IF EU let refugees to Europe

The next thing we should concern ourselves with is what the backlash is when, given time, the ''European dream'' doesn't come true, some will be successful but I suspect very few.

Well Marsupial if we are going to use digs ad personae (which I tend to avoid) instead of arguments, what scam you are onto that without EU you would be left high and dry?

Quite telling Muslims are offering very little help for each other don't you think?

and you know that how?

Why would they get on a boat and risk their lives?

How is that a dig, you said the eu is clearly not working I am telling you its clearly working for me and millions of others. So your opinion is just an opinion. Based on experience?

look at this guys:
youtube.com/watch?v=M2kNEcLGiTs
youtube.com/watch?v=hlqmUEkEGj8
pay attention on their clothes...all brand new and clean.
animals...some cnuts were saying that poland should accept them cus some poles were accepted after 2 world war into britain.i wonder if poles in the uk in 1945 behaved like this.

To sum it up, after reading headlined in case with refugees in newspaper during my pause at one cafe bar:

* population of European deer would be decimated considering that their main seasonal route goes via Hungarian-Serbian border. They would massively kill themselves in attempt to hold to their traditional seasonal roads and cross over the barbed wire fence wall built by Hungary.

* during last 24 hour about 11.500 refugees entered Croatia and so Croatia closing all her border with Serbia, except one border crossing. For that, Serbia will sue Croatia in international court and prognosis are that would Serbia win the process and claim compensation for economic losses from Croatia

* Serbia started to move massive forces of riot police in direction of border with Hungary
* EU is very stupid

Here is a video from YouTube, watch it, it is very short but watch the guy with the ruck sack, terrible. It's not a gore video its just what the guy gestures.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=A74bMcJdH0s

People that think that Europe cannot leave a single migrant behind put a _lot_ of effort in not noticing how migrants behave. Paying attention and noticing might get in the way of the sloganeering.

I'd actually rather see those people arrested, finger printed and slapped with a 10 year Schengen ban.

Peaceful protest is a right, but chucking rocks and behaving like spoilt children is not.

EU is not serious or all this what`s going on was even aim of the EU. For what reason, i can`t say.

One can`t understand how is possible that refugees that entered Greece and Bulgaria were not fingerprinted. There, if they were fingerprinted, after that, EU needed to help Greece and Bulgaria to organize camps for refugees, by providing money, food, medications, sanitation,... Just then, when those refugees are calmed, EU had to talk about quotes for their distribution. If reaction was prompt it was even possible to separate real refugees from false one and to deal with it properly. You now even have Albanians (Shiftars) mixed with Arabs who joined them via Macedonia and tries to smuggle themselves to western Europe.

EU absolutely failed and when i say EU i point on western European powers that (altogether with USA via NATO) refuse to deal with consequences of their aggressive policy on Near East and in entire world after all. But they are there to profit on it,

It seams that now ALL Europeans (not just EU members) need to pay for good standard of living on the west of Europe. Western Europe started crisis, would take from it what wanted to take and problems belongs to others.

You got it right Crow.

I would like to see how you would react after first of all spending about a year in a camp in Turkey/ Lebanon etc and later after few months length journey. Everybody has known what is happening in Syria, but nobody reacts, these people don't trust anybody, they are afraid of everybody too.

Well, you're capable of rational though about this, which not everybody is (lots of excesses on both sides).

What ticks me off is the blurring of the categories 'refugees' and 'migrants'. Calling them refugees implies that they'll be resettled in Syria when the conflict is over and that is clearly never going to happen.

Also some of your favourite people -- amid all the mayhem Kosovars too are trying to piggyback their way into the UE!

Listen, when you already wants to pull my tongue.... i sow Syrians in town of Kanjiza (close to border with Hungary). Hand on heart, Shiftars are more Arab looking then Syrians.

As for Kosovo Shiftars, yes i know that. As i said, Shiftars mixing with refugees in Macedonia (they ignore Macedonian border and whenever wants illegally enters Macedonia from Albania (Shiftaria) and from Serbia (province of Kosovo). Actually, that what Shiftars doing to Macedonia is abominable. They destroying that little Slavic country.

Do you genuinely believe that all of them came from camps after escaping from Syria? I'm a social democrat, but all the sensible news reports are clear that there are plenty of others, not just Syrians here. I couldn't tell the difference between an Albanian/Kosovar and an Arab - could you?


The excesses on both sides is just ridiculous. It makes me angry that I've wasted hours on the Schengen border, I've been shouted at and told to get lost by a fat border guard at the locals-only border crossing mentioned here (in Bregana, Croatia) twitter.com/inglesi - yet they were able to cross freely today.

Come on Delph. I'm sure that with a little extra training and a good beating from their peers, the Hungarian police will learn to act as humans in the future............

Oh wait - you are talking about refugees and migrants who decided to visit Croatia (all the way from The Middle East) on a jolly? And lost their rag with other muslims?

Of course that no, but it basically doesn't matter, we have no evidences they are not real refugees so all state organs, including police, army, parliament should treat them as such. There is also another kind of moral issue with this strict deviding that people on refugees and immigrants, dignity is the basic human rights, deep poverty may violate that right so I'm not sure where we are allowed to put the line.

Exactly......they don't fit in with our society. Germany is better at rehabilitation. Let them deal with such damaged goods. We pay AID instead

good good news. Hungarians and Serbians shows resistance to western European meddling and attempt to aggravate their relations.

Hungarian FM visited Belgrade (Serbia) and apologized for problems on border, hugging and kissing with Serbian FM and defense minister, adding that Hungary and Serbia right now have best possible relations in their history and that would we overcome problems in case with refugees. Hungarian FM Peter Szijjarto then, from Serbian soil, said how Hungary understand Serbian position, which is victim of EU`s incompetence and lack of coordination between Hungary with Greece and Bulgaria. Szijjarto then also sharply criticized Croatia and western Europe.

Poland would like this development of situation between Hungary and Serbia.

You mean like the Classic "No Go" zones in Western Europe? Sissified Western law enforcement too scared to patrol their own nation. NO THANKS!

Not a province but an independent, predominantly Albanian-populated country. Just as Romania and Moldavia should renounce Ribbentop-Moltov once and for all and rejoin, so too Kosovo and Albania should be one country.

i personally apologize to Hungary and to Hungarian government for my critics and sharp words on the account of that great people. i was under emotions because of events on border. i now see and understand how all that was one isolated tragic incident. Same as my country, Hungary is also under pressure and betrayed by western Europe.


One day, awaken, aware of your delusions and mistakes, you shall apologize to me.

and i would accept it. i forgive you in advance.

I still don't understand where the Serbian police were when that happened :/


I'm rather talking about the fools that thought that throwing rocks at the Hungarians made more sense than simply going a few kilometres up the road to the unguarded SRB-RO border and then a bit more to the also unguarded RO-H border. For how much effort they've put in by getting there, it staggers me that they chose to make matters worse than to simply crack on with it.


There are no such things. Stop believing everything you read on the internet.


I believe that we should process them with dignity, that we should make a decision quickly (not leaving them for months) and that we should do everything in our power to process them as quickly as possible. It shouldn't be difficult to establish someone's origins (if they refuse to cooperate, then deportation should be automatic), too.

First hand accounts: Serbian police were incredibly kind. They helped with all they got.

Actually the Bible tells us to tithe 10% of our income.
It does not say that you must give your tithe to the church, you can give it to and where you want to as long as you tithe.

I think the refugee's from Syria would be a good choice right now. Not to the invaders but to the Syrian refugee's.
It doesn't look like things are getting any better in Syria, only worse.

Russia has sent fighter jets to Syria, U.S. officials said, raising the stakes in a military buildup that has put Washington on edge.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter, eyeing the possibility of rival U.S. and Russian air operations in Syria's limited airspace, agreed in a call with his Russian counterpart to explore ways to avoid accidental military interactions. The former Cold War foes have a common adversary in Islamic State militants in Syria, even as Washington opposes Moscow's support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, seeing him as a driver in the nation's devastating, four-and-a-half-year civil war. It was unclear, however, what those commitments to Syria are or how Russia's military buildup was relevant to them.

I have been waiting for someone like you to mention this. Boxing day, 2004. Tsunami hits, appeal for funds. Tony Blair offers 1 million in aid. George Bush offers 15,000 Dollars. Total embarrassment. The world stops to ponder what is going on? In 24 hours the British public raised 300 million pounds in aid to help. Bush is embarrassed and offers 15 million dollars in aid. Blair states that he will match, pound for pound what the British public raises. The British public finally raises over 400 million pounds. Now, ask yourself, where does Blair get this pound for pound, the only money the government has is from the taxpayer, so, YOU, pay twice.

10 years on, you and I are left to donate for anther problem, they are still living in tents, the money has been ripped off to pay huge salaries for the bosses of the aid agencies and we have contributed to numerous disasters since.

I am sick of donating money that never gets there. Look at the Guardian newspaper, every Sunday. Advertisements for directors of charities with salaries of 100,000+ pounds a year. Its a joke.The British public are the most generous people on this earth and everyone is now taking the p**s out of them.

The EU is treating us the same way. If we fail, we pay, if we succeed, we pay.
This is the reason I Ieft. There is nothing wrong with helping genuine cases. I am sick of the "I am entitled" attitude of the so called migrants today,

Well said ! And very true. 1 billion pounds has been given to Syria so far in aid and yet British people visit food banks because they have no food to eat.

The hunger of a British child comes first when you are dishing out British tax payers money.