Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 27

You misunderstood it. My post wasn't judgmental; it was descriptive. Seems to be a general pattern in most human societies.
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Those are excuses. When it comes to dying, there is no ready formula. If anything, if you could be certain that there is nothing after death, I would find it easier.
Going through all that BS while daying, and then you still have some kind of judgment ahead of you that will determine your fate forever. Compared to THAT, a three-second daying process is nothing.

Putler's daughter (illegitimate) is living in decadent Paris and confronted here by Ukrainian journalists. Like all North Nigerians she refuses to take responsibility for the daily murders of Ukrainian women and kids. Absolutely pitiful specimen

the-sun.com/news/15587035/putins-daughter-confronted-angry-ukrainian-killed-my-brother/

How is she responsible for that?

She said: "I'm really sorry that this is happening. Unfortunately, I'm not responsible for this situation."

What else do you want? For her to call her Dad and say: "Daddy, please make peace with everyone!".?

I presume she voted for her father

One spectacle you can see during North Nigerian elections is these duraks lining up outside NN consulates all over the world, to vote for the Putler, even in the snow and rain.

She takes money from her father - a rapist and a murderer. Unless she refuses that she is already guilty

If she publicly denounces the war - as she was given an opportunity to do in this interview, so then she is absolved. Of course she did not because she is a pussy and a loser. I am afraid that is the equation for North Nigerian citizens abroad now - want a visa and residency ? Then you must denounce the war and agree to contribute to a compensation fund

Remember what the Good Book says, Cms...

"The one who sins is the one who will die.
The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.
The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." Ezekiel 18:20

... we are not Nazis, we are not Commies. We are Christians.

Of course I agree with that philosophically. but as long as they are voting for Putler they are all guilty, every adult North Nigerian.

she is spending the cash of the North Nigerian people to live a life of luxury in France - part of what the NN leaders call "gayropa"

Do you think people would have been cool with Hitler's kids living scot free during and after WW2 ?

Understood!


I would think the poor girl never had a chance....this man lets troublemaker tumble out of windows ffs! She better keeps quiet in hiding....there are reasons for her to get drunk far away in Paris!

Meanwhile, Polish pedagogues and students are real heroes!

Onet reports, two Ukrainian kids in Slupsk were beaten by their classmates (one got a concussion, and the other a broken collar bone) - after encouragement from their retarded teacher.

In the available recordings, one can hear how the teacher calls his Ukrainian students "swołoczy". Also he tells them: "Jak będziecie zdawać następnym razem egzamin, na pewno nie zdacie. Ponieważ udowodnię wam, kto to jest Polak".

Hahaha! I myself became curious kim jest Polak?

Then this:

Jeden z polskich uczniów na lekcjach miał często włączać telefon z dźwiękami spadających bomb i rakiet, mówiąc do Ukraińców: "czas się schować".

I mean... they are cruel - but they are also quality comedians. I can see where Torq gets his Pomorian humor!

The article goes on and on, with bits like this:

Z relacji rodzica wynika, że antyukraińskie wypowiedzi nauczyciela podobały się niektórym polskim uczniom. - Jeden z nich podszedł do nauczyciela i mówił, że "za to Pana właśnie szanuję".

In the end, one begins to form an impression that this is not the problem of a single retard teacher and two of his retard students, but a more systemic problem. Potentially even involving police negligence.

Read for yourself here: wiadomosci.onet.pl/trojmiasto/w-klasie-nauczyciel-wyzywal-ukrainskich-chlopcow-od-swoloczy-przed-szkola-zaatakowali/nkxfcre?

Good morning, children, retards, and Russia haters...

The previous daily reminders:

EU tariffs - good

US tariffs - bad

Kosovo referendum - good

Crimea referendum - bad

And a couple new ones:

Monroe doctrine - good

Putin doctrine - bad

NATO moving East - good

Russia reacting - bad

If Onet, it is possible that it distorts the truth.

She actually said that?

I would say "fortunately" or: I didn't do it. Get lost.

@Ironside

Ukrainian papers are all covering this story. The Consul General in Gdansk has gotten involved. The local police and the school have made statements - so it seems a true story.

Some Ukrainian kids get beaten in Poland on a weekly basis, and nobody really cares because it's usually local riff-raff involved.

This case is causing much more resonance, because it was:

1) encouraged by a teacher

2) the police tried to ignore the initial filing of a complaint

3) and supposedly (this is now Ukrainian reporting), the parents of the Polish students think their kids are not getting a "fair shake" and that the Ukrainian kids somehow provoked them.

Ukrainian social media comments are divided:

A) One group says - we are guests in their country, we must stay quiet. We must not rock the boat.

B) Another group says - this is what you get when you go live amongst foreigners and expect to be treated equally. Come home, and don't deal with these humiliations.

To me - this business is... confusing, I swear.

If he looked all around the world - the WHOLE PLANET - a Pole could probably not find a people closer to him in background and temperament than a Ukrainian. Well... maybe a Slovak or a Czech would be closer, but they are few and quite happy in their own countries.

So this absolute "racial" hatred evident in the Onet article is really stupefying:

"Jeden z napastników najpierw splunął w twarz jednemu z ukraińskich chłopców, mówiąc: »Na front, kurwa ukraińska« i zaczął bić go pięściami w twarz. Drugi napastnik dołączył i wspólnie pobili 16-letniego chłopca. Kolejny z uczniów pochodzenia ukraińskiego otrzymał cios w tył głowy, nie widząc nawet, kto go uderzył. Pobicie również zostało zarejestrowane na nagraniu".

Would some Afghan or some Sudanese boy get this same treatment from a Pole?

Completely clear - both teachers and kids should be disciplined. Not a police matter, a school matter

Not sure it's on the same level as bombing women and children in their beds, human safaris, Bucha, shooting prisoners, deceiving illiterate 3rd worlders into joining the NN military or any of the other many thousands of war crimes committed in Ukraine.

I don't think so, black people shouldn't be beaten, but white people can be beaten... However, returning to these Ukrainian boys, I assume that if they were russians, they would also treat them this way.

Physical violence (including broken bones) is a police matter.

The teacher should be fired and not allowed back in any classroom.

If there have not been other issues, because they could be, there could be some backstory that we are not aware of.

As to your questions, there are quite a lot of Ukrainians in Poland. They all all sorts and many have been acting out, like demanding, disrespectful and so on. On the top of it there is the question of Polish govermnat policies that seem to Poles as granting privileges to Ukrainians, Poles do not have, but all Polish taxpayers pay for.
Add to this all that costly help to Ukrainians, Ukrainians using Polish health services while Poles need to wait a year for a visit to specialist.
Overreaction of Ukrainian politicians with their attitude seen as arrogant attitude, Ukrainians involved in drunk driving that end in deaths, Ukrainians again and again caught smuggling illegal immigrants, now Ukrainians paid by Russia for acts of diversion in Poland, add to it awareness that not only did Ukrainians not recognize the Wolyn issue, but they built statues to Bandera and others.
So, that is not surprising that those things happen.
If Polish politicians had handled the Ukrainian issue differently from the beginning, most of those problems could have been avoided.

They are the largest immigrant ethnic minority in the country and we all know how Poles ultimately feel about anyone that isn't a Catholic Pole. Plus, Poles hold onto historical grievances like Wolyn with white knuckles (they will still be harping on about not being invited to a certain victory parade when we and our children's children are long in the ground), so it makes a lot of sense. The fact that they are culturally and generically Poland's brother makes no difference when you're THIS nationalistic, xenophobic, and fixated on your country's victim narrative.


If that annoys you, it's good you aren't a British person watching legions of jobless Poles get taxpayer-funded language support to apply for and get unemployment benefits, child support benefits, use the health service they aren't paying for, and so on.

Rare occasion where I agree with Maf.

The kid who had his collar bone broken - his mom went to the police department the same day.

Quote:

Jedna z matek poszła na policję. Chciała zgłosić pobicie, które miało miejsce przed szkołą. Na komisariacie odprawili ją z kwitkiem. Usłyszała, że nie ma dzielnicowego i dlatego nie będzie zgłoszenia.

WTF is this - segregation era Mississippi?


This is not some drunk driver, not a 30 year old dumbass that brings a Bandera flag to a concert, not some ultras that fight with their Legia colleagues - but 16 year old kids attending high school.

If you teach young Poles now that it's "okay" to hate on Ukrainians just for the fact that they are there, then there is no hope of good relations between your countries in the future.

You sound just like the parents that argue their kid did not get a fair shake, and that the mendacious Ukrainians somehow provoked them...

I can imagine the Ukrainian provocation:

- Jesteś ukraińską suką.

- Nie, nie jestem ukraińską suką.

Annoy me? No I think it all should be done in a different way. It is the incompetence of the Polish politicians that annoys me.
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, I do not comment on the incident as I know very little about it. In my opinion, it should be professionally and thoroughly investigated.

I was reacting to your question; you expressed surprise.

You got a gift from God. Millions of white, Christian immigrants that your country desperately needs to stay competitive and to continue growing.

This is Ukraine's tragic loss, and to some extent Russia's. We are both losing what is most precious (in our case, through our own actions).

Yet... you behave as though this is not a gift, but a terrible burden.

Stories like the one above do not do much, to prevent these people picking up their bags and moving further Westwards from Poland soon as they can afford to do so. To sunnier shores in France and Germany.

This would be a huge Polish own goal.

Only Bangladeshis and Indians will come to replace the Ukrainians that leave.

Aaaah... my beloved Gród Gryfa, the city of my childhood and early adulthood. ❤️ Słupsk in 1990s was a bit like Dodge City in late 19th century, only slightly more dangerous. We didn't have Indians but Gypsies played the same role and could, on occasion, be even more dangerous - they didn't take your scalp but getting a knife
in the stomach was the usual treat. As for schools - they were a f*cking jungle.

I see not much has changed since then.


The idiot should be fired with a wilczy bilet.

Słupsk has always been Polish Wild West. I could write a book about it, and maybe one day I will. As for Gdańsk, I have never not only witnessed but even heard about any such occurrence in our schools. I always got the impression that Ukrainian students were under "special protection" from headmasters and form tutors (especially the first waves) but this protection was by and large unnecessary.

As for Słupsk... it's bloody 2025. Someone should finally sort this city out. Maybe Nawrocki should send territorial forces there, like Trump sent national guards to some American cities. F*cking disgrace.

Thank you.

You always speak with such warmth about your Ukrainian students - I knew you would see it correctly.

Kids don't deserve any of what's happening.

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This pissed me off: »Na front, kurwa ukraińska«. And the jokes about "Time to hide!".

I know kids are cruel, I was myself a kid once. And they don't understand what they say...

But these Ukrainians will grow up, and they will build a hate for you - and in this case you would have deserved it.

More instances of Slavs being absolute dogs towards each other.

Not only Ukrainian but also Belarussian and Russian. They are, in most cases, better students than their Polish peers and the speed at which they learn to speak perfect Polish is jaw-dropping.

You are absolutely spot on about Eastern Slavs being the best possible immigrants for Poland (alongside Poles from former Soviet Union). Our governments, no matter PiS or KO, have always realised it, and that's why I know they will sort out the Słupsk incident properly.

They are incompetent cretins who F it all up. Creating resentment in the Polish population.

Do you feel any resentment, Iron? I for sure don't, and the idiots who are easily manipulated by Braun's anti-Ukrainian antics are in the same league as retards getting his autographs on fire extinguishers.

Nawrocki is playing games, like this retard teacher - about showing "who is a real Polak".

This war is so emotionally... complex.

Today, I read Ukrainian comments and some amount to "they would never play this way with Russians".

To this, of course I sigh, and think to myself - "they do much worse things against us, than against you."

But this, even tangential appeal, to Russian authority of course pulls at the heart strings.

I don't know what they would want us to do - and likely we cannot do it - but it shows there is common work if we manage to unite. Even some territories.

It would be very stupid if the first thing we did after pooling our resources, was to teach the "Poles a lesson they won't soon forget".

Then Ironside would be right, and you would have grown an internal cancer.

To stop that - behave in Christian fashion towards these unfortunate people. They may decide your fate one day.

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My point in fewer words - Ukrainians are not orphans, and they have a big brother that will stand up for them.

He is dreaming of replacing Kaczynski as the PiSfuhrer but when that happens PiS won't be what it is today. Their electorate is dying out (I would say "luckily" but that would be unchristian).


Do you know why this incident shook Polish public opinion so much? Because it's just that - a shocking incident.


Like taking "Zakerzonia" together? Hm... I'm afraid Ukrainians have a bit more serious reasons to bear a grudge against Russia than a retarded teacher and a broken collarbone (as bad and embarrassing as they are).


*sighs*

Why does Slavic family have to be so dysfunctional?

No, I mean just "some Ukrainian territories". Not Polish territories. What we occupy now basically - with several millions of inhabitants.

They all have relatives in Poland.

I will talk like Grunnie now for a second, but imagine (allegorically/metaphorically), these people complain to us about how Poles treated them?

Then - from a position where we have no good reason to mess with Poland - we suddenly have politically explosive and leverageable hatred.

Their politicians will rise through our ranks, and when presented with an opportunity to make life more difficult for Poland - will always argue in favor.

Otherwise neutral Moscow, begins to be pulled in the Ukrainian direction, and starts thinking... "These Poles are indeed incorrigible kurwas, perhaps we really should do something..."

This is exactly how the Ukrainian war started. Former Ukrainians arriving in Moscow, and whispering hate into the tsar's ear. Read about Medvedchuk and Yanukovich.

From a place where we currently do not want to fight Poland, these people will be able to convince us that we have no choice but to punish the Poles.

We are reacting better than your average European country. Except for school, going by little that I know, there are some issues, but the Polish school systems have had these sorts of issues or similar.
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That is the wrong question. You know that I'm Ironside, not for nothing. I recognize some policies as harmful or unnecessary that is the way I think. I also recognize reality and see that a lot of people in our population feel that resentment due to the press, harmful policies, and facts.
Are you going to argue that they shouldn't feel that resentment? lol? Go ahead.
The law and order should be working better - again incompetence of the Polish politicians.
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What has he done? I'm not aware.
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I don't think Moscow is that irrational; it's irrational but on a different level.
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Who the F do they think they are? If anyone deserves punishment, those are indeed Moskale.