Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

I disagree with what he said here though:

'Katchanovski said MPs should have realized what was happening as soon as Rota introduced Hunka as a "Ukrainian Canadian war veteran from the Second World War who fought for Ukrainian independence against the Russians."'

I somehow doubt that Canadians know anything much about the history of Ukraine, so why would that make them realise anything? o_O This sounds like a RuSSian way of thinking. Especially that Poles fought against the Soviets for the independence of Poland too and that didn't make them automatically members of Nazi units... lol


I'm not "inventing excuses", I'm just using my brain, unlike you o_O


You're seriously sick in the head.

Well, Soros also used his brains in Bucharest getto.

@ConstantineK, also, you're a Katyń-denier, for God's sake! lol You're the last person to lecture others on history, etc. 🤮

I am not the denier. I am just blaming the right side for this atrocity.

WWII was a very intricate complicated affair especially in Eastern Europe... esp since Ukrainians had the terrible choice of fighting for the soviets who'd murdered millions of them a few years before or the Germans about whose ultimate plans they didn't really know... (similar stories played out in other countries as well).

But in the popular imagination it's been reduced to a few memes that differ by country.... (Pearl Harbor - US; the Blitz - UK; Stalingrad - ussr>russia; Warsaw Uprising - Poland).

But again, this event was trivial, should be forgotten in the interest of expelling russian invaders from Ukraine.... eyes on the prize.

Sure, it must be forgotten, though i think Volyn massacre must be forgotten as well :))) that was just another terrible choice for the ukrainians... eyes on prize, you are right. But what is the prize than?

You're denying the responsibility of the Soviet Union for the Katyń massacre. I call such RuSSians "Katyń-deniers" for short.


You're actually much worse than that Anthony Rota guy. The pot calling the kettle black, huh.




What "event" was "trivial"? WTF are you talking about?

No more than you, Poles, denying mass killings of thousands and thousands of the Russians in Poklish concentration camps after Russo-Polish war.

These are Canadians, not Bhutanese or Afghanis. Their countrymen fought in WW2 in large numbers, and in Canada's conception of itself the conflict plays a huge role.

Members of Parliament are typically a bit more educated than the average Joe. It beggars belief, that such high level officials could be so incredibly ignorant.

However, it's possible that the exceptional "wokeness" of Canadian politicians, blinded them to all other factors, after they heard the words "fought against the Russians for Ukrainian independence". The magic words were uttered, and all appeared suddenly kosher.

Not so difficult to believe, when on PF here we have people like Pawian that say Ukrainian massacres against Poles were justified by centuries of "colonization".

I am not aware of any documents confirming RuSSian allegations, while there are documents signed by Stalin and others ordering the murder of thousands of Polish officers in Katyń and other places. So, you're denying something that was confirmed by Soviet documents and... your beloved Putin :)

Also, even RuSSians that I've discussed with didn't claim that there were any "mass killings", but that Soviet soldiers were being neglected/not helped on purpose in those POW camps.

Russian attempts to subdue Ukraine??? it is like a herd of cows tried to subdue a pack of wolves. hahahaha


aka Russian azholes. DF them and their stalinist grandpas too.

Very convenient. You know i just changed my mind. I am not placing the blame on Germans. Those polish POWs killed themselves.

The guy being introduced and applauded.... don't people get context here? It was either a case of support staff not doing their job or deliberate sabotage. Engaging with and making a big deal out of it doesn't serve any useful purpose (except for russians)

I understand a "special" russian misunderstanding on purpose, but I expected more from you....


russians out of Ukraine... out of all of Ukraine....

Yes exactly, it is what i have just said, these polish POWs were neglected and killed themselves

Ho-ho-ho!

Providing standing ovations to SS veterans is not a big deal! Don't take your eyes off the prize, boys and girls, and keep your hatred laser-focused on Russia.

Maf has invented a new twist, to the old quote attributed to FDR: "Somoza may be a son of a b!tch, but he's our son of a b!tch."

The new rendition, goes something like this: "Hunka may be a Nazi war criminal, but he's our Nazi war criminal."

Poles just have Capo role in this big western concentration camp, as i said.

Not even this. They died of various diseases which were normal in a war torn country like Poland: typhoid, flue, dysentery, cholera. Poland was too poor to treat them all - there were about 80.000 of them. 80.000! They are to blame for their own death coz why did they invade Poland and come as close as Warsaw? Their fekking fault.

PS. Our motto in this thread - jebać ruskich imperialistów!

Nope. Not at all.

Bobko, seriously... lol I'm not even sure if they teach in Western Europe (let alone North America) what was happening in Ukraine (or Poland - besides death camps) at that time except for maybe "Ukrainians were helping the Nazis in killing Jews"... I think you overestimate the knowledge of Westerners in general about this part of Europe.


Ah, OK. I disagree it should be just brushed off though - they should be checking whom they're inviting/improve their historical knowledge...


Hey, noone stops you from posting any documents in another thread! :)

Could you take a pain to explain me the difference between killing people by shot in head and starving them to death? Personally i see no difference may be except the fact that shooting is less painful.

Duly noted, Maf.

Ukraine owes you some kind of Order of Merit, or at least a personal audience at the local embassy in Warsaw.

Improving the staffing of Canadian governmental ministers is outside of the expertise or abilities of... everyone here. And the more you talk about it the more you empower russians and their idiotic 'all Ukrainians are nazis' topic.

Life is too short to engage with russians.... seriously, you've tried, what were the results?

You're doing yourself a disservice by making such comments...


I'm not the only one talking about it here, maf. You are doing it too.


I somehow doubt that you will be running around internet forums claiming that there were "mass killings" happening in Soviet gulags though :))

It's called Reuctio ad absurdum... dont' be so literal....

@maf, then your "reuctio ad absurdum" was rather lost on me, I'm afraid, and can escape other readers too... I think it's better to be "literal" concerning such issues, because you're just giving ammo to RuSSian trolls...

I was playing along... pretending that everybody in that hall knew the guy had served with the SS and saying that wasn't a big deal.... the obvious absurdity is revealed which deflates the initial claim very effectively....


arguing with them and taking their claims seriously gives them ammo.... keep doing that if you want (I'd rather bang my head against a wall for an hour, it would be a more productive use of my time and would hurt less, but if that's what you're into... carry on).

Please leave your posing. I dont think you are stupid and certainly we understand each other. The Russians have their own claims to Poland and if Polad blames us, we can blame them in response. Shall i remind you that according to Geneva convention, the side who takes POWs must take care of them. Any references to negligence look stupid in this regard.

Stop lying. They died of diseases, not malnutrition. They had enough food, which was corroborated by inspections from Western countries.


We need to debunk their filthy lies here.

So POWs in Katyn died from lead poisoning.

Maf, there are RuSSians who translate handpicked comments and discussions from internet forums into RuSSian and help RuSSian propaganda in this way... Maybe try to keep that in mind...


I don't see how debunking their claims is giving them ammo.


Yeah, I actually enjoy debunking false claims, fake news and all kinds of bullsh1t of f*cked up a$$holes, Putinists included :)) (at least from time to time lol)