Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20

Russia has categorically ruled out agreeing to NATO troops being deployed to the conflict zone.

Troops from the US-led military bloc, even under the guise of peacekeepers, would amount to direct NATO participation in the conflict, according to Moscow.

Memo to Russia: Tell them to wear pink safety outfits and then kill them all...

Fake news and made up videos. French public strongly back Ukraine against drunk rapist invaders

In true news, Ukraine has invaded North Nigeria again

...said a Poilsh moron who can't find Russia on the map...

Most of Russia is actually not Russian.

Most of Russia speak other languages as their first language.

Russia is an old fashioned colonising nation.

This has nothing to do with the fact that a Polish moron here can't locate Russia on the map.

I reckon most Poles can locate Russia on a map and very few Americans can.

Russia is 72% Russian.


In excess of 95% of the Russian population speaks Russian as their first language. The second most popular language in Russia is Tatar - with approximately 3.5M speakers.

When you write things like this, it makes me angry at myself for having taken anything else you said seriously.

I know a little bit about Russia, so I was able to tell quickly that you hadn't a clue about what you were writing. But how about all the other things you write?

Very worrying.

This Polish moron can't

Obviously, the idiot confuses Russia with Nigeria.

He writes this kind of crap to vent.

I have a reason to vent against Germany. I don't because the Germans living today did me no wrong and I wish them the very best.

Their attitude toward Russia is impossible to justify, though.

Russia is not treated the same way and that is why I will always support it to balance things out here.

What if it's not zero, Rich? What if for some people their freedom, the ability to cultivate their culture, fully enjoy the fruits of their labour and govern themselves without foreign domination is actually worth more than zero? What then?


You are a Pole... or at least you used to be once; how can you not see the immense value of freedom? Why denigrate people who stand up for something more than just their carnal desires and base instincts? Sure, we all need to eat, digest, defecate and copulate, but aren't we rather more than just that? Aren't we something more than animals? And if we are then have we not the right to fight and die for our ideals if we choose to do so?

Because if people are not merely animals, then your Z-P=0 formula is worthless.

What is it?

It is the difference between being a human and being just an animal. And it is not zero. No matter how much you despise a given nation, culture or race - it is not zero.

Cut the patriotic crap.

2000: A Ukrainian guy wakes up in Ukrainian Crimea, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, watches TV, takes a shower, and goes to bed.
2025: The same Ukrainian guy wakes up in Russian Crimea, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, watches TV, takes a shower, and goes to bed.

Specifically - no lengthy essays - tell me why that guy should start shooting Russians and die.

No.


We are not in 2014. There is a full-scale imperial invasion in progress (a slow one, admittedly) that threatens the very existence of Ukraine, so you cut the crap.

@Novichok

I met a man at the airport bar yesterday. Initially I thought he was Moldovan. Then I understood he is from Odessa. He is a sailor. The past three years he has been living in Moldova, because he doesn't want to get mobilized. He has carried on his work as a ship mechanic, but without ever entering Ukraine.

We discussed the war, and both agreed that it may end soon.

I asked him, "Do you think Russia is capable of taking Nikolayev, Kherson, and Odessa?". Instead of answering the question directly, he started explaining to me that these cities have always been Russian. I told him I understood, and then asked him: "What would you do if tomorrow Odessa becomes a Russian city?". He told me he would gladly move back, and that instead the continued control of Ukraine over Odessa was what gave him pause about returning home.

Thanks, Bobko.

I stand by my Z-P=0 as the shortest way to show how few things are worth dying for.

If they forced me to leave the US for Mongolia or Novosibirsk, I wouldn't like it, but I sure wouldn't kill myself.

Having a Russian ID as opposed the Ukrainian one is most certainly not on that list.

Maybe one day I will get an honorary something from Russia.

Did you even read my post, weasel?

Let me try again...

As a result of Crimea joining the RF, has life become harder for those who self-identify as Ukrainians?

If so, how?

Keep in mind, this is an Odessite. They are truly a special breed, and really don't feel Ukrainian.

In Soviet times it was pretty much a completely Jewish city.

But elsewhere in Ukraine there are people for whom freedom from Russia is a less subjective problem.

Like in Western Ukraine. My problem with those people is that while they are seemingly very patriotic, they don't seem to believe that this is their war.

Even though the war is happening a thousand kilometers away, for some reason it's primarily Western Ukrainians that are in Europe on refugee status.

People fleeing the East, and arriving in Western Ukraine also frequently comment that they are treated there as unwanted and second class citizens.

Is it Putin's intention to depopulate Ukraine?

This would explain the slow progress in Donbass...

With a lot of disgust, I did, yes.


You're a weasel, Ryszard. You are talking about the guy waking up, going to work etc. while there is much more going on today than there was in Crimea in 2014.

How about a guy waking up and looking at an empty space where his legs used to be because he lost them in a drone attack (in January this year about 30% of civilian deaths in Ukraine, and even more injuries, were attributed to short-range drones)? How about another guy pulling his dead child from the rubble of destroyed block of flats? Do they and their families have not the right to defend themselves and fight?

Good one.

Step 1 in de-population of Ukraine was the dissolution of the USSR. The last Jews left, and then the Germans and Poles.

Step 2 was the granting of visa free status to Ukrainians by the EU.

Step 3 was the generous asylum terms and refugee benefits.

I mean... you have a situation where a president of Ukraine is going around asking other heads of state to deport people to Ukraine.

The integration with the EU has been a bit too successful.

My personal opinion is that places like Poland and Czechia will never send back their Ukrainians, because they fill an important niche in the labor market and are much more assimilatable in comparison to immigrants from farther away.

The governments of those places would be truly stupid to force the Ukrainians out. So... Ukraine's loss is Poland's gain.

We will not send them back. We will not keep them against their will either. They are people not cattle.

Some Ukrainians who came to Poland went to Germany, Canada and other countries - we didn't stop them. Some chose to stay with us - we're not kicking them out. They are free to make decisions about their lives.

I know - because Zelensky asked your government to do it, and they refused after making some noises.

I understand they are not cattle, but I trust you understand also that their not being in Ukraine is hugely damaging to that country. Starting from tax collection, and ending with demographic collapse.

Not related to the war...In my subdivision of 78 THs, there are at least 3 Russians, one next door. My dentist is from Ukraine. All super nice...

One of them had the Russian flag among many Ukrainian flags. I rang the doorbell and gave him thumbs up.

Sure. Invasions and people running away from them are rarely beneficial for the invaded county.

Meanwhile, Trump is voicing his frustration with Putin dragging his feet on a peace deal. Z is now stating he wont do a mineral rights deal with the US if it interferes with Ukraine getting into the EU. This, in my opinion, if both sides continue, will lead Trump to say fvck it, and take the US completely out of the picture. If no one wants to make a deal, then Trump wont waste his time, or the US money. Either way, the war ends pretty quickly. But if Trump pulls out, it will be very bad for Ukraine. Europe does not have the ability to replace US aid financially or in supplies to fight.

If its against Ukraine law for men to leave the country to fight, why arent countries returning these men of fighting age to Ukraine?

putin doesn't want peace, how many people have said that how many times?

Also, remember the US has no element of surprise here.... stupid mistakes (or conscious US policy choices) mean that russia is privy to everything the US knows....

Witkoff using an unsecured platform while sitting in the effin' kremlin?


the details of the 'mineral deal' seem like Belgian congo style exploitation... what are the upsides for Ukraine for giving essentially all the profits to the US for nothing in return?

russian policy has never been about making peace. You might as well be negotiating with a shark that's about to eat you. The only thing that helps is to hit him on the tip of the nose. 🐬

Wow! You surprised me, Allien. Your comment diverted from your usual nonsense and actually made a lot of sense. At least you have an understanding of Russian spirituality aside from alcohol.

@mafketis
They have already received hundreds of billions.

Frankly, I almost hope Trump says fvck it. Leave Ukraine to do what it can with what the EU can provide. Make a deal with the Congo that has been offered for rare earths, and move on from this nonsesical war. Slam Russia with more sanctions on other countries importing Russian oil for being stupid and not making a deal, and focus more on the American people. Starmer, Macron and who ever is next in Germany can try to clean up the mess they created.