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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26



Bobko
20 Nov 2025  #721

My grandfather was also a tank driver

Mine was a «радист-пулеметчик» или «радист-телефонист» (по другим документам), в экипаже T-34-85.

Bobko
20 Nov 2025  #722

Вечная па́мять

I trust you see the question is not as simple as may seem to paranoid minds.

Miloslaw
20 Nov 2025  #723

Nothing will help you. If you don't want to live peacefully, Russia will teach you.)))

HaHaHa!!!! another delusional Russian!Russia is totally incapable of teaching anything to anyone!

It's time to learn that we don't need you, you have nothing but migrants from Africa.))

This guy is either a total Russian moron, who doesn't know what is happening in his own country, or more likely, just a troll.

Even as we prosecute the most humane large-scale war in the history of modernity.

"Humane" I would call it "Barbaric"..... typical Russian behaviour.

Allow me to shake your hand, Comrade?

You have fallen for the troll you idiot!

grabber
20 Nov 2025  #724

Мой был «радист-пулеметчик» или «радист-телефонист»

Мой дед был наводчиком в танке Шерман)).

Bobko
20 Nov 2025  #725

You have fallen for the troll you idiot!

If he is some Indian troll, and just represented a dead grandfather... then Hell is waiting for him.

Alternatively - he told the truth - and I can not help but recognize his family sacrifice.

Мой дед был наводчиком в танке Шерман)).

Мое почтение твоему деду. Прости если меня заносит тут, но я не думаю что с Поляками нужно так общаться...

Miloslaw
20 Nov 2025  #726

If he is some Indian troll, and just represented a dead grandfather... then Hell is waiting for him.

He is and you fell for him because he was ringing all your bells.... LOL!!!!

mafketis
20 Nov 2025  #727

they see us as enemies, not liberators of Europe

Some liberators... you caused WWII in the first place... "liberators".... honestly... the delusions....

Bobko
20 Nov 2025  #728

Some liberators...

Today is the day, Maf chose to come out in favor the National Socialist German Worker's Party of Germany.

cms neuf
20 Nov 2025  #729

National Socialist German Worker's Party of Germany.

The allies of the UNNR in 1939

You still get arrested in North Nigeria for mentioning that ?

Miloslaw
20 Nov 2025  #730

More Russian BS propaganda!

The Ukrainians now have the best American missiles that they are allowed to launch at Russia.

Russia is £ucked.



amiga500
20 Nov 2025  #731

Even as we prosecute the most humane large-scale war in the history of modernity.

You sound just like an Israeli. Haha what a sick burn!
Be a good Russian and dip your challah in the blood of Ukrainian children at least once a year.

Miloslaw
20 Nov 2025  #732

Russia, or should I say Putin is getting more and more stupid.
They have already lost the support of Erdogan in Turkey, so now they attack Turkey, Poland and Romania!

Poland has already decided that their attack was a declaration of war!

Russia can't even beat Ukraine...... they have NO CHANCE against NATO.Or even Poland on it's own!

All Russian hot air and propaganda..... they are surely not stupid enough to take on NATO..... or are they?



Dominik Tarczynski is a brilliant Polish politician and journalist and even under pressure from this leftie interviewer he held his own and won the debate.



I have to admit that the Ruskis did well here. But they still failed because of one very determined, brave and talented Ukrainian pilot.

That is the story of this war..... Ukrainians want to win..... Russians just want to survive.



Novichok
21 Nov 2025  #733



This map shows how Ukraine is winning...

Novichok
21 Nov 2025  #734

Milo and other Russia-hating Brits:

Fvck off of Russia. Your mortal enemy is your ruling class.



Torq
21 Nov 2025  #735

the question is not as simple as may seem to paranoid minds

European history is not simple, to put it very mildly.

Alien
21 Nov 2025  #736

There's a peace plan for Ukraine. It's better than nothing. However, I don't think russia will sign it and then adhere to it.

Torq
21 Nov 2025  #737

There's a peace plan for Ukraine.

It's not a plan. These are Putin's demands that he presented to Ukraine in June 2024 in Istanbul. Basically conditions for surrender.

It is now rewritten in 28 points and presented to Ukraine as Trump's peace plan lol xD

cms neuf
21 Nov 2025  #738

It's better than nothing

In what way ?

None of the 28 points make sense for Ukraine and it's such a dumb document that it imposes conditions even on EU countries who have not been involved at all.

Torq
21 Nov 2025  #739

Good comment to the "peace plan" here...

wiadomosci.wp.pl/trump-do-ukraincow-skapitulujcie-opinia-7224162069092896a

Torq
21 Nov 2025  #740

... and here:

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/witold-jurasz-skandaliczny-plan-pokojowy-usa-i-rosji-amerykanie-zgodzili-sie-na/k71rbzw,79cfc278

jon357
21 Nov 2025  #741

There's both in big good about it and the yanks know it won't be accepted

cms neuf
21 Nov 2025  #742

One of the many dumb things about it is the deadline of Thanksgiving - why ? Nobody involves gives a FF about this day, which is primarily for American families to argue with each other and watch sport.

mafketis
21 Nov 2025  #743

many dumb things about it is the deadline of Thanksgiving - why ?

First, is their real,reliable confirmation that this "plan" is something the US is ready to sign off on (or try to enforce)?

AFAICT it's a russian psy-op to get it into the information space and try to will it into existence....

If it is true and their is a stupid Thanksgiving deadline then that would be because Trump wants to give the deal as a present for the holiday.... ignoring the fact that his base doesn't especially care about his international peace deals....

which is primarily for American families to argue with each other and watch sport.

Well traditionally the day has four parts

one - some poor fool (usually the mother) has to get up at some ungodly hour to get the turkey into the oven becaue it takes 5-6 hours to cook.

two - watch parades (esp Macy's) on TV

three - pig out on big dinner (the theme, not obvious to all, are foods from the New World - turkey, corn, potatoes, cranberries, pumpkin...

four - watch football games on tv (or quietly sit while trying to digest the 4 kilos of food you just ate)

Arguments or debates (esp regarding who spoiled the holiday) can happen at any time.

cms neuf
21 Nov 2025  #744

First, is their real,reliable confirmation that this "plan" is something the US is ready to sign off on (or try to enforce)?

whitehouse says it is their plan

No I'm sure they wouldn't enforce it and all they want to do is annoy Western Europe and make another diversion from Golden Cow being in the Epstein files

Bobko
21 Nov 2025  #745

No I'm sure they wouldn't enforce it and all they want to do is annoy Western Europe

Reuters is writing that the Americans are holding out the threat of a full suspension of weapons transfers and intelligence sharing - if Zelensky does not sign on to the framework by next Thursday.

It seems the speculation of the past few days that this is not the "real" plan, but instead yet another hallucination of Witkoff - did not pan out.

It is a real plan, and Rubio and Trump have approved it.

It seems Congress was not informed (Lindsey Graham has been making various noises of indignation), as well as the Europeans.

cms neuf
21 Nov 2025  #746

Reuters is writing that the Americans are holding out the threat of a full suspension of weapons transfers and intelligence sharing -

But there would be no point in having those weapons and intelligence if they were to accept the deal, so it's an empty threat.

This thing will be dead by Monday morning

Bobko
21 Nov 2025  #747

so it's an empty threat.

Not sure I can follow your logic?

If Ukraine refuses to subscribe to the framework, and decides to continue fighting on in hopes of a better deal - it would be forced to rely only on Europe's resources.

In some aspects, the Europeans are capable of fully replacing the Americans, but in others they are not.

Intelligence has been many times cited as THE KEY ENABLER of Ukrainian successes.

American intelligence provides warning to the Ukrainians as bombs are being wheeled up to bomber jets (long before they are even airborne).

American intelligence makes it impossible for Russian forces to accumulate too close to the front lines - otherwise an HIMARS or ATACMS is liable to land on the troop grouping.

Without American intelligence - the Ukrainians will have to rely on their little drones to spot Russians - when they're already close and moving in on their positions.

-///-

Meaning - continued fighting without US intelligence is likely to be chaotic and damaging for Ukraine.

cms neuf
21 Nov 2025  #748

Meaning - continued fighting without US intelligence is likely to be chaotic and damaging for Ukraine.

Yes but it won't be as damaging as voluntarily handing over their nationhood to drunk rapist North Nigerians who haven't defeated them in battle.

Bobko
21 Nov 2025  #749

won't be as damaging as voluntarily handing over their nationhood

You're being a bit dramatic.

Western experts and Ukrainian realists are saying the plan is not half as bad as it may seem at first glance.

1) The Ukrainians would never have been able to support a standing army of 1.2M people. Even a twice reduced number of 600,000 is too heavy a load for their battered economy.

This means - in effect - that there aren't any real restrictions on Ukraine's army. Even at 200,000 - it would still be one of Europe's largest armies (this, in Europe's poorest country).

2) It seems Russia is agreeing to give up ant least half of its $200B parked in Europe, for Ukrainian reconstruction. Somehow, America also collects 50% of the profits from this reconstruction - which I don't really understand... WTF are profits from reconstruction?

3) Joining NATO was a pipe dream anyway. So Ukraine enshrining its neutral status in its constitution, and NATO amending its charter to say Ukraine can never join the org - doesn't really change anything.

4) It is made explicit that Ukraine can and should join the EU.

5) Ukraine receives US security guarantees. If Russia restarts the war, the US becomes legally obligated to defend Ukraine.

6) Russia (but also Ukraine) agrees to introduce changes to its school programme, promoting tolerance and understanding of each other's cultural legacy.

The worst part for Ukraine, is leaving the Donbass.

That's painful, but not the end of the world. They lost 99% of Luhansk, and about 79% of Donetsk.

Bobko
21 Nov 2025  #750

Sorry Admin - you know I rarely ever do this... sure - posting an image with full text is perfect. but I believe this is a historic moment so just wanted to post the statement in full.

Zelensky just addressed the nation.

FT's Chris Miller reposted. Image below:


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