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IF EU let refugees to Europe
InPolska
24 Sep 2015 #662
@Polsyr: absolutely! "Populist" does not mean "neo-nazi ;). These populist parties in Western Europe do not have any nazi ideology (forbidden). They just attract those dissatisfied through simplistic answers to serious problems ("yaka" and "fokon" as FN's sole "answers"). I see what happens with FN (but it's the same for all similar parties elsewhere), a lot of immigrants' sons and daughters (or even immigrants themselves once naturalized) voting for them.
In Poland there are quite a few populist parties too and same situation: simplistic answers to serious problems ;).
Of course, nothing to do with nazism or even neo-nazism.
Lyzko
24 Sep 2015 #663
"Populism" means of the "populi" = people. It is often used to signify a grassroots type of insularity, typically glorifying the local or national at the expense of the INTERnational:-) In the US at least, "populism" for a while during the end of the 19th century was closely associated with "nativism"!
TheOther
24 Sep 2015 #664
to call them "neo-nazis" shows that you don't know anything about them
I'd suggest you read up on the history of Le Pen and the Front National a bit. What they seem to be and what they really are is debatable.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Far-right_politics
Quotes:
"In 1972, Le Pen founded the Front National (FN) party, along with former OAS member Jacques Bompard, former Collaborationist Roland Gaucher and others nostalgics of Vichy France, neo-Nazi pagans, Traditionalist Catholics, and others."
"Over the years, Le Pen gained widespread popularity among neo-Nazis and white nationalists throughout Europe, North America and South America."
Definitely not because he was just a "populist"...
InPolska
24 Sep 2015 #665
@The other: I happen to know how it started (I'm French), but believe me, the FN is NOT a neo-nazi party. They are just populists exploiting people's misery. If you dare reading their program and listen to current leaders, there is nothing neo-nazi about it (the party would be made illegal).
I don't need to rely on Wikipedia ;). I am French and I do know about French political scene (better than you).
I am (100%) anti FN (in French referred to as "Fhaine" (haine = hatred) so saying that they are neo-nazi is completely stupid.
TheOther
24 Sep 2015 #666
I don't need to rely on Wikipedia ;). I am French and I do know about French political scene (better than you).
Ha ha ha ... it's not about "I know something better than you", InPolska. I'm really not interested in such a p*issing contest. No, the simple reason why I labeled the Front National as neo-Nazi is because some people on here are very quick to blame any political movement in Germany that is outside the mainstream as "neo-Nazi", while similar, much larger groups in other European countries such as the Front National are belittled as "just populist" or "only far-right, but not yet Nazi". There's a great danger to this IMO. Political extremists don't have to be "officially Nazi" to hold similar views, and they will still hate and kill those they don't like - given the opportunity.
Makes sense? ;)
@InPolska
Something outside of Wikipedia...
bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-27625501
express.co.uk/news/world/579010/Ukip-MEP-stand-off-French-neo-Nazi-founder-Jean-Marie-Le-Pen]http:
huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/europe-far-right_n_6511022.html
Crow
24 Sep 2015 #667
Novak Djokovic visited Syrian refugees in refugee center in Serbia

Source: kurir.rs/sport/tenis/dokovic-srecan-sto-je-srbin-svakim-danom-sve-vise-sam-ponosan-na-svoj-narod-clanak-1948381
Polsyr
24 Sep 2015 #668
center in Serbia
Many stories about the kind treatment of refugees are coming from Serbia these days Crow. The people doing these kind things to help fellow humans in needs are leaving a proud heritage for their children and planting the seeds of long term friendship with those they are helping. Bravo to every one of them.
InPolska
24 Sep 2015 #669
@The other: Do you know what nazism was? I seriously doubt it otherwise you would know that FN is not and has never been a neo-nazi party (otherwise it would be illegal to begin with not only in France but also in EU parliament). For sure, among its founders, they were some FORMER fascists (dead by now, and JMLP was born in 1928 so not active during war).
I dare you to find anything in their program that could be seen as "nazism"! Also check on their leaders (no.2 and 3 are openly gay, others are Jewish). A lot of members are blacks, muslims, .... Do you think gays, jews, muslims, blacks would vote for ... nazis? "lol"
I understand that you have NO personal experience with both FN and more generally French political scene but I do. And although I am 100% anti FN and always will be, I maintain they are not nazis because they are not. They are just cheap populists exploiting stupid people.
Korwin-Mikke is for instance further right that MLP.
Obviously you have NO knowledge of subject so please stick to what you know. ;);)
TheOther
24 Sep 2015 #670
FN is not and has never been a neo-nazi party
Obviously you have NO knowledge of subject
Have you read any of the links I posted? Of course not, because InPolska is French, so InPolska knows best and everybody else knows sh*it. Yeah, I get it... LOL!
Dougpol1
24 Sep 2015 #671
Novak Djokovic visited Syrian refugees in refugee center in Serbia
So? Would he visit refugees in say, Germany? What does this prove?
Grzegorz_
24 Sep 2015 #672
Korwin-Mikke is for instance further right that MLP.
Sure he is. He's not a national socialist.
Crow
24 Sep 2015 #673
Novak Djokovic is humanist, here and everywhere. No need to elaborate that.
Many stories about the kind treatment of refugees are coming from Serbia these days Crow.
Not only these days. When threatened, Serbians defending themselves. They were invaded by mujaheedines of Islamic league 20 years ago and they gave them hell. But, when not threatened, Serbians do have significant level of tolerance. Its just that image of Serbs was negatively portrait by western European and USA mass media, due to certain interests.
The people doing these kind things to help fellow humans in needs are leaving a proud heritage for their children and planting the seeds of long term friendship with those they are helping. Bravo to every one of them.
good thing is that is Serbia a transit country for refugees. They come and go. Very few decide to stay. Considering that number of those who stays don`t threaten them, Serbians can calmly express their altruism. Let us hope that this situation won`t last too long and turn refugees, those innocent (most of them) people, in a threat.
mafketis
25 Sep 2015 #674
More numbers for everybody to ignore: Only about one in five migrants are actually from..... the country they say they're fleeing from.
metro.co.uk/2015/09/19/eu-statisticians-claim-only-1-in-5-migrants-are-from-syria-5398412/
Polsyr
25 Sep 2015 #675
the country they say they're fleeing from.
You are adding an arbitrary assumption; that all of them claim they are from Syria. The article doesn't say that. You added that all on your own.
Show me the statistic on how many of them claim they are from Syria.
Here is the main source for the same statistic you linked:
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/
It doesn't say anywhere how many actually claim that they are Syrian.
Worthy of notice though, is that 13% are from Albania and "that other place" that I can't name (for risk upsetting Crow).
nothanks
25 Sep 2015 #676
History repeating?
Castro emptied his Prisons and unleashed them on USA
"Of the 125,000 refugees, 25,000 had criminal records"
youtube.com/watch?v=9CQkS1BcnmU
Tamarisk
25 Sep 2015 #677
news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html
AlfGarnet
25 Sep 2015 #678
The refugees " economic migrants " aren't so happy with their lot !
liveleak.com/view?i=c53_1443173827
mafketis
25 Sep 2015 #679
aren't so happy with their lot !
Listen Dutch people with your slow internet, their royal highnesses are not pleased and expect you to try harder, more money for smoking!
gregy741
25 Sep 2015 #680
never been in warzone,but i know that slow internet can be pure horror experience. no wonder they not happy.
AlfGarnet
25 Sep 2015 #681
Yes, I want money, money for smoking and to send to my mother in Syria so she can come. Allah Akbar.
gregy741
25 Sep 2015 #682
maybe deliver sum young girls in package,while someone jump to shop for ciggies?no young girls- that looks like serious human right breech
Polonius3
25 Sep 2015 #683
Allah Akbar
Please explain one thing -- if Jesus is an important prophet to Muslims, then why do they destroy his cross whenever they see it and even refuse to accept Red Cross aid? Is it because of the crusaders? Today's Middle Eastern Christians surely cannot be blamed for the crusades!
gregy741
25 Sep 2015 #684
i will:
"Me against my Brother. Me and my Brother against my neighbor. My village against your village. My town against your town. My country against your country"
Crow
25 Sep 2015 #685
This refugee crisis presented Russia in new light. Many who yesterday criticized Russia today hope that would Russia f*** ISIS what would result in world peace. Much better to have cold war then to lose civilization, people would say. On the other side, Russia is Russia, not perfect but also not capable to create ultimate evil ideology, as some others did. After all, this new Russia is just old-new Russia. Wasn`t that Russia who stooped Napoleon, Hitler and Obama?
nothanks
25 Sep 2015 #686
Difficult choice
A) Non-educated child bearing women [No crime but also least likely to assimilate]
or
B) Driven almost reckless young males [The workers but also increase crime/hostility]
^ "Muslim culture" has it's imprints
Crow
26 Sep 2015 #687
Obama is one of the reason that black refugees moved in realm of whites. They think to themselves, if Obama can, we all can. So they penetrate. There are even Christian blacks. They penetrate more easily.
Jesus in now quite happy.
Are we all hypocrites? what crossed my mind, i actually don`t know why we even complaint because of refugees. Nations should rejoice. We Europeans accepted Christianity. And Christ. Didn`t we? Alright, only we stubborn Serbians (we always had to be contra from majority) preserved pre-Christian universal Slavic custom SLAVA rituals within our version of Christianity but, still we consider ourselves to be Christians.
Then, initially, Romans were Blacks. They ruled Europe. They ruled Europe that much that after many f*****g of native European they themselves turned to be Whites (somewhat). So, what is our problem? Black rulers coming back. That`s all
Are we all crazy? or we just betrayed Svetovid?
Crow
26 Sep 2015 #689
No, not really. They tried to have it physically and spiritually. But, as Ratko Mladic said: ``Only the dead have seen the end of the battle.``
youtube.com/watch?v=C232a7TTiJk
It is warmly recommended to remind ourselves
Spot Europe just 20 years ago. The very heart of Europe. Ancestral land of one Polish Jadwiga. Islamic league invaded with 10.000 worse Arab mujaheedines and joined efforts with Croatian ustashe against Serbians who stood to defend what was left from Yugoslavia and Slavic South. NATO pact gave transportation, logistic and air coverage for the anti-Serbian coalition. Finally, NATO joined in and openly attacked Serbians.
Then comes the Ratko Mladic
youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=3pngcjizEYc
youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=WRiNqBSG4v0
AlfGarnet
26 Sep 2015 #690
The Muslim God was made by our God, from clay apparently, this I was told by a Muslim once. I think they destroy the cross because it is a false prophet, I would imagine that's why, am no expert. As for refusing food, probably because is wasn't from a trusted source, might be pork sausage in there or non halal meat.
From what I understand, ISIS believe that the Qu'ran was interpreted wrong and that they, ISIS, have now interpreted it correctly. They are destroying all the old Islamic architecture because it worships a false prophet and should be destroyed and wiped out, so they can replace it with the correct one, theirs.
Some believe that ISIS are the Dajjal, the Islamic anti - Christ and a coming of the end of days.
They see any unbeliever, especially women, as there for the taking, there for them to use as they see fit, even if they are 7yr old girls.
Islam and the Qu'ran with ISIS are no better than the Christianity and the Christian crusades of burning babies on open fires, but we have moved on in intelligence bu since then but Muslims and Islam haven't, they need wiping out for the good of man kind.