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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18



jon357
22 Jan 2025  #511

For all trumpet's many many faults, I was pleased to see this:

"All of that being said, I'm going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin a very big favour - settle now, and stop this ridiculous war!"
"We can do it the easy way, or the hard way"
Russian ultranationalist philosopher Alexander Dugin, known as 'Putin's Brain' issued a chilling warning to Donald Trump about the threat of assassination

mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-donald-trump-issues-ultimatum-34533760

Bye bye Orcs...

Novichok
22 Jan 2025  #512

For all trumpet's many many faults,

Hey, azfvcker...How much more is "many many" vs just "many"?

Trumpet gets azfvcker...

jon357
22 Jan 2025  #513

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, after all.

And good that he seems to be coming down hard on r*SSia.

mafketis
22 Jan 2025  #514

stole $300 billion of our foreign currency reserves.

You're the ones that want to be free of a rules based order...... welcome to a no rules based order!

Welcome to suckersville, population: russia

Korvinus
22 Jan 2025  #515

That kind of scale of theft will make even Putin blush.

You invaded every single neighbor that is not a Nato member. And broke 100% of deals signed. We either get into NATO or they wouldn't leave us alone.

Can you name one ru neightbor which ru didn't invaded and is not in Nato?

Ps now Finland is on Nato and can target St Petesburg

Korvinus
22 Jan 2025  #516

For all trumpet's many many faults, I was pleased to see this:

It would be funny if the KGB dwarf decided to negotiate with Trump like he did with Zelensky.

Back in 2022, Zelensky's negotiation team was willing to remove the NATO bid if he got other serious security guarantees that wouldn't be unilaterally broken by ru and a referendum with a vote counted by a third party in Dongabe and Luganda. But they refused the suicidal demands, like destroying 40% of UA GDP and unilaterally breaking with Western investors, which would economically destroy Ukraine 10x more than the Treaty of Versailles did to Germany, and they explained why they couldn't do it and that the ""denazification"" aka Bolshevik cultism, would meet fierce population resistance and no way that the population would be willing to accept that. Do you know KGB dwarf response? Break their word about no annexations and unilaterally annex regions that, till this day, after golf kart zerg rush after zerg rush, didn't control and lie, spread lies that UA would have accepted the suicidal demands without Boris Johnson and poisoned with plutonium the UA negotiation team that explained why ua can't survive such stupid bad terms. Also demanded the right to veto any foreign help to UA in future.

If Russia decides to do the same to Trump's negotiation team, I wonder how the US government would react.

Novichok
22 Jan 2025  #517

welcome to a no rules based order!

Russia's main problem is that it plays by the rules...

The US, the country I adore, would turn Kiev into 1945 Dresden in less than a week, catch Z, and hang him... See Saddam.

That's how you win wars, Kutasinski...

pawian
23 Jan 2025  #518

it plays by the rules.

It doesn`t coz it murders civilians by dozens a week. Show me the rules for modern warfare which allow this.

Novichok
23 Jan 2025  #519

Show me the evidence.

pawian
23 Jan 2025  #520

evidence.

The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHCHR) recorded 40,176 civilian casualties in Ukraine between 24 February 2022 and 30 November 2024, including 12,340 killed and 27,836 wounded, but said the actual number could have been higher.

Novichok
23 Jan 2025  #521

Hey, Russia haters,...I have good news and bad news for you...

Bad first:

Washington and its allies have frozen around $300 billion of sovereign Russian assets held in the Brussels-based Euroclear, since the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022.

That was not nice...

Now the good news:

Russia drafting new law to seize Western assets - media
The legislation is expected to target nations that unlawfully confiscate Moscow's funds and properties, Izvestia newspaper reports


Finally, even better good news:

The RF has already taken trillions of $ worth of Lithium reserves if we are to believe Lesley Graham's recent statement to Congress. All they need to do is keep advancing toward the West and take it all. The total value of Ukraine's rare earth deposits make 300 Billion $ seem like loose change.

Vlad, you are a genius...

jon357
23 Jan 2025  #522

If Russia decides to do the same to Trump's negotiation team, I wonder how the US government would react

Quite.

Not so much the political appointees but their Pentagon strategists are the tough opponents.

didn't control and lie, spread lies that UA would have accepted the suicidal demands without Boris Johnson

Various r*SSia apologists sat in their armchairs around the world swallow r*SSian lies. The diplomats and military don't.

r*SSia interpret silence as weakness. Theybare very very mistaken.

Korvinus
23 Jan 2025  #523

cnbc.com/2025/01/22/trump-threatens-russia-with-sanctions-tariffs-if-putin-doesnt-end-ukraine-war.html
"If we don't make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries," Trump wrote on Truth Social.'

Trump is threatening Putin with additional sanctions and tariffs if he doesn't come to the negotiation table

As appreciated as this rhetoric is I don't see it really influencing Putin much. We already have US sanctions on Russia and what difference would this threat make?

mafketis
23 Jan 2025  #524

don't see it really influencing Putin much

Not meant to.... I suspect it's an off ramp (expected to be refused) before much tougher action. Note that military aid to Ukraine was not included in the foreign aid freeze....

If the US is thinking strategically it wants to forestall mainland invasion of Taiwan...

see here: x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1882178202367606819

cms neuf
23 Jan 2025  #525

Well done for Trump - he hates the image of being weak in the face of Putler. Buys Ukraine some time and makes Putler and his regime of theiving drunks have to think through all the scenarios

And the have the starting point of being 6km outside Pokrovsk.

jon357
23 Jan 2025  #526

he hates the image of being weak in the face of Putler

He wants a Nobel (which he wont get) however if he terminates r*SSia and Putler in the process, who am I to judge...

Novichok
23 Jan 2025  #527

Trump is threatening Putin with additional sanctions and tariffs if he doesn't come to the negotiation table

Putin was ready to sign in Feb 2022. It was the Western war freaks that told Z not to.

Today, with one million plus men dead, U will get a lot less after negotiating what the Western Ukraine will be like. Donbass and Crimea are off the table - just as Hawaii, Alaska, and the rest of the 48 states.

Hey, JBhole, it was really stupid to send BJhole to see Zeehole. Really...

A reminder...Russia has already taken trillions of dollars worth of Lithium reserves...so you can keep Russia's stolen 300B.

Conclusion: Russia should learn from the US how to win in weeks, not years. The US should learn from Russia how to make wars profitable.

Freedom and democracy are a dime a dozen...plus nobody gives a shlt...

terminates r*SSia and Putler

...and biologically useless azfvckers who spread AIDS...

johnny reb
23 Jan 2025  #528

Putin is repeating a Soviet-era mistake, which is ruining Russia's economy, Poland's foreign minister said.
Speaking at Davos, Radoslaw Sikorski said Putin was overspending on the military and bankrupting Russia.
"He was very insistent that this mistake should not be repeated. And he's doing exactly that," he said.

pawian
23 Jan 2025  #529

And he's doing exactly that,"

Yes, paradoxically true, but he has no choice coz he wants to win at any cost, even collapsed economy.

johnny reb
23 Jan 2025  #530

even collapsed economy.

And the population

Novichok
23 Jan 2025  #531

Hey, JR, it's not your fault but your posts reminds me how fvcking stupid Polaks are...

I mean Russia is Poland's worst nightmare...we are told...Why would a Polish FM tell Russians that they are "bankrupting Russia"? A sane person would assure Russia that they are right and should continue on the road to national suicide.

If I was walking with my enemy and saw a big shlt on the sidewalk...would I try to warn him? I would do all I could to distract him and hope he would step into it.

pawian
23 Jan 2025  #532

Why would a Polish FM tell Russians that they are "bankrupting Russia"?

Because we are so decent that we care about everybody !!! E.g, I am constantly reminding you that your banning activity here is unhealthy for you!

I would do all I could to distract him and hope he would step into it.

Then, if it happened to me, I would grab your muzzle and stick it into that shyt, carefully wiping it off the sidewalk. hahaha buhahaha

Bobko
23 Jan 2025  #533

Trump is threatening Putin with additional sanctions and tariffs

Beyond meaningless.

I found a chart, from 2019, and pasting it below. This is three years before the war, and already we sold practically nothing to America.

We also don't buy much of anything from America.

Our economies are more or less completely disattached.

Since 2019, exports to China have doubled to more than $100B. So we trade with China almost 30X as much.

I don't understand what Trump will sanction.


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pawian
23 Jan 2025  #534

I don't understand what Trump will sanction.

You didn`t read carefully. Trump will sanction Russian trade to America and all foreign companies which trade with America if they also do business with Russia.
This will hit you like a sledgehammer. We can already see it now when Chinese or Indian companies are closing their business with Russia.
Ha! You are doomed!!! Surrender before Russia disintegrates! Of course, being stubborn as Poles/Poless, you won`t, that is why you will fall apart into 15 Russistans! Ha!!!

Novichok
23 Jan 2025  #535

Stopping foreign trade would be a boom to the US economy. No trade deficit!!!!! Everything made at home!!!!! Full employment!!! Nobody on welfare!!!! Taiwanese chips made in the US!!!!

Russia shows that it can be done. No, I will not feel sorry for some broad with fake tits because she can't have Russian caviar for lunch. Get a chicken.

cms neuf
23 Jan 2025  #536

Yes North Nigeria is a consumer paradise with the shops crammed full of the finest Iranian wines and Kirghiz televisions

Bobko
23 Jan 2025  #537

This will hit you like a sledgehammer.

There is nothing to hit, that is my point.

America has two tools:

1) Direct curbs on trade with America (through tariffs and such)
2) Blocking access to the Western financial system (the dollar gives them this power)

Why this is not good for pressuring Russia:

1) Russia and America do not trade with each other.
2) Russia has already been forced to move to trading with its trading partners in Rupees, Yuan, Dirhams, Roubles, and so on.

Any Indian or Chinese bank that used to handle dollar transactions with Russia, has already stopped doing that.

If the Treasury Department, or FBI, or OFAC, or whoever else begins tracking things over which it has no jurisdiction whatsoever, and then sanctioning those entities, this is gonna cause a lot of questions... from every corner of the globe.

People already hate America for using the dollar as a weapon, imagine what will happen if America can suddenly set a chair up in between two people trading in Yuans and Roubles and start reading them lectures?

Trump talks a lot about how Biden mistreated the dollar. If Trump begins going wild with secondary sanctions, that'll do even further damage. I doubt he wants do that.

I watched a speech by the new Sec of State, Marco Rubio, yesterday... and he was talking about how if countries like Brazil and China move their trade into their own currencies, there may soon come a day when the United States will not be able to effectively threaten people with sanctions.


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jon357
23 Jan 2025  #538

There is nothing to hit, that is my point.

There's a Baltic and.a Mediterranean to block, there are ships to impound, there are r*SSian nationals to deport.

Great if trumpet's telling the truth and he will come down hard, however where that guy is concerned, it's still only cautious optimism. But optimism nonetheless.

And of course by far the easiest and most decent and civilised option for r*SSia is to withdraw their orcs immediately from Ukraine, pay full compensation for damage done and lives lost and keep their orcs within their own borders where they will be happier and certainly a great deal safer.

Oh, and get a new 'President', ideally not a corrupt and genocidal autocrat this time.

Ironside
23 Jan 2025  #539

ew 'President', ideally not a corrupt and genocidal autocrat this time.

In Russia, they can have what they want, instead, they should give up Królewiec and Belorus.

cms neuf
23 Jan 2025  #540

You forgot to mention the Nigerian Naira LOL !

But actually the Nigerians long ago decided they are in the right camp, with the civilized countries of the world.

Unlike India they don't need your crappy oil

And nobody trades in rubles any more except maybe Belarus. Even the likes of Eritrea and Nicaragua don't want rubles. They are as old hat as a gloomy Chekhov play


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