IF EU let refugees to Europe

"The picture of that small Syrian boy dead on the Turkish beach does not seem to move a lot of people in Poland."

Fools like you are responsible for his death. If there was a well protected border and no chance to get illegally to the EU, he would be alive today.

G look at the map of Greece and explain how a coastline like that could be 'well protected', please.
Besides this is not an 'illegal immigrant' problem (ie 'keep them out') but a humanitarian crisis the like of which has not been seen in Europe for 70 years.

Does he look sub-saharan to you?

Cheap trick. I can post 1 thousand pictures of the whole crowds of "refugees" where majority of people are black, sure not Syrians.





Hungary:
foxnews.com/world/2015/04/22/from-hungary-with-love-third-world-migrants-must-travel-long-brutal-road-to/

Friggin Ivorian.

but have you seen Greece's border? It has always been 'porous'. Have you considered the practicalities of policing it? Greece is not a 'normal' country it is Greece..:)

It does not move me. Bodrum is a holiday resort in Turkey, a safe country. Nobody was trying to harm the family there. I think it was totally irresponsible for the parents to put their children into a packed, flimsy, inflatable craft to attempt a sea crossing. The lure of Europe and free benefits was surely a reason for taking a risk with the childrens lives. In any civilised country, the parents would be facing criminal charges for manslaughter.

One child lying dead on a beach is always upsetting, but, 100,s of thousands of children die in Africa each year through lack of resources, drought, famine, lack of medical supplies etc. Are you suggesting we take the whole of Africa into the homes in Europe?

More and more people are fighting for less and less resources, many Westerners will only have as many children as they can afford, hence the low birthrates in many countries, whereas, in Africa and the ME, they rely on foreign aid to pay for it.

And without life jackets! (There was a story on how every store in Bodrum is now selling life jackets).

The real culprits are the antiquated technocratic fossils in charge of the EU who have been slow and ineffective and entirely reactive on this issue which encouraged the little boys' family to try their luck in Europe rather than on remaining safe.

Avalon, they are war refugees not benefits tourists.

Then why are so many so determined to go to Germany rather than stay in any of the many countries they're passing through to get there?

didnt merkel offer asylum to 800,000? or was that empty rhetoric? They probably heard it on the news.

Then why did they not remain in Turkey.


Because they know it will never happen.

yeh youre right it's political bollocks - 'one refugee' gosh the generosity astounds me - would that be in their constituency houses or in their London flatssubsidised by the taxpayer? or in another of their properties?

No, she didn't. That number is a projection for the end of 2015, as far as I know, and Germany only decided not to enforce the Dublin Regulation for the time being.

Mind-blowing how gullible us Europeans are currently compared to Asians. There is no-way such an immigration circus would be allowed there

Go and live there?

700 million people live in Europe. How are 300,000 refugees going to alter that? Do the maths, if you can, and then come back to us with something sensible.

And stop hiding behind a name. As before - NO REGISTER - no voice.

There is actually a more detailed article about the Syrian boy's relatives in Ottawa Citizen, a Canadian paper.

Google "family of children found on turkish beach were trying to come to canada and Ottawa Citizen" to find the original article.

The aunt of the boys was trying to sponsor them to immigrate to Canada, but her application was rejected.
Couple sections of the article are quite telling:

"The family had two strikes against them - like thousands of other Syrian Kurdish refugees in Turkey, the UN would not register them as refugees, and the Turkish government would not grant them exit visas."

"Canada and Turkey have long been at loggerheads over the bottleneck blocking Syrian refugees in Turkey from finding their way to Canada. It is not uncommon for Kurds in Syria to be arbitrarily denied passports, and to have great difficulty registering as refugees with the UNHCR.

The Turkish government refuses to issue exit visas to unregistered refugees not holding valid passports."

This leads me to the question... I know Turkey is hosting many Syrian refugees so in that sense we cannot criticize them. However, at the same time I wonder if Turkey and even UNHCR is also contributing to the illegal surge of migrants to Europe.

I think typically war refugees should be staying in refugee centres in safe countries (i.e. Turkey), and apply from there to countries to immigrate. This way there is some control and they don't put themselves at risk. I know their applications should be processed in realistic amount of time too. The current surge to force themselves to EU (joined by migrants from other non-conflict countries who are basically piggybacking on the Syrian conflict) is no way to address the problem in the longer term (so in that sense I do see why Hungary is doing what they are doing).

Also consider... there are likely many children like Aylan Kurdi who have died in terrible circumstances not just from Syria, but around the world. These are the pictures we do not see.

In Germany, there are also people applying for asylum from Kosovo, Albania, etc... however, most will be denied their applications.

Interesting article:

Mass Migration: What Is Driving the Balkan Exodus?

"More than a third of all asylum-seekers arriving in Germany come from Albania, Kosovo and Serbia. Young, poor and disillusioned with their home countries, they are searching for a better future. But almost none of them will be allowed to stay.

spiegel.de/international/europe/western-balkan-exodus-puts-pressure-on-germany-and-eu-a-1049274.html

Are there any people here who read Arabic news in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE or Qatar? I'm wondering how this news of the refugees to Europe is reported there? Is there any evidence people in those countries want to help or do they simply see this as a European problem? There is a conflict in Yemen as well. How is Saudi Arabia dealing with refugees from Yemen?

But it's not immigration. It's a question of housing refugees - until concrete allocations can be made. A lot of these people are desperate, and the vast majority of Syrians, Afghans and others from Darfur have a very strong case for asylum. International law says they cannot be sent back to a war zone.

They are not classed by law as immigrants, however much Cameron and the Daily Mail would wish it so.

So why didn't they stay in Turkey ? The Turkes wanted to kill them ? Tree hugging EUnuchs killed that kid. If people like me where in charge, this kid would be alive today. They would simply never get into that boat knowing that it's pointless.

Very selective memory, you were the one who mentioned blacks.

Even your Guardian cannot hide the 1400 Rotherham girls who were "groomed" by Pakistani gangs, some of whom are imprisoned and many more being investigated along with the Labour Councillors and the Police who knew what was happening for 10 years and turned a blind eye.

They have an absolutely clear case; they are fleeing a war.

If anything destroy EU that would be English arrogance and supreme stupidity.

International law also states that they must seek asylum in the first safe country they reach. In the case of Turkey, camps should be set up on the border and money from the EU could be used to keep them there until such time as they can return to their homes. Cathy Ashton, the High Commissioner for EU foreign affairs gave 5 billion Euros to the former Egyptian president Morsi who was toppled one year later. How much of that money went to the Muslim brotherhood and financed ISIS? The EU causes more problems than it solves.

What's interesting is how Hungary is attempting to register them as being in need of asylum, and they are actually trying to oppose it.

There's something quite messed up about the system if people are actually fighting not to be given asylum.

Crow, Syrians are definitely war refugees that deserve all the support we can give, despite the hundred thousands of Serbian citizens that try to make their way into Germany! The Syrians do not have another choice at the moment, unlike you countrymen that try to find a cozy place on Germany's social hammock!

"Because you took everything that was good about the EU and gladly. And capitalism is about give and take - or at extremes - boom and bust.

So now is YOUR time to give. it is clearly not rocket science."

Syria is in the EU? EU is Capitalistic? Where is the logic.

Serbians are rare European people that don`t need to feel shame because of their behavior on suffering Syrian refuges that are in transit thru Serbia. We aren`t responsible for Syrian misery, we can accept limited number of Syrian refuges in our country but, we can do a lot of to minimize their suffering as long as are they in transit thru Serbia.

As it was said in first Serbian constitution: ``Even a slave, if come to the lands of Serbians, is slave no more.``


still, Serbia is ready to defend at least minimum of its interests. Spot this > Serbian FM tells EU "to mind its own business", source: Tanjug Thursday, September 3, 2015 | 09:13; b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=03&nav_id=95310

This already happened. There are already more than two million Syrians in Turkey.

Crow, actually, I read somewhere that Serbia was quite happy to offer asylum to anyone that applied.

I can do the maths for him.

300,000 people. Each family will have 4+ kids and in most Muslim families are culturally wired for the woman not to work which means the husband being the only bread winner whilst the State gives out welfare benefits to the family.

This is not make believe. This is happening right now in many countries.