IF EU let refugees to Europe

These people all seem to have high tech cell phones with internet access to rely on social media to help them get where they want to go.

I just picked this up on the news myself.

As word of the Arctic Route to Europe has spread on social media, Norwegian officials are increasingly expressing alarm over the influx of migrants who see Russia's remote border with Norway as a safer and cheaper alternative to leaky boats on the Mediterranean.

But the Russian journey, too, has its unique quirks along the way.
From Murmansk, migrants must first make their way some 136 miles north - past barren tundra, Russian military bases and heavily armed checkpoints - to the small mining town of Nickel.

There, refugees face a new twist: Russian law bans foot traffic at the border and Norway fines drivers for carrying migrants across - meaning the only way to cross is by bicycle.

This is the viral video making Political Rounds at the moment. Disclaimer: You will watch and you will be incredibility angry. But the truth needs to be viewed and evaluated

youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

With Open Gates: The forced collective suicide of European nations

Am watching news right now. They have just said that it would cost Germany .... 21 billion euros just this year and some school officials complained that schools are not ready to take in refugees' s kids as no appropriate staff - obviously need to hire lots of teachers of German as a FOREIGN language). Furthermore, Sweden has not enough accommodation to offer and slows down taking in people....

In the other countries, it is obviously not any better. How can Frau Merkel expect to take in millions of newcomers? In many media, I read that 3 million more are to come in 2017. The woman is totally insane and she does not even seem to realize that her "idea" is completely stupid and does not work out. No country is able to accept so many people.

We all can make efforts to take in a few thousands (OK for me) but no one can take in millions of new people since obviously it'll never end..... I have heard this morning that Greece has received over 500,000 refugees since beginning of 2015. Can Greece make it?

Indeed.

At Portugal they kicked out elders from retirement houses to accomodate "refugees".

What a disaster is being formed.


Problem is: The more you take, the more will come. And that is the trap that Merkel created for Europe.

There are 1.8 Billion people at Middle East and Africa that live in Poverty.

When they start to see that they can go to Europe and earn an allowance (200 Euros) bigger than their annual income, OF COURSE they will risk their lifes to do it.

Can a continent of 300 million people accomodate 1.8 billion more?

NO.

EU won't take in ... 1.8 billion people, Levy! ;) but it has gone out of control. At first, it was to take in a few thousands of refugees but after the German girl opened her big month, the situation has turned bezirk.

Yesterday and today, millions of taxpayers's euros wasted in Malta where our "elites", among whom a lot of NON elected (for instance Tusk) are thinking about a "solution". What a circus! And they don't understand why extremist parties are on the rise all over Europe.

PS: just hear: Slovenia to start building a wall ;). Bravo, Frau Merkel!

1.8 billion Euros... Just been pledged to Africa... In the hope it might stem the tide... With no plan.

And will that stop them coming? Thought not!

Between 2003-2006, a certain country called Syria took in 3.6 million Iraqi refugees, on top of an existing 1 million Palestinian refugees (half from 1948 and half from 1967) and on top of about half a million Kurdish-Iraqi refugees that came in during the 90s. And then in 2006, over half a million Lebanese refugees found shelter in Syria on top of the 1 million Palestinians, 1/2 million Kurds and 3.6 million Iraqis. That adds up to over 5.5 million refugees in a country of 20 million. So if Syria (a country with 1/4 the population of Germany, 1/2 of the area and 1/95 of the national income) can do it, I am sure Germany will manage, even if the situation is dramatic at the start. I have been to Germany recently, and yes there is a lot of drama going on at certain crowded locations, but overall they are improving and speeding up their processes very quickly. Have no doubt, the German machine will not fail on this challenge. The media always exclusively displays the most drastic scenario either to keep viewers interested or to manipulate people's views.

And see what is happening with Syria now...

Same happened with Lebanon (a country with i have very strong personal ties).

First they were very generous and accomodated a lot of Palestinian refugees. Really, a LOT. Than at the 70's those palestinian refugees revolted, went riot, start to attack villages and they destroyed the country.

At the end, a lot of lebaneses needed to abandon their own country and escape to Argentina, Brazil, Canada, etc.

Until them, Lebanon was a first world country, known as the Switzerland of Middle East. Now is a failed nation.

Just like Syria.

And just like any other country that tries to be generous in that irrational manner (Hello Merkel, i am talking to you).

There is a huge difference between a country taking in 1/3 of their population in terms of refugees and taking in 1/80-1/40 even 1/20.
Plus both the Lebanese war and the Syrian war are the fault of the Syrian regime - you should ask your Lebanese friends who provoked their allies to start the war in Lebanon and who eventually murdered the Lebanese PM. Same regime. And this is totally irrelevant to this thread.

@Polsyr: I don't think you can compare any of EU country with Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Turkey itd... Something you also forget is that in EU we have democratic elections and if our leaders go too far from what most of the population want, they are removed. In France, in a couple of weeks, we have regional elections and for the first time, FN are to win between 1 (100% sure) and 4 regions as of course they use the refugee issue (just like PiS did, only to mention Poland). Even among German CDU/CSU politicians, a lot of them disagree with Merkel.

Like I have always said, a few thousands of genuine war refugees OK but no EU country can (and wants) to take in millions of people. Sweden now say they cannot take as many as they thought and Slovenia started to build a wall yesterday.

No. The Syrian regime entered (directly) the war after it started. They were opportunistic, but they didnt caused it.

We both know that the PLO* caused the war. Even before Lebanon they already caused a lot of mess in Jordan, to the point that they were considered by the Jordanian government a terrorist organization.

Yes, the PLO was allied of the Syrians. So in some point you are right. But who attacked was not Hafez but the PLO.

*For those that doesn't know, PLO is the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

They where the FIRST to start attacking by trying to gain power (even they being REFUGEES!) in a country half christian and with secular laws.

They where the first to start the war when, at the morning of 13 of April, they opened fire against christians going out from the Mass.

So as much as the Syrians participated in the war lately, the palestinian refugees where THE FIRST to start all the mess and destroy Lebanon.


I beg to differ. It is not irrelevant.

We are discussing the consequences of countries receive huge amounts of "Refugees", like what is happening in Europe (and in some proportion, Poland).

Those examples help to realize that the reality can be much worse than what the liberals and good-doers have in mind.

On that same day, Lebanese Forces (for those that don't know, not official army, but a radical Christian militia) stopped a bus full of people and executed all the Palestinians upon checking their IDs (even including Christian Palestinians). Till today nobody can agree who started and who retaliated, and nobody can prove it (we only have theories but no solid forensic evidence). Remember, also Lebanese Forces were allied with Assad for some time, and his excuse to send his forces into Lebanon was officially to "save Christians". Although once in, he crushed everyone. This is not to say PLO weren't bad. They were bad to just about every nation that hosted them, including Tunisia, Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. But Levi, it is important not to forget that PLO was not an Islamic organization - they had also many Christians among their ranks (that didn't change their criminal nature).

The EU says it will provide financial support to Syria to help stem the flow of refugees. The question is, to WHOM in Syria? The broken criminal government or the broken criminal opposition? I see this a publicity stunt and waste of money unless there is a clear vision and accountability system behind it.

the refugees in Syria aren't the cause of the problems

re the 1.8 billion (more money later! ;)), I doubt money won't end up in the pockets of their filthy rich and bas..tard dictators

Exactly. Either them or terrorists.

To be expected that very little (if any) money paid by EU (including Polish) taxpayers shall go to those in real need ;).

Just heard: Germany needs 20,000 more teachers of German as a FOREIGN language. The refugees shall reduce unemployment among teachers ...

If you were to read this farce in a book you would think it was a comedy, just look at the basic facts, we allow ''your'' people to invade, illegally my country and then I'll pay you to take them back WTF oh and they think this money will end up where its needed.

InPolska, agree, unfortunately the ''laughs'' will be at our expense.

Sweden just announced it is officially ''full''

Yes, Kenny! The "laughs" shall be at our expenses! I don't know whether our "elites" are more stupid than stupid or just pure evil. This morning on TV, I watched Giyzy (spelling?) saying that "Germany feels guitly because of their past and as a result feels that they must open their borders"....... How the h///ll all is going to end up? Another world war? Extremist parties (very likely) in power in all over Europe? We should be "reassured", Mama Merkel and her chihuahas Tusk and consorts have met in Malta (with our money ;)) and have found THE solution. I have stopped voting because all of them pi@@ me off and I don't expect anything good from any of them.

How many European teachers know how to speak Arabic ?
Who is going to pay the salary's and pensions for these 20,000 teachers ?
In the U.S.A. one third of Americans without a high school education are currently jobless and are looking for work in sectors where most immigrants are employed.

Will the UE find this same problem that their own under educated will not be able to find employment and be forced to go on the government welfare programs ?

Who is going to pay for that ?
I have seen the repercussions of the U.S, taking in over 1 million immigrants per year for the past five years legally (most of them Muslim) and the 13 million living in the U.S.A. illegally has done to the economy.

These immigrants come from violent countries and refuse to acclimate and subsequently end up in prison.
Who pays for that ?
The EU has created a nightmare for the "white privileged" to distribute the wealth to "reward failure" from the failing countries.

The next nightmare will be when these refugees start their DEMANDINGS.
So to say they will reduce the employment among teacher I would say it will increase the employment in police, social welfare workers prison workers, court workers and teachers who are all paid for by the citizens of the host country.

That's who pays for that.

and prison guards

@Johnny! 1. I was ironic re unemployment and 2. teaching for instance German to refugees does not require knowledge of Arabic or whatever. Teachers of German as a FOREIGN language in Germany do not know Arabic.... I have taught French to a lot of different nationalities (including Pakistanis, Turks, Finns, Greeks....) and I don't know any of their language ;). Sometimes in one class, there are a good dozen of different nationalities and how the h...ll can you expect the teacher to know all languages???

Breaking news from Germany! "Syrian migrant assaulted three women in 2 hour rampage"
"German police arrested 24 years old Syrian migrant on Wednesday for a string of attacks on German women,including sex assaults"
Wonder how many cases went unreported? They aren't humans they are wild beasts that can't control their sex drive!

Quick search and at-least 3 recent stories surface.

Fuming.

As gruesome as it sounds it's consistent with stories of migrants throwing each other off of overcrowded boats. If a boat is made for 8 people then crowding 24 onto it is clearly not going to work.

The worst stories I heard were migrants out of Africa using other people's kids as human shields.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/migrant-boat-crisis-human-smugglers-throwing-pregnant-women-and-children-overboard-to-drown-to-force-10290183.html

What kind of society can these people contribute to?

From day one the males are pampered and spoilt above their sisters. Their womenfolk are only there to serve the males in the household.

They come from regions in the world where rape, stoning and subjugation of women are commonplace. They view other religion and people with contempt. Their religion teaches this.

They view Europe and the West as old and weak and they can't believe how stupid we are taking them in, giving them preferential rights and benefits, whilst being given free reign to abuse white women (who they regard as cheap prostitutes).

It's rare that any of them are held to account for their crimes, and, in any case, prisons are jihaddi breeding grounds to convert disaffected non-muslims to their cause.

It's little wonder and no coincidence that its 90% angry young males that've come over.

It's largely an effect of Islamic gender segregation. Middle Eastern Christians are about like Southern Europeans, more aggressive in flirting than northerners but they can control themselves and are comfortable in mixed gender environments.

Muslim men from conservative religious backgrounds spend almost no time around women they're not related to and this tends to have a devastating effect on their social functioning.

Exactly. Here where i live even GYMS are seggregated.

Another interesting fact of those seggregated environments of islamic societies is that it is a heavy stimulus for homossexuality (even that being outlawed in islamic societies).

The kid grows until 18 without almost no contact with females, so he start to have fun with his friends in a hidden manner.

well you CHOSE to live there, Levi, why are you whining about it now?

Is he whining? The social dysfunction of Saudi Arabia (and some neighboring states) has been widely commented on in lots of places.

For myself, I take a general "live and let live" approach, I have no desire to force western values on middle eastern societies but I also don't want their values imported to Europe.

that is fine, maf., I know what you are saying, but he lives there for the money that such a place offers men.