IF EU let refugees to Europe

^ How is that different than posting videos of migrants rioting in Hungary, fighting in Switzerland or robbing locals in Germany? Why are you not calling the other Middle Eastern nations avoiding refugees as extremist? Or how bout Asia - how many refugees for them? Still talking about Nazis in 2015 HA-HA! The nerve of these people thinking they can just march thru Continental Europe. The complete incompetence of Merkel/EU

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I've noticed German-Turks very quiet on the subject. They don't want them either. The Turkish stereotype in German has just been reset. All behavior in Germany by a Brown individual for the next 10 years will be viewed as Turk.

I read young Turks living in Germany had begun to return in large numbers over the past 3 years. Should expect even more now.

People who want to preserve their kin and way of life are "The Brood of Vipers?" Your "heart wrenching" video was actually comedy to a thinking person. She said they have no food and money in Syria yet they had 2,000 Euros PER PERSON, to move to Europe? She also made it clear they have no desire to stay in Hungary and want to reach a "safe country." Does that sound like genuine refugees in fear of their lives?

You won't be wiping out any "neo-nazis" anytime soon keyboard tough guy. I just watched a nationalist demonstration from Slovakia and the nationalists outnumbered the anti-fa scum at least 15 to 1. We have the strength and numbers, we are legion.

Asia Times article

Why not leave Germany to the migrants?

atimes.com/2015/09/why-not-leave-germany-to-the-migrants

"If the Germans won't have children, someone else will settle their land. The only question is who. Here the Germans are baffled. It makes no sense to take in barely-educated Arabs, a fifth of whom are illiterate.....

To declare that semi-literate Arab refugees do not meet the cultural qualifications for integration into German society implies that there is a cultural standard to begin with. That is a concept that most Germans (evidently including Chancellor Angela Merkel) cannot bear to pronounce. One suspects that Germans have so few children because they do not like themselves, their history or their culture to begin with. In that case, why should they require anyone else to adhere to a cultural standard they eschew themselves? And if they dislike their culture so much as to head towards extinction, does it matter to them that another culture-brutal as it might be-will replace theirs?"

Good morning all. This forum is here for people to give their ''opinions'' they won't all be the same which is the whole point.

As has been said by others earlier, these people won't integrate, it's cultural and maybe natural, you will have Afghans living here, Iraq's living there all in their own little communities and once a week they will go to the ''centre'' to pick up their free money.

99% of all wars are based on religion. Why is it that when you don't agree with their ''opinion'' the leftie tree huggers answer is always the same ''you must be a Nazi, racist etc.... playing the race card knowing that most people shy away from the subject, yet, when someone does stand up and say what most people think they are berated and called a ''racist'' lets not forget the divisions within black nations, ''wrong type of Muslim'' the caste system in India.

For those of you that have never visited the UK, please go, look at the inner city slums in Birmingham, Manchester, Coventry, etc.... areas of the country where the white British are a minority race.

We all saw yesterday what happens when you say no to these people, violence but remember, these people are not intimidated by anyone and anything, they're used to seeing guys walking up the street with rocket launchers on their backs, some Hungarian policeman saying '' get off the fence'' we all saw the response yesterday.

And.......? Do you know why that may be the case on certain streets? If not - I would be very happy to enlighten you. It is simply because the indigenous population don't have to, or want to, live in those inner city areas anymore (would you want to, by choice?)

But don't let that simple fact get in the way of your febrile (racist) agenda.

In the meantime, there are plenty of slum streets in Poland for the city council to house people, as the buildings are all empty. That includes half of Bytom and other city conurbations for starters.

Sometimes you can't do right for doing wrong, everyone crying out ''too many, control control, they have to register'' Hungary do something about it and are now criticised and slagged off by all, I'm not saying the methods used were right but faced with an angry and violent mob would we not do the same.

We all know that this is not sustainable and the only way to stop it is at the original point of entry, Hadrian's wall wasn't built to keep the English in but to keep the Scottish out, ring any bells.

I think it's inevitable that it will end in tears, most probably gone past that point already.

dougpol1, I refer you to my earlier post, we agree to disagree with our opinions and all of a sudden I'm a racist.

Fortunately, LTB, nobody takes those muppets seriously. The danger is if such clowns try individual acts of violence against refugees - this has happened in Germany and fortunately the courts deal with delinquency very severely.

Amazing to see some in this thread in a forum about Poland praising 'neo-nazis', especially as the nazi party were very clear that Poles were untermensch.

And why would that be? Muh wacism?

what does 'muh wacism' mean? Is it English?
Goodness me if you are going to post such interesting stuff for our edification, please use the correct language!

jon357, agree totally, I am very concerned that some loose cannon nutter takes it upon themselves to ''deal with the problem'' I think it would then be a case of light the blue touch paper and run, very quickly.

No - I said you have a racist agenda. Not the same thing at all. If I ever called you a racist it was through the bottom of glass I fear. There are some on this forum who definitely are though - or they are just frightened of a few thousand muslims who are highly likely to be better educated than them, and with better prospects of helping the GDP in the long term of the country where they obtain asylum.

You made a distinct (and tiresome)point of the skewed statistic that the inner cities in most European cities have heavily immigrant populations - while mentioning the word "slum" in the same post.

The reason why immigrants live in inner cities and have "taken over" can be found in that word.

Pretty simple to grasp - if you don't have a racist agenda, that is.

I would be nice, and "polite" like you - but unfortunately refugees suffer, and you're "alright Jack?" Can anybody foresee their own future?

good, good, refugees continued their transit out from Serbia via Croatia and so on. At morning 5.400 refugees entered Croatia.


why wouldn`t they enter into Hungary from Croatian side? what would stop them?

Tell me BBman, are you familiar with geography? After Hungary goes Austria, more to the north. Take your map. See, Hungary isn`t desired destination of those refugees. Austria is one of desirable destinations. West of Europe, too.

Hungary just half-successfully cut the transit route of refuges that goes from Greece and Bulgaria via Macedonia and then Serbia via Hungary to the Austria and west of Europe.

i even don`t understand why Hungarian government exposed country to that high costs of building fence that actually didn`t solve the problem (who knows maybe EU pays that after all, so there comes the money). In fact problem was actually transit of refugees via Hungary. They didn`t want to settle there.

But. where is the Hungarian interests to make problems on borders, to aggravate relations with Serbia and Romania at a time when Polish president Duda announced plans for Intermarium? Did Germany activated her (traditional) influence in Hungary in order to s**** Poland`s efforts? i`m not sure, yet.

It is very very hard to found appropriate words to describe level of idiotism of Hungarian regime. Empty highway. Is it even possible that one government in Europe can do it to its own economy. Empty highway means enormous losses for economy and for what? Those refugees even don`t wish to settle in Hungary, while are welcomed in Germany. So they goes like a river, only this morning 5.400 of them entered Croatia. In Serbia every morning arrive 2.000 of them. What one country can do is to make process of their transit safe for its own citizens and for refugees. That includes giving to refugees food and water, points for sanitation, medications, points where they can rest, etc... and they peacefully transit in direction of western Europe without interrupting normal life. We in Serbia experiencing difficulties (pressure of too many people but, everything is under perfect control, well organized) only on most southernmost border where great number of them coming and on northernmost borders were they go out from country.

Spot this >




Source: Border crossings closed, Hungarian highway empty
b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=17&nav_id=95468

It might be for you (with your otherwise very good English skills)

The rest of us could think of a few. In a real united Europe, Hungary should really be sanctioned for it's anti-humanitarian acts, and it's police force and other "authorities" sanctioned.

Can we imagine the hell that would break loose if the UK Border Force started beating up migrants found in the back of lorries?

Reposting a comment from a UK newspaper article which sums it up nicely...

The EU should be giving Greece and Italy whatever help they need in order to contain and process these people, sorting out the minority of genuine refugees, sending the majority of economic migrants back to where they came from - and hopefully intercepting God knows how many ISIS terrorists intent on carnage.

Honestly, the demands of these migrants, their rights and expectations really make my blood boil - let's face it, we owe them nothing.

Particularly when you think how little the rich Arab states have done for them.

And all these European bleeding hearts who say we should be throwing open our borders and welcoming the 'refugees' with open arms - well, I suggest you spend some time in their company and see if you're still quite so keen after that.

PS. Good for Hungary - it takes courage to do what they've done.

That is 50% of the right answer.
You would have been TOTALLY correct if you would have continued with......the bottom line of this Muslim invasion (mission) is to spread Islam throughout the world.

No denying that for anybody that has a brain that works properly.

It is very annoying to keep reading that the United States should step up.
To those people; the United States takes in more migrants then any country in Europe, gives more foreign aid then all of Europe and has accepted people from more countries then any country in Euorope.

Here in Houston Texas we have 70 different dialects being spoken.
Now my turn, "since most of these Europeans have never been to the United States or ever will come to the United States they really don't know what is going on in the United States or how generous the United States is."

We are bad mouthed by the world until the world needs the United States to support them with Military, food, money or to take in war refugees.

Then like in this pity party thread the United States needs to GIVE MORE. (NO, we have given more then our share already)
The United States quota is to take in 70,000 from Syria.


Only the racists have their eyes open to what this pity party is really all about.
In this situation I am very honored to wear the badge of RACIST loud and proud !

As I am coming from a Muslim country, I must agree with some comments-yet this is (the religion ) is the most important reason which brought me here. I live in a Christian country for years and before that I was long in a Muslim one which I hated, I believe that culturally, there is no way for them to integrate with Polish society.

If you look at the example of Germany, they welcomed the Turks during late 60s and beginning of 70s for the heavy work that Germans did not want to do, even right now their children and grandchildren are having problems there. I see a lot of fanatic Muslims from Germany, France, I do not want to give the example of the UK because this is what I have heard- not what I know, ( there was some videos that a young lady was travelling to the city that she was raised and when she interviewed the Muslim population, what they were talking about is so scary). I, personally, do not want to live with Muslim people (fanatics-radicals). I am telling this from my experiences.

If you ever visited Germany, you may see some towns full of Turks, isolated from Germans. 40 years and where is the integration? (I am talking about the majority of them)

One of the reasons of this flooding refugees in Europe is Turkey. The person who has the power now is out of control and he asked for permission to create a "buffer zone" because he wants to destroy the Kurdish population in north of Syria and Iraq but it was rejected by (you can guess by whom). He is now allowing and actually "pushing" refugees to Europe after this, and I see now Merkel is trying to contact them about this refugee problem.

As for the people who are coming or " fleeing", these people should be helped- on humanitarian grounds, especially women and children. However, I think for the future, refugees should be kept in control and sent back when the war is finished (not talking just about Poland, about whole Europe). Moreover, when I see that the refugees want to go for rich countries like Germany and pushing for it (you come here because you escape from the war- and you have many requests), I feel so angry- many examples I know from the past, they go to that country, they do not have to work and the government is helping- it is unfair for the local people there.

My comments may sound like racist- believe me they are not. I have been together with them and seen how it looks like. Muslims do not tolerate other ideas-religions, that is why I believe that Muslim population should stay in Muslim countries to maintain their lives.

I have been reading your posts above people and I have been struck by absurdity of that all.
I mean, I don't know much about your background, education or a social standing but I assume that most of you people have some experience with academical way of thinking; namely to analyze, look for evidence and arguments based on facts and reality and all filtered by logic and reason.

I see a bunch of people arguing back and forth on alleged merits of lack of those people, scourger's, human garbage do not describe reality those are emotional expression of outrage and fear, on the other hand there are people who say if there are refugees or not, doesn't really matter, those are people in need and they should be helped. I guess it is also an emotional response although quite a few people here arguing for admitting everyone are just ideologically biased people, who doesn't really care about those people.

I despair on to the new lows that western thought and rationalism has fallen.

Let put the problem as it should be addressed:
- we don't know who those people are, they could be the most wonderful people in the world, they should still obey laws, if a Poles would like to cross Canadian -American border without document he would be promptly arrested and deported, why those people are allowed to ignore the laws and international conventions with impunity?

- It seems to be going over head of most people here, or is ignored but the fact remains that they do not want to go to Poland or at least do not want to stay there!

So all that debate of the EU is absolutely insane, Germany and France are going bonkers, will they send their guest to Poland in chains? under armed guard? WTF?

- They are Muslims they will not integrate, not now, not ever. The only reason they are going to Europe is a policy of some countries here which are granting them lavish lifestyles and bestow with privileges people from Europe do not enjoy.

It seems that if you are Muslim and an illegal immigrant in some parts of the word you don't have to worry to obey laws.

So called European elite is sick and rotten to the core. They need to be replaced.

In what way is a scuzzy flat on a council estate and poverty level welfare money "a lavish lifestyle?"


What privileges would that be?

A 'lavish lifestyle'? would you care to expand more on that?

Exactly. And the same will happen with the 800,000+ refugees that they will let into the country. Isolated, unwilling to integrate, without the chance to land a decent job, forever dependent on handouts from the government. In other words: a ticking time bomb.


Not quite right. The first Turks were actually invited to Germany in 1961 after massive political pressure from the US. Turkey had major economic problems at that time, and the Americans wanted to stabilize the new NATO member for strategic reasons. Initially, German politicians were opposed to bringing in Turkish and Kurdish guest workers because they were "culturally too different". As it turned out, they were right, as many of the descendants of this first wave of immigrants are still not integrated into German society. Not that they want to, anyway.

I agree. Why should we give them more than our own, injured, servicemen who protected their country and are now sleeping out on the streets and having to be helped out by charities, because they do not qualify for help by their own government. We must get our priorities right and help the poor, refugees instead.

If you think that you sow enough examples of idiotism and lunacy of mister Orban, Hungarian PM, you have made great mistake.

Listen this >

Orban now decided that its not enough that he closed Serbian-Hungarian border (ie sealed one of definitely most important European highways E-75) but, Orban decided to do it for 30 days (!!!!!!!! imagine that !!!!!!!!). Man is complete moron. He would destroy not only Hungarian economy but even harm economies of all Europeans countries.

Also, Orban as additional measure already announced that would Hungary built fence wall on Romanian and Croatian borders as already was done on Serbian-Hungarian border.

All that because refugees wanted to go to Austria and western Europe via Hungary, without wish to settle in Hungary.

How is this possible to happen in one European country?

Typical, once again my point goes over your head and you focus on trivia.



thelocal.dk/20150723/smugglers-help-refugees-compare-european-benefits.

In fact it floats over everyone's head, since it's just hot air.


Evidently we have different opinions of what is lavish.

So:


What privileges?


Homeless qualify for help, regardless of who they are. As it should be.

Serbia saved the day

All refugees that went via Serbia (at least 60% of all refugees that entered to Europe, coming via Greece, Bulgaria and Macedonia) were fingerprinted by Serbian authorities, because that is the international migrant law and also due to security risks (terrorist threats).

Serbia is first European country that reacted reasonable on situation. In this situation, fingerprints means everything. When you have fingerprints you can work.

Vucic "expects EU response, comprehensive solution"

Source: Tanjug Thursday, September 17, 2015 | 17:22
b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=17&nav_id=95473

Eritreans? Darfur refugees? Legitimate asylum seekers if so when they make it to the EU...... like it, or not, personal feelings about who is more deserving is irrelevant in International Law.

Said @@@@. No response no argument you are full of hot air and BS as usual!


If somebody who is not citizen a said country, did not work for it but have it handed on a silver plater it is a lavish lifestyle, that much is obvious for anyone with an once of a brain.


Crossing border without papers, being accepted in a country and granted asylum without prove of identity, to be a layout and have food, accommodation, health care and education for free.

Serbia have behaved impeccably Crow and are to be commended. Let's take funding from Hungary, and pass it on to Serbia and the Croats.

Meanwhile, your ex-nationalist premier cannot remove his past, and needs to work, and work, and work, before the EU will believe his word is true. Even if he is ever rehabilitated, and I would say the chances are slim - but who knows? The EU tolerate Orban, when he has actually disqualified himself from EU membership by his fascist policies.

Could we imagine Poland being part of the EU with the murdering sunglass-wearing general as president? Older generations have long memories, and rightly so.

@Doug: I am not saying they should not be taken in because they come from ... Africa but what I am saying if that EU claims only people from Syria and Irak and the reality is different. It's only the beginning unfortunately but honestly, Doug, do you believe any European country can accommodate millions of new people? By the end of 2015 there shall be millions of them... I am very scarred that we'll have the war before the year is over.

Sarkozy would like to issue refugees a special status to enable them to stay in Europe only while war going on and then to return home ;). How the hell is it going to be done? ;)

Nothing is organized, it's a huge bord...llo.... Let's be realistic!

@Grzegorz: No, I'm not stupid ;), I'm well aware that we cannot accept everybody.

hey that is not the way to speak about your comrade.