USA News and Poland - part 15

@cms neuf
You really have no idea about what you are talking about. The EU will not only blink, they will bend the knee and kiss the ring. All those bonds are being scooped up. Treasury yeilds are going up, because Trump is making deals. Starmer said the UK deal saved thousands of UK jobs. But of course the pressure from the tariffs isnt working to make countries negotiate. India is next, Canada is waiting in line. When the EU comes to the table, they will be dealing with Trump who has already made deals and set a baseline for things to come. The EU may not like the baseline thats established because they took too long to get to the table.

Eh ? Bond yields go up when there is inflation or when you can't sell your bonds and need to increase your interest rates

The precise opposite of what you say

Nobody will be kissing the US ring any more except tiny crack pot countries like Slovakia and El Salvador.

@cms neuf
Incorrect once again. Bond yields go up when there is confidence in the bond market. This happens when there is a selloff, like what China is doing, so that creates a buyers market to get higher yields. No one needs to increase interest rates, these bond selloffs create greater rates of interest on the bond itself. While existing bonds lose a little value, these selloffs are great for big buyers.

And just as we talk about kissing the ring Ursula is putting on her lipstick.

OMG

Buyers markets mean lower prices FOR THE BUYER. In this case better yields. If demand was strong, the yield would fall

What is it about math(s) that confuses MAGA types ?

Why not just Google "are high bond yields good for the government" ?

Or maybe to put it in terms that the meth heads of Steubenville understand - higher bond yields mean more of Americans taxes being spent on paying debts.

That's is one of the funniest things anyone has said here in almost 20 years of this forum. You


Exactly. Is PAK really that inane or is he just lying and hoping nobody will notice?

US gov should be prohibited from selling bond of any kind. They have the power to tax. This must be enough.

Anybody in Congress who votes for deficit spending should be shot right on the spot and his assets should be forfeited.

Hey, moorons, PAK is spot on right...

When there is a selloff, bond prices go down, and the yield goes up. Duh!

You, morons, are not entitled to argue with your own interpretation of "confidence".

Why would there be a sell off if there was confidence in the market ?

That is mental

There is no sense arguing with people like you who don't understand such basic things. Anyway I am sure you are in for a 12 hour shift of trans, racism and misogyny but I'm going out for a few drinks in the Stare Miasto

Go see your sandbox buddies if you want to discuss this subject at this level.

Women (not all) are sick morons. Not because they fvck boys but because they think they will get away with this crap.

Lunch lady 'had sex with boy every day inside school closet'...and staff missed chilling clue about what was going on

Yes, women are THAT stupid...and there is no cure for it...It's in their DNA - a condition as permanent as that shlt is mostly brown and smell bad.

Another female genius who didn't mind putting everything on the line for a fvck...

All she had to do is post "I fvck for free" on craigslist and all would be fine...To do this, however, the IQ must be higher than 50.

Teacher is arrested for 'having sex with student' who 'found her crying in her classroom'

One of America's most Democratic states is experiencing a dramatic shift to the right for the first time in decades.

A new poll has found New York could be competitive for Republicans as candidates eye challenging unpopular Democratic Governor Kathy Hochul who is running for reelection in 2026.

Fascists!!!! Xenophobes!!!! Racists!!!! Putin's tools!!!! MAGA idiots!!!!

...largely because the Democratic party has long since forgotten about their grassroots voters
and left the White Majority out in the cold!

The whiff of cheap labor continues to assail our nostrils and those fed up to the teeth
comprise the bulk of Trump supporters, sad but so.

Who is sad and why?

A Florida father-of-three was utterly disgusted at the $1,400 he had to pay to take his family of four on a 'bargain' day out to Walt Disney World.

They would have to pay me 1400 to go there for a day.

One of my problems is that I am allergic to woke morons. My skin crawls and the only remedy is venting on PF.

@Novichok
When people have never made investments, but want to argue investing, they always head to google to try to form an opinion.

When there is a singular large seller, that seller is in distress. China. That distressed owner of bonds goes on a gradually declining in value selling spree. This leads to other investors buying at lower costs, producing higher yields. Its pretty simple. But go ahead and argue your own points that are not supported by any real experience.

Meanwhile, Vance is the one who got Pakistan and India talking to get a cease fire. But of course he wont get credit for it from the lefties. Trump is making trade deals. And China is now at the table ready to make concessions. Ursula is preparing for trade negotiations now, and is said to have bought some knee pads for a private meeting with Trump. But you know, those tariffs arent going to work, no one will negotiate.

Centre-right parties always do, unfortunately.

That creates a void for out of control populists and their appalling supporters

98-year-old vet crushes Tesla with tank



driving.ca/auto-news/crashes/war-vet-tesla-tank-crush-fascism-protest

This veteran is a great guy - he fought fascism in WW2 and he keeps fighting fascism even in his retirement!

But China is not in distress. They are not desperate for money.

When you talk about distress in bonds, you are mostly referring to the issuer. The issuer is the country that is borrowing money. In this case the US. For all its problems however the US is not yet in distress like say Greece or North Nigeria.

Maybe you want to join the investment thread like the other MAGA math genius, Ptak !

MAGA don't understand simple mathematics concepts like tariffs or inflation or ETFs, let alone slightly more involved like bond yields.

@cms neuf
Wrong. China is in distress. You have no clue about the Chinese economy. Many factories owned by the state are closed, and workers are laid off, or sent on holiday. Shipments cancelled and ships turned around from ports. Its exactly why they are selling to keep things afloat, and exactly why they are negotiating.

I have read the investment thread its prettty funny. It is hilarious to read the bragging and individual stock picks of some.

But that is a totally separate issue - even if Chinese businessmen are closing factories (doubtful) that has nothing to do with US bonds held (and being sold) by the Chinese government.

You are of course welcome to add your own tips to the investment thread

Things like that don't strengthen your case; in fact they do the direct opposite.

Never try to become a lawyer.


Basically yes. If factories were going dark en-masse there, it would be front page news.

Bond yields rise when the markets have decreasing confidence in a country's economy.

@cms neuf
I am not a stock expert. I only deal with blue chips that pay dividends and then auto reinvest in those same stocks with dividends. Crypto trading, thats another story.

reuters.com/world/inside-chinas-decision-come-table-trump-tariffs-2025-05-09/

"Among the main drivers of Beijing's climb-down were internal signals that Chinese companies were struggling to avoid bankruptcies and to replace the U.S. market, three people familiar with the Chinese government's thinking said.1"

If China cant replace the US market, how is Europe going to? No chance. Ursula better pucker up.

Which bonds? Corporate or US?

Simple.

Make artillery and tanks. Go to war with Russia and watch the EU GDP go through the roof.

I was told that wars are good for the economy. There...A genius again...

The same theory applies to both, but in this case we are talking about US treasury bonds which started crashing because of Golden Cow's crazy policy

What Chinese climb down are you talking about ? That hasn't happened

It has happened and thats why they are talking to the US now and negotiating. Talks in Geneva. Comapnies in China facing bankruptcy already. The bonds started declining because of the China sell off, due to Trumps tariffs on China. Its not a crazy policy when everyone is negotiating, its a policy that did what it was intended to do. Why is a policy considered crazy when it achieves the intended results? Trumps talk is just talk, but his pen is very strong at taking action that produces the desired results.

That said, no country should be dumb enough to import American meets loaded with antibiotics and steroids. RFK has a lot of work left to do, but he is getting a lot done. Whats crazy is that the drug companies are against safty testing all vacinnes that have never been tested. If they are safe, theres no problem. No one is talking about taking them off the shelves before testing is complete. So why would big pharma object to testing? Why is it somehow ok for the FDA to approve products for human consumption that have chemicals derived from petroleum?

Hey, Golden Moron, what is "crashing"? Price or yield?


This is why the US government should never be allowed to sell US Bonds to foreigners.

What ? When prices fall yields go up - they move in opposite directions

I thought you were an engineer ? Remind me to avoid the bridges and car parks of Illinois if you helped build them

I just love the "Golden Moron" that I am ready to use it instead of CMS. Sounds good, and one instantly knows who you are dealing with.