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Blue eyes of Gavrilo Princip for the independance of Poland. Was it worth?



Seanus
12 Aug 2011  #21

Crow, I have a question. How much of Polish history do you learn in schools and how much comes through private research?

Others chose the continuation of his act, they used a pretext. Gavrilo felt he had a point to make and war was always on the table anyway. The quest for independence is always worth it if you believe in it enough.
Crow
29 Jun 2014  #22

Bosnia and Herzegovina: Gavrilo Princip statue unveiled in Sarajevo

youtube.com/watch?v=8khNWgOhik0

Merged: Should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip? - opinions

So, should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip, to man that initiated chain reaction of events that led to the independence of Poland? Should Poland show its gratitude to the young Serbian student who assassinated Austrian Archduke Ferdinand and sacrificed his life believing that Slavs deserve freedom from Germanic yoke?

Gavrilo

Gavrilo Princip
Harry
13 Jan 2015  #23

So, should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip

Polish people don't like monuments to cowards who murder women. I know that in some places scum who murder women are heroes (even more so if they murder the women after keeping them in special rape camps such as the ones in Grbavica and Foca, where sick scum raped 12-year old girls), but here in Poland we look down on those who murder women; of course you are free to glorify them as much as you want.
Crow
13 Jan 2015  #24

Polish people don't like monuments to cowards who murder women.

she died by mistake, as Gavrilo aimed to hit Franz. Gavrilo admitted it.

Coward is her husband Ferdinand who took her in car with him, no matter that was warned for real possibility of assassination. Think of man who risk the life of his wife that way. But, considering how many animals Franz Ferdinand killed in his life of sport hunter (about 300.000 animals; by Ferdinand`s own records), no wonder that such a man didn`t respect life of its own life.

I know that in some places scum who murder women are heroes (even more so if they murder the women after keeping them in special rape camps such as the ones in Grbavica and Foca, where sick scum raped 12-year old girls)

propaganda Harry. NATO`s and EU`s war propaganda. They needed to justify their alliance with mujaheedines, against Serbs and invented all kind of crap to portrait Serbs as bad guys.

but here in Poland we look down on those who murder women

Then look down at NATO and EU

of course you are free to glorify them as much as you want.

why not. Gavrilo was freedom fighter, Ferdinand was invader.

Gavrilo Princip contributed a lot of to liberation of Poland.
Harry
13 Jan 2015  #25

she died by mistake, as Gavrilo aimed to hit Franz. Gavrilo admitted it.

Go and look up the word 'murder'.

propaganda Harry. NATO`s and EU`s war propaganda.

While you've got out the dictionary, look up the word 'propaganda'.
The rapes (and murder) of tens of thousands of Bosnian women by the same kind of scum that murdered Duchess Sophie is a proven fact and recognised world-wide. That you still claim it never happened is one of the main reasons you should be banned from PF and every other public forum on the internet: you bring shame on Serbia and you badly damage the image of Serbs the world over. A lot of people haven't met any Serbs, they don't know that most Serbs are good people, but they have heard about the crimes committed by a tiny minority of Serbs and now they see you making excuses for the rapists and murderers: who can blame them for concluding that all Serbs are either murderous rapist scum or so contemptible that they excuse and defend murderous rapist scum?
Crow
13 Jan 2015  #26

Go and look up the word 'murder'.

bottom line is, she was at wrong place in wrong time. She wasn`t target but Franz. She is collateral victim. After all, ultimately, she was also representative of foreign invader and so hear death was death on duty, meaning- she was also legitimate target. But, between you and me Harry, her husband killed her insisting that she goes with him in the death car. Cruel Franz

While you've got out the dictionary, look up the word 'propaganda'.

Propaganda Harry, yes. Believe it or not Harry, NATO and EU are capable to invent things in order to achieve their goals. Back then, when pledge to destroy Yugoslavia, EU and NATO were in alliance with worse Islamic mujaheedines, now days those same mujaheedines coming to them as boomerang. Go figure that Harry
Harry
13 Jan 2015  #27

she was also legitimate target.

The fact that you consider innocent women to be "legitimate targets" is no surprise. However, here in Poland we do not share your sick views; here in Poland we do not want statues of scum who murder innocent women.

she was also representative of foreign invader

Your lack of knowledge of basic historical fact is as unsurprising as your support for the murder of innocent women.

Propaganda Harry, yes.

Every time you deny the crimes of a tiny minority of your countrymen you harm all of your countrymen. For the good of all Serbs you should be banned from PF and all other internet forums.
Crow
13 Jan 2015  #28

The fact that you consider innocent women to be "legitimate targets" is no surprise.

i don`t consider her legitimate target, neither did the Gavrilo, who nicely explained when asked. Just, it happened that she die being on wrong place in wrong time. She should stay at home and not taken part in provocation of Serbs. You must admit Harry, if you wants to be honest (hand on heart), that Ferdinand pushed her a little bit harder and she fell from the edge. Don`t blame Gavrilo now

Your lack of knowledge of basic historical fact is as unsurprising as your support for the murder of innocent women.

stop repeating your nonsenses Harry. Nobody here suggests murdering innocent woman. You know its not about it

Every time you deny the crimes of a tiny minority of your countrymen you harm all of your countrymen.

i warmly suggests you to pray Harry. You lying a lot of but, God shell found way to forgive you
Harry
13 Jan 2015  #29

i don`t consider her legitimate target

How quickly you back-track on what you say when it is pointed out everybody what kind of 'man' supports killing innocent women. Didn't you just say:

meaning- she was also legitimate target.

You must admit Harry, if you wants to be honest (hand on heart), that Ferdinand pushed her a little bit harder and she fell from the edge.

That is utterly pathetic, even by your ultra-disgusting standards. Do you also want to blame the fathers of the 12-year old children your Serbian heroes raped in Foca for that Serbian crime? Is there no low you won't stoop to in order to defend Serb criminals and scum?

A statue of Gavrilo Princip would be as welcome in Poland as a statue of the paedophile rapists from Foca, perhaps even less welcome: at least the actions of the paedophile scum didn't result in the deaths of more than a million Poles.
Crow
13 Jan 2015  #30

How quickly you back-track on what you say when it is pointed out everybody what kind of 'man' supports killing innocent women. Didn't you just say:

Point is, i know that she wasn`t Gavrilo`s target. i myself think that she wasn`t target, don`t see reason for it. Just, she shouldn`t be there, same way, after all, as Ferdinand shouldn`t be there. We all know that Ferdinand exposed her and she paid with her life, Fran`z`s stupidity, arrogance and maniacal necessity to control things.

Do you also want to blame the fathers of the 12-year old children your Serbian heroes raped in Foca for that Serbian crime?

Let God forgive you for your lies. NATO and EU propaganda machinery destroyed your brain. They wanted war and they invented reasons for the war

A statue of Gavrilo Princip would be as welcome in Poland as a statue of the paedophile rapists from Foca, perhaps even less welcome

Thanks for opinion.

/i shall pray for you/
mmmm
30 Apr 2015  #31

Lol, I accidentaly came here and I can't believe what you guys are saying.
First of all, term ,,,terrorist'' desribes person who is fighting against a legal government. Austro-Hungarian government in Balkan was everything but legal. They were mistreating people here and taking away every civil right from them. They were a dictators and I would compare these guys with Hitler. Gavrilo was ready to dye for his country and it's a really questionable what would be happening if he didn't kill Ferdinand.

However, Austrians were just waiting for the least incident to start the war. Conditions in the country already were a similar to the war conditions.

And it doesn't matter who was a Gavrilo's victim, he did what he had to do. He had to kill Ferdinand and his wife was close to him. Loss of Ferdinand's wife was nothing when we compare a Serbian losses.

In short - Gavrilo Princip was a fighter for freedom, fighter against occupiers. I hope God will forgive him for a murders which he had to do and intention to kill himself after that.

Btw, I can't believe that you guys are posting such a negative things against Serbs. Starting with Gavrilo Princip, you are accusing him for killing Ferdinand's woman? Wtf. Talking about the other crimes, yes they existed. And I see that you are talking about Foca crimes. You know, not everyone is perfect in the army. All war criminals from Serbia were accused and they are sitting in the jail atm. Serbs were making a crimes during the war, but not just them. Everyone were doing it and just Serbian people are in jail for it.

90's war : Ante Gotovina and Croatians, Haradinaj and Kosovo Albanians(war criminals from UCK are even sitting in ,,the Kosovo governement'' atm, chatting with Obama and fellas), Bosnian mujahedeen, etc. ; none of them is in jail.

WW1 and 2 - Serbian losses were huge, almost 2 milion people got killed. Ante Pavelic killed smt like more than 1 milion Serbs, Jews and others,, in overall. And still, nobody from his army wasn't punished. Croatians are even denying war crimes and existance of Jasenovac camp.
Harry
30 Apr 2015  #32

Starting with Gavrilo Princip, you are accusing him for killing Ferdinand's woman? Wtf.

Let me guess, you want us to believe that she shot herself, right?
Crow
30 Apr 2015  #33

Thanks for the comment mmmm

Problem is, or rather truth is, crimes on Serbs are desirable by the west of Europe. Genocide on Serbs is legal. That is why are crimes on Serbs allowed and then denied. On the other side, when anybody impose war on Serbs, while Serbs defend themselves, eventual Serbian crimes are regularly reported and presented in mass media with exaggeration. Or, if there is no Serbian crimes, they are invented.

i sow today in news that Czech president Zeman again underlined how is Kosovo mafia state, how is led by real terrorists and criminals and how is great injustice done to Serbs, how Czechs must support Serbs because they are in debt to them. i truly admire to Czechs for their loyalty to truth. Great people. Before Zeman, Czech president Klaus defended Serbs with same passion. Noble Polish president Lech Kaczinsky, God gave Him peace, defended Serbs, too.

Czech president refers to Thaci as "war criminal"

April 30, 2015 | 09:34 / b92
b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2015&mm=04&dd=30&nav_id=93961

BELGRADE -- Czech President Milos Zeman says that he personally does not recognize Kosovo as independent and therefore is not sending an ambassador to Pristina.

Tanjug quoted the Vecernje Novosti article, to be published on Friday, as stating that Zeman said Serbs supported Czechs "in 1934 and in 1944" after the Soviet aggression.

"We are in your debt and we need to repay our debt. Friendship is one of the best ways to do this," said the Czech president.

Did you know people that first alliance between Czech and Serbian ancestors happened when Sarmatian Boii and Skoridsci formed anti-Roman tribal alliance?

Serbians (Balkan and Lusatian Serbs/Sorbs) are last Sarmats who still using local forms of original Sarmatian name as their ethnic name, once universal name of all Slavs. You can bet, it is one of reasons (one of few) for Serbs are doomed, for they are hunted. They have to extinct so that truth dies with them. So that fabricators of history can finish their sinister masterwork. But, Sarmats shall prevail and burn flame of resistance, once again
mmmm
6 May 2015  #34

Good to see that someone is thinking on a good way, someone who isn't listening western propaganda. :)

About Harry's post, it would be the best if there is a world peace and that Gavrilo didn't have any reason to kill anybody. But victim of Ferdinand's wife is nothing if we compare Serbian victims in the war against Austria and before that war and it's funny how you are even mentioning her.

So I don't know, if murdering of 1 000 000 Serbs from Croatians and much more from Turkeys, Germans, Albanians etc., bombing country with depleted uranium in 1999. and diseasing much, much more people cancer due that(Serbia is the first people in Europe if we are looking number of deaths due the cancer, for more information take a look at documentary Deadly Dust (Todesstaub) ) .. If this isn't a crime(that's what Europan and world leaders are saying and what they want everyone else to think), than murdering 1 dictator and dictator's woman also ain't a crime.

A lot of worse crimes were made by other countries from Balkan, from Turkey, from Germany and Austria, from Spain, from America and Britain and nobody was punished... But they need some countries to be a bad guys in the public eyes, and Serbia is one of them.
Crow
5 Jul 2015  #35

Gavrilo Princip, `rebel angel` - as Nobel Prize winner Ivo Andric called him

Monument to rebel Slavic and Serbian patriot Gavrilo Princip erected in Belgrade, in the presence of presidents of Serbia (Tomislav Nikolic) and Serb Republic within Bosnia and Herzegovina- RS (Milorad Dodik)

few quotations from the article

Monument to Gavrilo Princip unveiled in Belgrade

Tanjug Monday, June 29, 2015 | 11:59
b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2015&mm=06&dd=29&nav_id=94588

"Gavrilo Princip was a hero, a symbol of the idea of freedom, the assassin of tyrants and the carrier of the European idea of liberation from slavery," Nikolic said at the ceremony.

As far as Germany and Austria-Hungary were concerned, World War I was imminent even without the assassination, he said, and added that "then, as well as now, as always, Serbia opposed the war."

"Serbia is expressing its stance on the 'rebelled angels' - as Nobel Prize winner Ivo Andric called them - here and now, with the monument to Princip, that has been awaited for more than a century," the president said.

delphiandomine
5 Jul 2015  #36

Crowie, can you help me?

I tried to find the monument to Princip in Istoèno Sarajevo last summer, but couldn't find it. Can you have a look online and see if you can find the address, please? :)
Crow
5 Jul 2015  #37

delphe, listen.

Just come to eastern (Serbian) Sarajevo municipality and ask for Gavrilo Princip`s city park. Best is to ask some taxi driver or policeman to give you direction.

Gavrilo

Gavrilo`s monument in eastern Sarajevo city park; monument that was erected in Belgrade represent copy of this one from Sarajevo

Polish article about Gavrilo Princip and recently built monument to Gavrilo in Bosnia, in Serbian enclave

Gavrilo Princip: bohater czy terrorysta?

histmag.org/Gavrilo-Princip-bohater-czy-terrorysta-9673

Tuż przed setną rocznicą zamachu na arcyksięcia Franciszka Ferdynanda we Wschodnim Sarajewie odsłonięto pomnik Gavrilo Principa, serbskiego radykała pochodzącego z Bośni. Przez wielu uważany za terrorystę, który wywołał konflikt w Europie, wśród bośniackich Serbów wciąż cieszy się estymą wybawiciela spod habsburskiej okupacji.

jon357
1 Oct 2016  #38

Gavrilo Princip: bohater czy terrorysta?

Murderous terrorist.
Crow
1 Oct 2016  #39

Bohater. Without Gavrilo and Serbian people today`s Poland most probably wouldn`t exist as state. Without Serbian struggle for independence (from Austria and from Ottomans) i hardly can imagine circumstances which could led to independence of Poland. Those were Serbians who literally pushed Poland out of western European sphere and certain assimilation of Poles there and, the same time, prevented Russian domination over the Poles. Those were Serbians who gave hope. Druids that summoned Sarmatian Dragon that breathed new life into deadly sleeping Poland, which then raised Her noble head.

Moment when Gavrilo- a Sarmatian Dragon awakened Poland

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mafketis
2 Oct 2016  #40

Without Gavrilo and Serbian people

Without him WWI might not have happened and millions of people wouldn't have been killed. In England, the sex ratio of killing (millions of young men, almost no young women) meant that a generation of English women had to support themselves in the workplace. This explosion into the workplace by women with no chance of marrying (thanks to Gavrilo) has often been credited with leading to the feminist movement.

So what you're saying is that modern feminism is thanks to Serbia?!??!

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