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jon357
23 Dec 2025  #991

a huge shift of the capital upwards to the rich from the poor and the middle classes. Richer get even more obscenely rich.

So everything going to plan for conservatives, fascists etc.

it is productive human labour that is the source of real value

This is still true in the age of IT.

Karl was right.

Torq
23 Dec 2025  #992

Karl was right.

No.

Benedict XIV was right, long before Marx (Vix Pervenit); and then Pius XI (Quadragesimo Anno) and John Paul II (Laborem Exercens) among others. As far as lay writers are concerned, G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc had something interesting to say on the matter as well (Catholic distributism).

Both capitalism and communism/socialism are fundamentally flawed systems. Only Catholic Social Teaching holds the key to the common good, dignity of human labour, subsidiarity, solidarity, social justice, and preferential option for the poor.

jon357
23 Dec 2025  #993

Marx

Who was right.

G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc

Fascists the pair of them,

Belloc's The Servile State is an odd one. The last part was where the scammer Ayn Rand got much of the silly ideas she used to push and pretend to believe.

capitalism and communism

Worth remembering that Socialism isn't just some weakened down sort of communism. It's the workers control, of the means of production, achieved through the ballot box and expressed in ollextive bargaining for wages, health and safety at work, the 5 weeks paid leave that we all take for granted, maternity and paternity leave, free compulsory education and not having to worry about 'medical bills'.

It's also about things like sanepid, driving rules, weapons control and town planning, all of which have been opposed over the years by conservatives.

Torq
23 Dec 2025  #994

Fascists the pair of them

Nonsense. Unless you use the term 'fascist' in a typical leftist way of 'someone I don't agree with'.

the workers control, of the means of production

Name one country in the world where this is implemented.

bargaining for wages, health and safety at work, the 5 weeks paid leave that we all take for granted, maternity and paternity leave, free compulsory education and not having to worry about 'medical bills'

We have all this, and more, in Poland, without socialism.

The real problem is the acceptance of usury, under all its forms, all over the world. It is usury (interest) that is completely and utterly untenable and will always lead to a collapse of any economy. There is no amount of wealth production in the world that can keep up with usurious compound interest. Check out Shylock's Ewes and Rams by E. Michael Jones.

I can agree with you that ownership of productive property is key to human dignity. No doubt about it. But the way to achieve it is not through collectivism, soviets (rady), class struggle, and centralising power (which always leads to disspossesing of families and poverty) but through reconstruction of the social order rooted in Christian moral law. No other way than Catholic Social Doctrine.

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #995

Politicians nowadays, especially Magas, don't have vision, rather double vision, often bordering on astigmatism!

If a society isn't there for everyone, it's there for no one.

Alien
23 Dec 2025  #996

don't have vision, rather double vision, often bordering on astigmatism

They have cataracts. 🙈

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #997

Even worse, glaucoma (GruenerSta
r) 😁

Novichok
23 Dec 2025  #998

especially Magas

Cut the crap...

Should the border be open or closed? Biden or Trump?

Should illegals be deported or not?

Are "trans women" women?

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #999

Tough issues have no easy answers.

Novichok
23 Dec 2025  #1000

...only to treasonous scumbags and women haters....

BTW, did you know that Epstein was Jewish? So were Rosenbergs and Pollard?

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #1001

The Indranghetta and the Kamora were NOT Jewish, not even close, pal!!
For every Madoff, Epstein, there was Aaron Feuerstein, just remember that.
So said his wife on a 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace, "If I wanted to marry a rich businessman, I certainly would not have married Aaron."
😁

Novichok
23 Dec 2025  #1002

Should the border be open or closed? Biden or Trump?

Should illegals be deported or not?

Are "trans women" women?

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #1003

Yes, yes, not sure.

Novichok
23 Dec 2025  #1004

MAGA people know that an either-or question cannot be answered with a yes.

often bordering on astigmatism!

I would about non-MAGA stupidity, not MAGA astigmatism.

But I have to give you credit for that slimy response...Later, you will say, with some irritation, that you already answered that question.

No, weasel, you did not.

Ron2
23 Dec 2025  #1005

Americans struggle financially, but the fat idiot pays $3000 for illegals to "self deport."

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced Monday that it is now offering a $3,000 stipend and a free flight to undocumented migrants who sign up to self-deport through the CBP Home app by the end of the year.

lex18.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-ups-offer-to-3-000-for-undocumented-migrants-who-self-deport

Lyzko
23 Dec 2025  #1006

Thoughtfulness is not slime!
Intelligent sentient beings know it as maturity.

Novichok
23 Dec 2025  #1007

Americans struggle financially, but the fat idiot pays $3000 for illegals to "self deport."

Not my method.

My method: You have until Date X to get the fvck out. After Date X, it's 10 years in the slammer, forfeiture of everything you own, and a deportation when we are done with you.

Zero cost.

$3000 for those who report an illegal scum. $10,000 for those who shoot them in self-defense...legally...

Thoughtfulness is not slime!

Answering an A-or-B question with a Yes is slimy or moronic.

Which one are you?


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