IF EU let refugees to Europe

it began long ago in the heads of western European magnates

"I see people who have for decades said they are unpolitical," says Wolfgang Lützner, the 55-year-old mayor. "Now they are voicing opinions for the first time. They want to know how this has happened and how it will end. This is new."

Wait until winter when people can't sleep in tents anymore. There is no way that Germany will be able to provide warm shelters for so many people in such a short time. The end result will be some sort of civil unrest, I'm afraid. Not only in Germany, but elsewhere in Europe, too.

I'm waiting for it too. The mornings are already becoming brutally cold, and I can see a situation emerging where migrants start causing severe carnage when they realise that Germany isn't the land of milk and honey that was promised.

Interesting how nobody is calling them racist immigrants/refugees, if their religion and ethnic background matterst to them so they have to seperate them it means they are racist just like I would be called white racist who needs to be punished for saying that I don't like the religion of islam. Sick world we live in.

Why should they sleep in tents ? Can't those millions of "I'm willing to host a refugee under my own roof" just take them home ?


euobserver.com/beyond-brussels/129893

So what's the problem ? I don't get it.

The problem is that it has dawned on the majority of the German population that taking in hundreds of thousands of people wasn't a good idea after all.

europe.newsweek.com/mood-sours-germany-majority-say-they-now-fear-refugee-numbers-334017
(just ignore the pop-up)

politico.eu/article/germany-changes-its-tune-on-refugees-merkel-demaiziere-gabriel

The problem is that saying that to someone conducting a poll is one thing, but it's an entirely different thing giving up a space in your home for some Albanian who is waiting for his asylum claim to be processed.


I still cannot understand how this happened, to be honest.

Me neither. I believe that Merkel had a simple blackout and didn't think the whole thing through. She might have had other ideas, though:

byline.com/column/37/article/429

Doubtful Merkel foresaw her Western Allies abandoning her. She probably also expected the Easterners to crumble over pressure.

NO-WAY she saw this coming
"From the sheer number of politicians now distancing themselves from the chancellor, one can conclude that they see at hand the fall of Merkel rather than a new rise."

Merkel's continued political missteps will cost her the next election sure! Voters are getting tired of it, and are likely to vote Pegida next time 'round. An odd parallel with the US. Americans are tiring of politically correct liberals like Hillary and Bernie; instead, they're looking more to a DonaldTrump!

Rather scary, either scenario.

Unbelievable. Terrible reporting.


Oh how cute. Gotta love multiculturalism, right? ;)

I expect this to get worse not better now that russia is involved and refugees to increase not decrease.

@Marsupial: No doubt about it.

Remember the poor economic migrant who got tripped up while carrying his child by that nasty camera woman who got sacked !?

youtube.com/watch?v=8PvwqKl9ghs

The people in German are horryfied - says RZECZPOSPOLITA. It is estimated that not 800,000 or one million immigrants will arrive in Germany this year, but as many as 1.5 million. Bundespraesident Joachim Gauck says that this inflow will cost more than the reunification of Germany which brought over about 2 million people from east to west. Horst Seehofer, prime minister of Bavaria who wants to close the German border gains 11 percentage points more in popularity (to 39%) while Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel slides down 9 percentage points to 54 per cent. The general feeling in Germany is that Merkel has no courage to retreat from her policy of welcoming new immigrants to Germany - concludes Rzeczpospolita.

there are thousands pictures online with journalists who identified in the crowd of "migrants" men actually the exact same men
who are ISIS terrorists...

best way to destroy Europe for arabian terrorists is from inside, and this is what they are doing right now

So now the number is 1.6 million not 800,00 as first stated, does that mean that everybody gets twice as many as first announced? Just watched Steven Sakur on hard talk (BBC) interview with the EU commissioner on immigration (Greek guy, name too long) he confirmed that Turkey have already been given an additional 1 Billion Euros to improve conditions in the refugee camps but also to fight the people smugglers. On the subject of the people smugglers, lets say these rubber boats are 10mtrs long, 3mtrs wide holding 50 people, they generally leave during daylight, how are they not seen by the police, ahh, I know, amazing what you can miss with a backhander.

Avalon, I think you've got it just about right, Erdogan will be asking for everything, easier visa control, working in the EU, lets not forget that Turkey also have an application in to join the EU club, big mistake. Turkey currently have about 4 million refugees, if they join the EU club could they not give them all Turkish passports and then they are Europeans ? Europe's that way, welcome to the EU.

I notice it's gone very quiet with boats going from Libya to Italy.

Only a matter of time before it kicks off, send them to Poland, they won't be here long.

800,000 or 8,000,000. The numbers of mostly male migrants are waiting for refugee status to be granted to them and then expect wives and children to be brought over. It's kind of pointless talking about numbers as no one knows how many there will be.

The more I think about this the more shocked I am at what Merkel has done. Welcoming all Syrians to Germany but then not vetting non-Syrians coming to Germany is unthinkable. Will Germany be ejecting the Afghans, Pakistanis etc ?

Take one, get one free.

Spiritus, your right, numbers irrelevant. I just think Merkel had some sort of head rush or she was ****** and came up with some stupid idea, which ever it was I think she is dead in a ditch.

Avalon, I like it, can't stop laughing, your comedic skills are wasted.

Maybe Merkel should join PF to see the views of ''normal'' people.

Well the latest is that almost all of them want to bring family members (between 4 and 8 each) so we're probably talking 5 million or so this year alone before the dust settles...

And I don't think this was accidental. It was a putsch. European native peoples have been cooling about the whole multicultural and immigration from the third world idea for a few years now so the powers that be decided to take it out of their hands once and for all and to establish permanent mass immigration without asking for the voters' approval.

Germany has a poor track record of holding rejected applicants responsible and forcing them out. Scenes of trains forcing people out would not go smoothly in the media. The focus will be set on "those racist Easterners" before they start busing them out.


Completely agree. Right Wing Political change must occur within the next 5 years before those migrants are able to vote.

"Merkel believes the only way to reduce the number of refugees in Germany is through international efforts to address the problem. As such, the Chancellery is currently pursuing a deal with Turkey to close its European borders to refugees. But it's clear that Ankara will also want something in return.

Sources within the conservatives say the government in Ankara is demanding visa-free travel for its citizens, which the center-right has strictly rejected in the past. Given the current situation, though, it appears that many CDU and CSU politicians now consider this to be a small price to pay."

spiegel.de/international/germany/criticism-mounts-of-handling-of-refugee-crisis-by-merkel-a-1056315.html

I don't mean to be alarmist or even racist and I hope the moderators will see I am trying to be measured and objective but I really worry what happens when large numbers of immigrants, mostly from Islamic countries, finally get the vote. What type of candidates will they vote for ?

It is inevitable that with the current rate of change in Europe, sooner or later, a Muslim leader will be elected.

moved
It's most amazing that those who have NEVER lived in any Western Europe country claim to know and as a result write only BS. Best would be not to talk about what we don't know. Nevertheless racist Poles don't mind Western Europe's salaries and conditions.

Don't have to live there to know what this Muslim invasion is all about.
Only the dummies are living in denial.
I'm not advocating violence, but would just like to point out that IF........yes, I mean IF, as in hypothetically......we were to burn every koran and mosque, and forcefully convert, enslave, tax or behead every Muslim, it is the same fate they have chosen for us, in the long run !

WAKE UP !

Muslim people causing trouble here too, all corrupted at the local mosque. Government is in denial even as they try to murder our police. We will pay for these dumb mistakes.

Okay, person who's lived in a Western Europe country (can I get your autograph?) Please list a single western Europe country where large scale immigration from mulsim majority countries has been a success (as in the group as a whole pays more into the system than they take out).

This just in: German government actively works to conceal crime occurring in "refugee" camps in Germany.

focus.de/regional/erfurt/migration-zeitung-anweisung-an-polizisten-zu-fluechtlingsheimvorfaellen_id_5014335.html

two cent summary: Police claim they've received instructions to not release certain information on activities in camp to the press.

@Maf: this is POLISH forums but since none of the racists in PF have even lived in Western Europe, don't talk about what you do not know. Talking about what one doesn't know about is pure stupidity.

Just one thing, inspite of their tiny muslim minorities, Western Europe is the most socially advanced and most liberal area in the world: extensive welfare programs (very much appreciated by racist Poles ;)), equal rights for men and women, abortion, contraception (in a lot of countries, both even free of charge), same sex mariage, no death penalty, ... (= the exact opposite of what Muslims believe in) ;));

PS: Racist Poles love living in Western Europe ;);)

Let's talk about what you know then. Answer my question and mention any western european country where the muslim community (immigrants and their descendents) is not an overall drain on the economy. I'll wait while you go and look up the figures.....


And so it makes sense to bring 1.5 million muslims a year because....... (nb. muslims born in europe tend to have more radical beliefs than their parents or the prevailing beliefs in their ancestoral countries). At what point will muslim beliefs threaten those wonderful social accomplishments of western europe?