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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21



cms neuf
6 May 2025  #931

They also have another invasion to contend with - Ukrainians have again entered Kursk and again captured more ground than the Drunk NN Nazis have managed in the last year

Also closed down North Lagos airports due to a handful of drone attacks. That's a shame for scum like Orban and Fico who in any case were trying to cry off sick from Putler's broke ass parade.

jon357
6 May 2025  #932

Ukrainians have again entered Kursk and again captured more ground than the Drunk NN Nazis have managed in the last year

Lovely news.

The papers said yesterday that 2025 has so far been the worst year for orc casualties with about 50,000 dead and an obvious recruitment crisis.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #933

After his humiliating failure with russia..... Trump has decided to give them more time and has reached out to Erdogan to try to save face with some kind of 'peace deal'....

reality - 1 //// trump - 0

Barney
6 May 2025  #934

It wasn't until Russia started it's war in Ukraine many of them catched up to Russian schenanigans

Only Stalinists viewed the Soviet Union as a bulwark against unbridled capitalism, state capitalism being the stepping stone towards true implementation of Marxism. There were a host of salami sliced "Marxist" parties who disagreed with Stalinism. Most people who believed in a fair days pay for a fair days work etc disliked the Soviet Union, thats left leaning and centerists. People who oppose any kind of workers rights including fair pay are generally on the right.

You do raise an interesting point about a unipolar world. Since the fall of the wall it has been a disaster, NATO countries have been on a rampage Invading and bombing with impunity. In addition to bombing and invading the unipolar world brought us the financial crash which is still working its way through the global economy. This unipolar world has ripped up the rules they wrote and insisted that everyone else follow. Their destruction of any kind of international law or standards has resulted in Putin the "chief evil doer in the world" yet the genocidal Zionists are armed and funded by NATO countries and given political cover. NATO is a cancer that exists to advance the interests of the US.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #935

a unipolar world. Since the fall of the wall it has been a disaster

What's your alternative?

Korvinus
6 May 2025  #936

What's your alternative?

"Hey, dont look to us, Oceania was always at war with Eastasia. You need to be a good citizen on this trying time and show force against Eastasia or are you an agent of Eastasia?"

I'm seeing it start already.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #937

I'm seeing it start already.

The big difference is that in the book china became a death cult...while in this timeline russia has...

x.com/sumlenny/status/1782317706584166669

Barney
6 May 2025  #938

What's your alternative?

Either a multipolar world or respect internationally agreed standards through the UN or successor body. Clearly the former is the only realistic option as imperfect as it is.

gumishu
6 May 2025  #939

Either a multipolar world or respect internationally agreed standards through the UN or successor body.

what is your point actually? are you trying to say that American policy makers are not aware that China is a big player in the world rivaling the US?

jon357
6 May 2025  #940

Either a multipolar world

That term is shorthand for repressive countries like China, r*SSia and the petrostates having greater power. You might want to share resources, markets, research, however they don't.

All humans are equal. Not all states and cultures are equal.

respect internationally agreed standards

Good luck getting China, r*SSia and KSA to do that.

Barney
6 May 2025  #941

@gumishu
My point is that I would like the places that wrote the rules obeying the rules.

@ jon357
Everyone breaks the rules, I wish they didnt.

My preference would be for a redrafting of international standards that people stick to. That is not going to happen so a multipolar world may address issues that currently cannot be resolved in an equitable manner.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #942

a multipolar world

fans of russia were calling the invasion of Ukraine the beginning of a multipolar world... this is not a recommendation...

Barney
6 May 2025  #943

@mafketis
Fans of the US and Britain cheered their war on terror which resulted in more migration and more terror.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #944

cheered their war on terror

I always knew it would be a major poochscrew.... and I was not wrong.

Bobko
6 May 2025  #945

What's your alternative?

Actually living by the spirit of the United Nations?

Ensuring that the Security Council is the only way to resolve armed conflicts. Meaning - not working around Russian and Chinese vetos by concocting ridiculous coalitions "of the willing".

Not wiping your ass with resolutions signed by 180+ countries condemning what's going on in Palestine.

Treating all refugees equally - regardless of their country of origin.

And so on, and so forth...

If you actually respect and live by the UN statute, a multipolar world produces itself. Everyone managed somehow to respect the UN, up until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Guess who shredded the UN's reputation to the point that it is now a running joke? America did.

The UN is the best thing we have created as a species in our 200,000 year history. Abusing and ridiculing it will not reflect well on America in future histories of this period.

Bratwurst Boy
6 May 2025  #946

Ensuring that the Security Council is the only way to resolve armed conflicts.

They and what army? And with what money?

The US is the biggest payer since 1945....and it will always be that way that he who pays the most has to say the most, officially or not!

That must not be a detriment, but to many little ones fart from the sidelines and complain with no way to fund the UN ever enough to make sure they can keep up and do real work!

Bobko
6 May 2025  #947

The US is the biggest payer since 1945

This is such a tiny drop in the ocean - it really does not matter. I think the UN costs about $10B a year to maintain (including peacekeeping operations), and the US contributes about 20% of this, or $2 billion.

If China and Russia had some kind of assurance that America would only play by the rules of the UN, I'm sure they would happily pay America's share for the next 50 years with an immediate payment.

Whenever America begins to complain about paying for the UN, know it's a red herring. All it means is that at that moment in time the UN is irritating and inconvenient for the United States.

They and what army? And with what money?

Well, during the Korean War the United Nations managed to land 500,000 soldiers in Korea, and fight the war to a standstill. The UN is only as strong as people's faith in it.

If everybody believes in it, you don't need a large standing army or large budgets. It's enough that the 5 great powers on the Security Council have condemned your actions, and your life is now forfeit (Kuwait - 1991. Gorbachev voted with America on SC Resolution #678).

However, if the very members of the Security Council do everything in their power to ensure that it does not work properly, and that everyone views its resolutions as toothless - then yes, big problem.

Bratwurst Boy
6 May 2025  #948

The UN is only as strong as people's faith in it.

Yeah...the UN can be strong but that all like the Peace Keepers and support organizations need money!

And nobody has paid so much for so long as the US.

Without the US others have to raise their payments....their faith won't be enough!

Just imagine China taking over that US part....and imagine a situation with Taiwan....who will send the peace keepers to do what exactly?
How should that work?

You dream of an UN out of this world....somehow not depending on this world....ruled by something independent of this world....that will stay a dream, I fear!

Przelotnyptak1
6 May 2025  #949

Erdogan to try to save face with some kind of 'peace deal'....

So blame Trump for trying.What a sick idea,But four years of inacitvty by Democrats and an incompetent Biden were handling the foreign affers with expert efficiency
Give me a break. One more turn with the laughing hyena , Hariss at the helm, and the US, as we know, would be finished.Is that your view of reality?

Bobko
6 May 2025  #950

Just imagine China taking over that US part

It doesn't have to be China or Russia picking up America's tab. I can see how that would put other countries on edge.

The other 190 countries could just proportionately split America's bill between themselves. If you don't take population into account, this could work out to a flat fee of $10 million per country.

However, $10 million is still a lot of money for some island nations (like Nauru, or the Seychelles) or some truly impoverished countries (Afghanistan, Syria). So maybe it should be weighted by population, so bigger countries like Germany and France pay $50-60M extra, while others can pay $1-2M.

A lot of countries have been trying to get into the Security Council for decades. You could do a deal with them - "Want to be a big dog, pony up some real money". I'm sure India and Brazil would happily pay America's share, if they get a prestigious permanent seat on the council.

The bottom line is that all these things you are complaining about cost pennies. Right now Trump wants to restart Alcatraz Prison. That's gonna cost quite a bit more than an entire UN budget contribution. It's just one prison.

$10B is a lot of money - of course - but at the same time numerous municipalities have larger budgets than that.

mafketis
6 May 2025  #951

blame Trump for trying

I don't blame him for trying.... I blame him for tryng to be nice to russia... that's a road to guaranteed failure.

Przelotnyptak1
6 May 2025  #952

respect internationally agreed standards through the UN or successor body.

Some sane people see that internationalism as a cancerous growth, and world governed by bureaucrats from Brussels as the worst possible outcome for world democracies.

Novichok
6 May 2025  #953

I blame him for tryng to be nice to russia

How does being hostile to Russia benefit the US?

Bratwurst Boy
6 May 2025  #954

o bigger countries like Germany and France pay $50-60M extra,

....and we are not even permanent security council members! :)

Novichok
6 May 2025  #955

Ukrainians have again entered Kursk

You are a disgusting liar...

Just a week ago, U tanks were 50 kilometers from Moscow and made Hitler smile in his grave...

That "grave" was a bait...let's see if it will work...

Barney
6 May 2025  #956

world governed by bureaucrats from Brussels as the worst possible outcome for world democracies.

The entire world is governed by bureaucrats or do you think Trump is personally rejecting visa applications?

The fact that it was these "world democracies" set up and drafted the rules. Why cant they stick to them or is it better to starve your way to popularity as the NATO countries are allowing their puppet state to do. The same NATO countries that sanctioned Syria for doing something similar but on a much smaller scale.

Przelotnyptak1
6 May 2025  #957

I blame him for tryng to be nice to russia... that's a road to guaranteed failure.

Well, let's look at the reality, negotiating with Mongolia would bring doubtful results; given EU is not a proper negotiator, like it or not, Russia, Ukraine and
The US, with the positive input from the EU, is the only possible alternative. The rest is just dueling by amateurish politicians, [b]obledmy sen/b idiotyczna mrzonka]
More productive, realistic would be assuming that maybe, just maybe Trump is gifted nagoriaror, and needs a ample time for positive results. As for trusting Russians
trust them as far as you can throw them, not one inch further.

Przelotnyptak1
6 May 2025  #958

The entire world is governed by bureaucrats or do you think

I specifically said, globalists, bureaucrats from Brussels, that is your insane dream.

Barney
6 May 2025  #959

@Przelotnyptak1
Can you not remember what you wrote? You can read it again its a wee bit up the page.

If you cant explain that's grand, but not surprising in the least.

cms neuf
6 May 2025  #960

More news about Ukraine's successful invasion of North Nigeria

tvpworld.com/86539755/ukraine-launches-second-kursk-incursion-say-russian-military-bloggers

Zelensky says he can't guarantee the safety of losers attending the "Victory Day" celebration (commemorating a war started by the UNNR with their Nazi allies)


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