narrative in April, and even in May. Not now.

Soon we will be in September, and then shortly after the campaigning season will be over (at least for Ukraine). You can't still be at the stage of "shaping operations".

No, the offensive started in June, when we saw the first Leopards with mine clearing equipment get blown up. Since then, Ukraine has retaken less than 1% of the territory under Russian control - at the expense of a substantial portion of the Western equipment which was transferred for the offensive.

In a seeming attempt to distract its own population, as well as keep the Twitter cheerleaders happy - they started crashing drones into French-owned supermarkets and downtown Moscow skyscrapers.

Novichok
12 Aug 2023  #270

Ukraine has retaken less than 1% of the territory under Russian control

I just found out from RT comments that the English RT does not report Russia's successes the way the Russian RT does.
Can you comment?


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