Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 15

Moldova just had elections and a referendum amid alleged russian atempts to influence the outcome...

In one place a woman voted the asked an election monitor when she was going to be paid....

I'd heard of vote buying (you take a picture of your ballot as proof) in both russia and romania (as well as ways of getting around it with pieces of black string) so it's not surprising here as well.

Nonetheless the russia-favored options (esp referendum about theEU) narrowly failed.

Apparently a decisive factor in the latter were votes from the diaspora (mostly in the EU) and very strongly in favor of Moldova being headed in that direction.

x.com/sarahrainsford/status/1848306963647451616

Provided just 10000 printed bulletins and just 2 polling stations for approx 500000 citizens of Moldova, living in Russia, and a lot of polling stations with more than enough bulletins in EU countries. And after this and numerous violations on polling stations inside Moldova - just fraction of percent of "win", that will be challenged in court by the opposition.

Boo hoo hoo

Given the number of elections that r*SSia has tried you interfere in, you can shut your festering gob this time.

Provide full list, please.

I hope it was not Russians who throw in extra bulletins for Biden in a just closed polling stations?

Wherein Moldovan law does it outline how many polling stations and printed ballots they are required to have for citizens abroad... especially those living in hostile countries?

When dealing with terrorists, you have to assume that every terrorist is a civilian and every civilian is a terrorist. If you don't, you die.

Many Americans died in Iraq because they didn't immediately kill cute 14-year-old boys carrying IEDs in their backpacks.

In Gaza, they elected terrorists to kill Israelis. Elections have consequences.

One more thing...Gazans danced on 9/11. Fvck 'em...

And russians attack a residential building in Sumy (I'm sure some soldier or other has been with a few dozen kilometers of the building within the last 15 years so russians think it's a legitimate military target).

The russians did manage to kill a 14 year old girl which will make Ukrainians love them and want to join them....

x.com/blyskavka_ua/status/1848703656104706295

NATO comes closer!


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From the Russian point of view, the commissioning of the NATO headquarters in Rostock violates the Two Plus Four Treaty of 1990. The treaty, which sealed German unification internationally, excluded the stationing of "armed forces of other states" on the territory of the former GDR...

....comes frome someone who has no qualms to violate a neighbours borders....na ja....

Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs decides to close russian consulate in Poznań

deets here:

gloswielkopolski.pl/rosyjski-konsulat-w-poznaniu-zamkniety-to-nie-pierwszy-raz-juz-wczesniej-zapadla-taka-decyzja/ar/c1p2-26910671

...but the original link is in german....I thought to provide the english translation automatically... may be fine too..

*slinks away dejected*

In criminal law, it matters who threw the first punch - A or B.

In this case, A - NATO - threw the first punch against B - Russia. NATO moved to Russia. Russia didn't move to NATO. In fact Russia dissolved the Warsaw Pact.

What A and B did to others in the past is 100% irrerelvant until the case reaches the sentencing phase.

No, that isn't what matters. If somebody is threatening you, presents a clear threat to you, has the ability to carry out that threat, you have no means to safely retreat and the threat is imminent, you are legally entitled to strike first. In the case of Russia, well, how many European countries has Russia invaded and/or occupied since the birth of NATO? And how many has NATO?

Don't argue with him Novi, he was a British officer in the Army so he knows.

Russia didn't occupy any Euro country.

In fact, the opposite happened. Russia removed its army from Poland after 1990 and let other EEs go their own way.


...you file a report with the police.

To claim self-defense, words do not count. Physical threat has to be immediate - within seconds..."Because he might" does not count.

For that Germany is still grateful to our beloved Herr Gorbatschev and his Frau Raissa....but be honest, that was a decision young Putin, then part of the KGB in Germany, absolutely hated and till today does everything to revert!

Don't you own a gun ' because someone might"?

...and he is right. Showing weakness is how you die quickly.

As far as that "revert" part...

Keeping NATO out of Ukraine is not reverting. It's preventing. Just as we prevent cancer from spreading by any means necessary...including amputations...

Dissolving the USSR was the biggest suicidal blunder ever. Within days, a superpower became pitiful anarchy.

God had a different plan and gave Russia Putin.


Yes. But I don't shoot the guy at my doorstep because he might...

Possesing and acting are two different things. We have nukes but we didn't use them because the threat didn't reach the red line.

Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine would beg to differ.

Exactly. That's why Ukraine joining NATO is like owning a gun.

N. Korea sent troops to Russia so now S. Korea is sending some of their military personnel to Ukraine.
N. Korea is just itching for a war with the U.S.

....could quickly become a korean proxy war on the soil of Ukraine!

They can beg all they want.

When your neighbor is planning to host MS-13, you have every right to invade his house before they move in.

Russia didn't invade Georgia because there was nothing good on TV that day.

There is no Russian army in Ukraine. It's the other way...There is Ukrainian army in Russia. They will all die but that's another subject...

Exactly, no country not intending to invade a NATO country need worry about it.


While useless western 'leaders' like Biden and Scholz dither about the dangers of 'escalation' russia escalates all the time.... and the same useless western leaders are trying to deny it's happening which means more escalation from russia is coming...

Being in NATO is like being pregnant. Either you are or you are not.
U is not in NATO and never will be without Russia's consent.
Just as Mexico would not be allowed to join the Warsaw Pact without US's permission.

Children, let me explain the difference between countries and individual people.

To get ready to defend myself from some drugged-up azhole who will try to invade my house, I need three days to get a gun. Once I have it, I need to show that I was under immediate threat of bodily injury or death. Immediate = less than 10 seconds. Even one day is not short enough to claim self-defense.

A country needs decades to get ready for a similar situation. In such cases, immediate is a lot longer. It's only in the stupid movies catering to stupid women liks Paulina that the good guys have to be shot at first to respond in kind. In those idiotic movies, the bad guy always misses. Now the good guy has a license to kill...still only under some conditions.

Israel is the best example of why pussies like Barney hate them.

They hit first in 1967. Good move, my Israeli friends. When they fell asleep in 1973,...you know the rest.

Bottom line: Western Russia-craving warmongers crossed Putin's red line in 2014 and when they added "NATO" to the Ukrainian constitution. Bad moves, azholes...

Unless it was intentional and meant to provoke Russia - just as Hamas deliberately provoked Israel on 10.7.

Sorry but weren't you the one telling us Russia attacked because it was fearing Ukraine in NATO? So what is it?

Precisely: they got proxy forces to invade and then sent in "peace keepers".


The Russian army is in parts of Ukraine that Russia agreed to be parts of Ukraine. Russia's refusal to honour its commitments given in the Budapest agreement have ensured that no nuclear-armed nation will ever again give up its nuclear weapons.


Ukraine is an independent nation and will do whatever its people wants it to do. Spoiler alert: that includes joining both the EU and NATO, and there is nothing North Nigeria can do to stop it.

What people? The dead or the refugees...

You want to play stupid? Go ahead and keep digging...and don't forget that condition of admission: The applicant country cannot have unresolved territorial issues.

Russia will make sure there will be unresolved territorial issues. Think "pre-existing medical condition"... Or trying to buy insurance to cover the car you just wrecked.

American warmongers maybe evil and greedy but they are not stupid...

....and there are treaties!

I wonder if Putin has a point with the new naval headquarter in Rostock....but probably not as it is "also" meant for NATO works but should not count as "stationing of foreign troops in East Germany", so I read....

But Ukraine hasn't made such kind of treaty with Russia before, right?

When a guy with a big first is threatened he can ignore or cancel any treaty that would help his enemies.

The US properly gave the ICC the middle finger. I am absolutely sure that arresting a US soldier and bringing him to the Hague would not end well for the Hague.

A short email to the Dutch would be enough to have him on the way back home. That's what I would do. Next day, Rotterdam port would be unusable...