IF EU let refugees to Europe

Which illustrates a point. Desperate times caused by govts who dont represent the interests of their people drives extremism.

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What crossed my mind is that Syrian Christians represent sole winners of this refugee crisis. What ever happened to Europe, it would be better then what they had back on Near East.

Nothing whatsoever to do with Poland and taken from racist website whiteresister.com

@Chemi: thanks for your reaction! Of course, "these people" only refer to extremist sites and as a result ...... !!!!! ;);););. More generally, thanks for all your comments! :)

'these people' are only here to spread hate so far as I can see. Like anyone with half a brain is going to believe a headline like that........but I am here to put them right lol ;)

According to the latest estimate announced yesty on the Polish TV news, by 2017 a total of at least three million newcomers will have arrived in Europe. One guess as to where most of them will go or want to go if some type of restrictive barriers are erected. Merkel originally seemed welcoming and receptive and viewed the influx as a way to alleviate the demographic crisis -- after all Yugoslavs, Turks and Kurds had provided the manpower that helped turn Marshal Plan-bankrolled post-war Germany into an economic super-power. But will Germany succeed in separating bona fide refugees from opportunistic migrants? Will the latest edition of newcomers take up productive jobs? Or will they in the main set up Muslim settlements, live on the dole, reproduce prolifically and strenghten their foothold on the continent to spread the "one true faith -- Islam"?

The answer is simple. NO

As Mohammed Merah already proved, it is impossible for few secret services to monitor 800 thousand people. Just impossible. Unfortunately more attacks and deaths are going to happen.

Turks (IINM most "Turks" in Germany are actually ethnic Kurds) mostly didn't stay in heavy industry but mostly retired to small businesses and welfare. According to one report half of all working age ethnic "Turks" in Germany are dependent on (or at least receiving) welfare.

There's basically no country in Europe that has made a significant muslim minority into an economic success story. But like the alchemists they're not letting persistent failure discourage them from trying and trying again.

One big problem is the very low social capital of muslim women. While they do well in education they mostly don't participate in the economy as adults and keeping that many people out of the labor market is going to have bad economic effects.

One of my golden rules of immigration: If the women won't marry local indigenous men then they're not going to integrate they're going to set up an enclave (which is basically never very good economically) and social pressures against muslim women marrying kuffar men (including violence from muslim men) mean that muslims can't integrate enough to actually benefit the countries they're going to.

I had had the impression (erroneous according to you) that the Gastarbeiter had made a significant contribution to Germany's post-war success story. If, as you contend, that is not the case, then Merkel qualifies for the "fool of the year award".

Gastarbeiterss in general, Turks in specific.... not so much. They did improve the fast food scene in Germany.

It's the usual story with middle eastern immigrants in Europe, a few successes (a few of those spectacular) against a much larger background of failure.

But EU leaders are dedicated to the idea that different populations have the same potential social capital and are determined to follow it no matter what actually happens.

Cheap labor (the Germans call these days "Billigloehner") has always been welcome in industrialized, Western nations, the US among the prime examples of those beneficiaries who've richly reaped the fruits of their often unsung labors, migrant workers toiling in the vinyards of ingratitude, performing sometimes back-braking tasks with little to show for it!

Fact is, Merkel misshandled the migrant crises and badly. If I were a German voter, I too would give her a vote of no confidence:-)

This is a broader issue than Islam (which has a more mixed record than you suggest), this is a case of governments conspiring to replace existing populations (which are failing the basic Darwinian imperative of reproducing) with ones that will reproduce (though nb in the more educated parts of the muslim world fertility is also at very low rates, it's a real problem in Iran and Western turkey).

The fact that this new people is mostly socially apathetic and disengaged and not very well educated is icing on the cake.

BIlly, Merkel is not a deranged lunatic, she's what we in the States call "a knee-jerk liberal", even if her party considers her a "conservative"! Merkel, Gauck, Schroeder etc.. merely mouth the SPD party line of inclusion and diversity, trying their level best to jump over the long shadow of Hitler and show the world that Germany's in truth a democratic, pluralistic society.

Fact is, a leopard doesn't change its spots and you can't physically jump over your own shadow now, can you?

this is a case of governments conspiring to replace existing populations (which are failing the basic Darwinian imperative of reproducing) with ones that will reproduce

No harm in having less children. The Japanese fully accept their population is set to reduce from 120m to about 40m as the baby boomers die off. And it'll be unpleasant for one generation only (burden of support) but it'll be worth it.

What Merkel and her chums are doing is completely wreckless and undemocratic. We're her people asked or consulted? (No).

I agree to a large extent. On the other hand, I've never heard of a national referendum in which the citizen is "consulted", except perhaps in Switzerland:-)

Merkel is just bending over backwards to extend what she honestly believes is the helping hand of fairness. Trouble is, fair to whom?

ISIS Terrorists vow to turn Syria into a graveyard for Russians

youtube.com/watch?v=nVlekIA4ZyQ

Syria's War Battlefield Update for 5th November, 2015 - International Military Review

youtube.com/watch?v=9s7Mh-YVPhk

U.S. Congresswoman: CIA Must Stop Illegal, Counterproductive War to Overthrow Assad

youtube.com/watch?v=IHkher6ceaA

McCain is fascinated by Carter claim that US-backed "moderate rebels" are not bombed by Russia

youtube.com/watch?v=PjD2UR7lXNU

Instead of promoting immigration, LBGT nonsense, and other anti-European anti-Family policies,
they should close the borders, care first and foremost to real Europeans, guard the borders and promote family values.

This will drive the leftists insane but thats good. Europeans need to have more kids. Europe can afford. The same with some East Asians.
Its the Africans and Muslims from poorer countries who are having too many kids. They cant afford them, leads to more problems for everyone.

Why would ISIS send agents through the south border when they can simply come from east or west ? People are wary of Syrian migrants, while those migrating from EU contries are assumed to be perfectly safe.

No we are here to educate people like you who think you are right when you are wrong.
May I semi quote Thomas Paine.
To spar with you two women who have renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

why sending agents from syria to europe when they can recruit EU citizens directly...

Well this is a bit like arguing guns with you, absolutely pointless. I'm not the one who has some mad obsession with Muslims.
But I do think it's wrong when people such as Billy9999 can quote absolutely made up headlines like 'Swedish court rules that's it's ok for Muslims to rape women' from a racist website like whiteresister.com, which was the point of my posts. Or do you believe that to be true as well?

I accept that your views are very different from mine, but some people here aren't actually posting the truth, just lies from racist websites with an agenda. That I do object to.

I have Polish pen pals that all tell me that they would own a gun if they had the option.
Then you and a couple of liberal ex pats try to tell me different what do you expect.


No because you have never had to deal with their demands. (yet)


I agree with you however things like that should not just be swept under the rug by the media if it is indeed true.
We have the right to make ourselves aware.


I don't think they are as much as you do.


You mean like Detective Dolphin and Harold did about me posting with multiple user names in hopes of getting me banned?
I don't object to refugees in fear for their lives, I object to the majority of the refugees (the opportunists) that have not been invited with an agenda to destroy a culture and Christianity.

Absolutely.

It's deliberate flaming, the worst kind of trolling, and drags the whole forum down.

I wonder what these people hope to achieve when they just come across as cranks, clowns or both,

If someone wants to post a true statement which opposes my personal views, I don't have a problem with that. It's what makes for a debate after all.

I have a problem with people posting absolute sh1te with the sole intention of spreading race hate, and sadly there's been plenty of that going on here.


Our views are at opposite ends of the spectrum.


Please quote what I actually said Johnny, I don't like my quotes being altered and you are not meant to do this.
This is what I actually said:



There is no agenda Johnny, and going on mad rants about Muslims isn't helping you. In fact it shows that you have little respect for this forum and Admin's views.


I am so sick of reading it, I post against it in the hope that it will shut them up, but some of them are so brain dead I doubt pointing out their lies will make any difference.


I don't think people like this have too much going on in their lives Jon......what does it say about a person when they have nothing better to do than post race hate on an internet site? Just hoping someone will notice them I suppose........bet they're a laugh a minute at parties ;)

"Sole intention" is your subjectuive interpretation, I'm afraid. You would have to get into somebody's mind to be able to evaluate their motivation. The fact is that many decent, non-racist people are deeply concerned about this whole refugee/migrant crisis and are groping for solutions. So far nobody has come up with one that would resolve this imbroglio to the satisfaction of all parties concerned.

It is my interpretation Polonius, because the posts I've been commenting on have been proven to be lies, and are linked from known racist websites. Do you seriously think that ' 'Swedish court rules that's it's ok for Muslims to rape women' is true? If so, then why hasn't it made national/International headlines?

If someone posts crap like that, then would you mind telling me what you think their intentions are if not to spread race hate?


Yes, and I am one of them. I think Merkel made a catastrophic mistake in what she did, and all of Europe will be paying for her mistake in the future, so i do understand how people feel, but some people on here are taking it too far in what they are posting.

Good thing you and I are trying to keep a balanced approach. Dunno what your situation is but I am the grandson of four Polish-born grandparents. Had they not risked the gruelling ocean voyage and the distress of starting all over again in a strange land, their descendants would have gone through two world war, the bolshevik revolution and the post-war commie takeover. Yes, they settled in predominantly Polish neighbourhoods but did not try to make the country over or bend its rules to their own value system the way Muslim immigrants in the US are doing.

I'm sure that must have been difficult for your grandparents, it takes courage to up sticks and start all over again in a different country.

Who knows how things might have turned out had they stayed? Much suffering I am sure for their descendants...

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I can't really comment on that Polonius as I an not in the US and consequently can't say how Muslims behave there.

So far peacefully. They take over neighborhoods little by little but legally by buying property. However my own once mainly Polish-dominated home town still has a PolAm mayor but four of the six town councillors are Muslims, all democratically elected. So far no terrorist violence.

I think the problem lies in that if the word 'Muslim' is mentioned, people are automatically thinking ' ISIS '.
The majority of Muslims just want to get on with their daily lives the same as the rest of us.
Of course there is a risk that terrorists may get through borders in Europe along with the refugees, and i think this is what many people fear, but to be honest there are probably ISIS members in many countries already, long before the refugee crisis rose to the fore.