IF EU let refugees to Europe

"IF EU let refugees to Europe"

That is the point! EU SHOULD NOT LET THEM IN!

And it is very wrong call all those guys crossing the mediterranean from Africa to Europe as refugees.

Refugees are persecuted people dislocated by punctual conflicts. Ukrainians from Donetsk, Syrian Christians or Shia Muslims or Yazidis are refugees.

Most of those people are from Senegal, Mauritania, Kartoum, etc. They are poor? Yes. But not persecuted. Actually some of them ARE THE PERSECUTORS.

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So they are illegal immigrants, but not refugees.

Ps: Gosc, it is nice to discuss with you when you dont do personal offenses, as usually.

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The situation is most critical, those people are really unfortunate but EU (and others) cannot accept half of Africa in their member countries. Although no expert ;), I believe that it would make more sense to help them stay in Africa while first of all, opening refugee camps there (I think Hilary Clinton has mentioned it).

Could you please explain which Polish law they have broken. Thank you in advance.

That is incorrect and shows that you know NOTHING about the situation in Syria other than what you hear and repeat from Islamophobic media.

The vast majority of the victims of the conflict in Syria are in fact "Sunni" Syrians, and the vast majority of them were killed by the actions of the regime of Bashar Al Asad, in particular indiscriminate bombing of residential areas with crude large explosives known as "barrel bombs" and rockets, and summary executions by regime forces. I know this because I and several of my family members cooperate with NGOs that support the victims of the conflict in Syria.

There are victims of other groups of Syrian people of course, but the ratio of "Sunni" killed or displaced vs. others killed or displaced is about 9:1 while the ratio in terms of total numbers is 3:2. That means in case you can't do math that a "Sunni" is 6 times more likely to be displaced or killed today in Syria in comparison to any other Syrian. My numbers are from NGOs working on the ground in Syria, and not from any kind of media. And before you wrongly accuse me of being biased, please know that I am not a Muslim, and I, in terms of birth religion, come from a small religious minority that has been persecuted by Muslims in particular for over 1000 years.

Please check your facts before you talk about this. Hundreds of thousands have died and they deserve the respect of knowing what you are talking about if you feel inclined to talk on their behalf.

Another thing that you clearly know nothing about is the 1948 war. That was the establish of the State of Israel. Also, not all Poles that lived or continue to live in Syria are Jewish. While it is true that most Syrian jews have left Syria (less than 1000 remain).

A few years ago I was stopped at Coventry airport and singled out by customs - even after I had handed him my (UK) passport the guy still asked the purpose of my visit, although my passport stated that I was in fact..........British.

He was Asian and by age and accent clearly definable as an immigrant (as in - born in Asia) He had obviously taken the letter of the law too literally and was defending Britains' borders zealousy :)

Quite to be expected.
After all - it is always the immigrants who shout loudest lest anybody has the temerity to join them :) LOL.


Half of my classmates back in Nottingham were children of immigrants - they knew where they came from, were generally A grade students, and had a social conscience. Something that seems to be lacking today sadly, and overly heard in your posts, if I may say so.

Crow: bang on, EU has no cash, too busy bailing out the work shy, non tax paying, early retiring Greeks, who by the way LIED about their national debt to get into the Euro in 2004.

If you're going to slag off the Greeks, at least get your facts right. They entered the Euro in 2001.

ok what becomes of the immigrants?
either syrians ,sunnis ,africans and wherever the immigrant crisis in the first half of 2015 globally is a warning sign

The world is getting smaller now and the birth rate in some places is higher than the resources to support the people. As in Darfur a few years ago. And we have so many wars, such hopelessness and those in the midst of it all have TV and the Internet and be live the streets are paved with gold in Europe. Which in some ways they are compared to the slums of Brazzaville.

Hence the drive to Europe will increase. Unless we do something to make life better back home (and after all Europeans, especially France, Belguim and Italy) have had enough income from those places in the past) people will leave in desperation and seek the decent life that they see in films and on TV.

Low-brow anti-immigration rhetoric that we see here and in the Daily Mail & Onet comments pages will achieve precisely a big fat zero. It won't stop even one person from coming, nor will far-right political numpty parties. The only solution I suspect will be financially costly.

One wonders how many big, fat, rich, hedonistic Westerners would gladly share some of their wealth with Third World slum-dwellers living from hand to mouth.

Well, Pol3, you'll have to read the Gospels for some advice about that one, won't you. There's plenty enough in there.

"Europe is now facing the biggest population movement since WW2"

Due to its own stupidity... So Mr tolerance, why aren't these people accepted in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait and so on ?

" So Mr tolerance, why aren't these people accepted in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait and so on ?"

to you, it is Miss, thank you.
Yes Tony Blair's and Bush's oil wars WERE pretty 'stupid' weren't they?
I am not sure that they are trying to go there are they?
in Syria there is a little thing called a 'war' . The refugees head directly west to Greece. AFAIK Saudi Arabia and so on are not on that route. So its a pretty silly point.

"and a vast majority of people trying to get into Europe are war refugees, women and children. "

LOL !

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"Yes Tony Blair's and Bush's oil wars WERE pretty 'stupid' weren't they?"

So take them now.

"in Syria there is a little thing called a 'war'"

Which your country helped to start, help them now.

That was my next question auuu but you beat me to it. They are not accepted there because they are merely more Muslim countries. Beheadings oppression of females pedophiles. ....Muslim. So they flee across the water where they know idiot countries have no border security, no balls and are civilised. Then when they get there they start practicing their backward ways again.

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" Which your country helped to start, help them now."

yes, that was my point really.
yet you were saying that they should be shot at the border.
Make your mind up, you are not being rational.

imagine if all the WW2 refugees trying to get to other countries had simply been shot on arrival?
Would that have been a good thing in your opinion?

This is not ww2. This is just yanks deliberately trashing the middle east and sending the fall out to eu. They come from across the sea from a different continent.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11836310/EU-migration-crisis-live.html

Any volunteers to shoot them?

I know we could have a PF crack squad of immigrant hunters, with our own tabard and logo'd guns.
Who will be the leader?

I beg your pardon. America is trying to pre-emptively save the world from the major threat it now faces: ISIS.
Everybody thought it would be a snap, but it turns out the Muslim terrorist fanatics have deeply infiltrated various countries and perfidiously hide amongst innocent civilians making them difficult to identify and track down. Don't think Oz is immune. They're out to claim the world for Allah under the slogan: Accept Islam or die!

Reuters Canada: "German Labor Minister Andrea Nahles said the influx of refugees and migrants would mean an extra 240,000-460,000 people would be entitled to German social benefits next year, costing the state an extra 3.3 billion euros ($3.7 billion)."

We will have to see how generous German voters will be feeling in the next election.

You'd be surprised, all the immigrants and those with the foreign background plus ethnic German left wing losers. Look what happened to Sweden, the only party that could stop the slow death of this country got only 13% votes in the last elections. Europe will turn into a third world continent, it's inevitable. The process is slow so we will probably live in a sort of civilized world till the rest of our lives but our children and grand children will have to face much harsher reality.

If you're a lentil munching sandal wearing liberal or a close the borders lock em-up and eff them right winger, the current movement of people from Asia and Africa will be a game changer for all living in the EU. It will put strains on many public institutions. This is without doubt. Germany had not planned to accommodate, provide medical care, educate, provide jobs or benefits to an additional 300,000 people this year. The illegal routes into the EU are now well established and news will be going back home that the EU is open for business and advice will is being handed out on how to get here. This is a social media exodus and there are facebook pages with instructions on how to get in. Borders are porous. The message is that if you're from a war torn country notably Syria or Eritrea then you will get asylum. There are currently around 4 million Syrians displaced and they all will be keen to get someone safe. Many more will come now this is just the start. Also people from other countries e.g. Pakistan, Bangladesh are piggy backing in on the current chaos caused by this influx and getting in more easily then they did before. Can the EU take in another 4 million migrants or even more? What effect will this have on the political landscape in the EU? Will it push countries to the right? Many of these people if they aren't granted asylum will drop off the radar into the black market and work illegaly to survive. What effect will this have on workers' rights? What if the EU doesn't take them in? Will we have blood on our hands? Shouldn't other countries nearer to Syria and with a similar culture do more to help?

Anyone know why this is happeoing precisely now? Five, ten, 15 or 20 years ago things were none too rosy in Africa and the Middle East but no such huge exodus ensued.

I think it has gone from 'none too rosy' to 'total disaster' exacerbated by oil wars and climate change.
A lot of people are talking about it as though these people had just decided to go walkabout on a whim....
The way people are talking here in the UK makes me ashamed. They forget the UK government has been playing around in the politics of the ME for at least a century.....if they ever do read a history book that is. Which I doubt.

This photograph is just as vivid as the picture of the South Vietnamese girl with her skin stripped off her body by US bomber napalm burns.

The boy is from Kobani; as far removed from Africa as we are.

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Germany doing it's very best to destroy Europe again. If you want to commit your own genocide, that's fine but don't attempt to pressure other European nations to do the same. It was refreshing to see UK government finally snapping out of it.

Question: Why are so many of these migrants Men? Why are they not picking up guns and fighting for their homeland

I don't think that's true David. I don't know how you found the time to post. And take that silver spoon out of your mouth.

MODS - why do you let idiots like this (who don't register, and therefore have NO voice here) pollute what for Poland is a valid debate?

Because of its very low birth rate, Germany shall need 6 million workers by 2030 and that's the reason why Germany "has to accept" so many of these migrants. However, Germany - wants - other countries to accept more (heard today on the news) ;).

Of course we need to do help these people some way. I personally believe it would be best to help them as per H. Clinton said because my concern is that among them, there most probably are (quite a few) islamists or would be islamists and then no need to be surprised later on if or rather when terrorist attacks in Europe. The EU and specially Germany as shown these days accept anybody arriving to Europe (complete anarchy, no plan whatsoever). Playing with matches is very dangerous but obviously politicians don't care.

I add that "Poland does not have any of migrants" ...

The Marshall Plan and the import of Turkish and Yugoslav Gastarbeiters largely contributed to post-war Germany's prosperity. The difference is that Turkish terrorists virtually did not exist. Now Germany will be importing Third Worlders and refugees whose masses are riddled with Islamists -- a major downside of the entire business.

The picture of that small Syrian boy dead on the Turkish beach does not seem to move a lot of people in Poland.