IF EU let refugees to Europe

According to lastest news: The attacks were organized from Syria. @Chem: unfortunately too many idiots not able to understand that the huge majority of any population are alright. In France, they expect a few hundreds to be concerned and therefore need to destroy them and also to close borders and to control people because it is not NORMAL that some born in Europe get training and weapons from abroad and then may easily return to their countries of residence and blow up places. I hope from now on, that Merkel (who is crying today ;)) shall understand that people must be controlled at borders.

I just watched Hollande's address to the French people. Didn't mention the M-word once. Talk about PC. Pathetic.

@Pol; as an American, you confuse everything. If you refer to 2005 "riots" in France, NOTHING political or religious. 2 kids chased by the police because of wrongdoings (I don't remember but may be they had tried to steal a car) hid inside a building forbidden to public because dangerous and got electrocuted and the population reacted against the police and the authorities in general.

I know re American media covering foreign countries, they don't know anything and only make up BS.

@Billy: Hollande like 99.99% (including the Le Pen family) of the French is able to make the difference between a handful of terrorists and millions of peaceful and respectful "muslim" citizens. Since you know better, what has Hollande said? ;)

Well, sometimes they do. Remember when Al-Shabaab terrorists attacked university campus in Garris (Kenia) in April? They divided the hostages by religion, then let the Muslims go and killed Christians.

It is against the law in super-secular France to report that such and such a percentage of prison inmates are Muslims. In Ameirca, the Obamists and other leftist liberals try to suppress info on the percentage of Afros behind bars. And they persist even though it is constantly backfiring.

Ok Rovan, what I should have said was that generally terrorists don't make distinctions between groups of people when conducting attacks.
But in the case of the hostages being taken and killed at the concert hall in France, there was no way of knowing what groups of people were inside. They were on a mission to kill people and I don't think they were being selective about who their victims were.

I am not going to lower myself to comment on the usual racist nonsense spouted here, other than to offer InPolska condolences for those of her countrymen who have been the victims of this atrocity. Which will obviously be followed rapidly by others, such as the bulk standard mistaken target of an innocent Afghan wedding party which "information led us to believe was a meeting of terrorist leaders..."

It really is quite simple - get our troops the hell out of those countries. They are certainly not there in my name, and I feel little sympathy for the British soldier who takes the Queen's shilling. Nobody told him to earn his living by killing others who really ought to be left alone, in an unn-winnable war. But it goes on.

Paris will be a great place for a weekend break for a good while. It will be one of the safest places on the planet after this tragedy, definitely safer than Warsaw, where you can get cut down by a speeding driver at any time of the day or night.

It's called "the elephant in the room".

Cowardly, weak and pathetic " leaders" skirting around the issues and ignoring the bleeding obvious.

Their own people are screaming out at them. Everyone knew this was coming, everyone knows it will get worse and worse.

Clear, decisive and courageous leadership is required NOW.

Very welll said billy.

I Couldn't say better.

We need, NOW, RIGHT NOW leaders that don't give a fu*k to political correctness.

Leders that are not afraid to SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAY and to DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

Weak leaders will let their own countries be destroyed.

Strong leaders will survive together with their people.

Yes, Pol, that what I was trying to explain to 2 Americans here in PF who could not understand. In France, religious (NORMAL as France a "laic" country since 1905 (the 1st country and then Turkey in the 1920's under Atta Turk, and later on Mexico and Portugal in 1976 followed)) and ethnic statistics are not allowed. There are only broad estimates (it's just like we estimate homosexuals are some 1.5/2% in western societies but no official figures since we don't ask people ;)) but even if a lot of Muslims are in prison, it does not make them terrorists ;). Most of them in jail were involved in drugs or petty thieves (snaching purses, telephones...). Their behavior does not result from them being "muslim" (a lot of them are either secular or atheist) but from their lack of education, lack of professional and social perspectives. Difficult for them for instance to get decent jobs even when highly educated! Even the FN are aware of that and are able to understand situation (FN brags about having a lot of "muslim" voters (it is true a lot do vote for FN).

The problem with "muslim" immigrants is their lack of education and their poverty. It is exactly like the situation with blacks in the US.

Quite.

I'm still astounded that we caused so much trouble over the last 15 years in that region. And the American gun-nuts tell us to be armed for our safety when they caused most of this trouble in the first place?!

@Doug! Thanks! :) True, no need to lower oneself to try to respond to those fascists but sometimes what they write is too big not to react ;).

@Chemi: of course, terrorists shoot at anybody. On Jan. 7 (just one example among so many), some "muslims" and blacks (including a very young girl from Antilles who had just started a carreer in the police) were also shot dead.

I have just heard (I have tv on and of course they don't talk about anything else) that at Georges Pompidou Paris hospital (the biggest hospital in Europe) they have been operating non stop since last night, a lot of wounded are in serious state...

Would the same be appliable when West Europe invaded Serbia just because Serbia was defending themselves?

Which shows just how dysfunctional the local residents are. Two little thugs who are too stupid to realize that electricity is dangerous get killed because of their own lawlessness and illiteracy and people get mad at the police. That is deeply screwed up and such people will never be productive.


No. The problem is that their values inevitably lead to a lack of education and therefore poverty. Again there is not a single muslim minority in Western Europe that pulls its own financial weight. Why keep letting new ones arrive?

That is stupidest of stupid of the many stupid things that you have posted here.

Bolsheviks playing victims here, that priceless, :D

No amount of old bolshevist pandering, lies and manipulation should convince government of Poland to give in to unlawful and unjust demands of the old imperialistic nations.

On the other hand its hilarious like old Bolshevik guard are working hand in hand with the big capital as the EU is nothing else but corporation's playground.

Side note - Junker that old wrinkled plum call from a country (if you can call that few houses huddled together in the middle of the fields) which is infamous in some circles for their money laundering services. I wonder if his stern support of so called refuges being admitted to Europe do not stem from a fact that smugglers were/are making a fortune on bringing in people from Africa and Middle East.

Guess who provide services they need i.e. money laundering ?- yeah you got it right.
It makes you think doesn't it? :)

Yes, Doug and Delph! Let's get the hell out of there! There are neither in MY name. I've seen (on tv) a twitter message from Assad who said that "he had warned us (westerners) and that very soon we (= westerners)"ll have an earthquake" ;)

@Johnny: I lived over 8 years in Southern US (Georgia, more precisely Athens and then Atlanta) and also contrary to you, I also have lived in France and yes, there is a lot in common between blacks in the US and those "muslims" population in W. Europe. Both groups (although some are successful) are kind of second class citizens (inspite of having the same rights) and stigmatized or even worse discriminated against (although illegal too). It is very hard for a "muslim" to be offered a job in France other than a "low skilled/paid" job. Highly educated kids have a hell of a time to be offered decent jobs. A 'muslim" or "black" shall have a hell of a time to find private accommodation. Of course, all this is illegal but this happens every day and not only in France. When some categories of citizens are not treated right, no surprise that they get frustrated, angry and react accordingly. As you know NOTHING re France, let me tell you that said (Parisian) youth when speaking French DO have some intonations of American blacks speaking in English (I suppose it comes from their listening to black American artists). In the meantime, some 128 innocent people got murdered and 200 of them are hospitalized, among whom 1/2 are in most critical state but you don't give a sh@@@T.

A French guy of Algerian descent told me a few years ago that his brother had seen a black man working in a bank in London. "Can it be true?" he sincerely asked.

There's a kind of horrible feedback loop going on. Something like this happens and instead of concentrating on the victims and figuring out how to prevent similar events in the future some people are jumping ahead to make sure they express sympathies for those that have something in common with the attackers (ie muslims in France). This leads to more apathy among muslims who have done a terrible job of cleaning house which later leads to more greivances.

This is deeply wrong and betrays a lack of basic survival instincts (Western Eruope no longer has any political language for talking about national interests or protecting citizens).

My strongest sympathies are with the victims and their surviving families and my priority is for similar events to not happen again. Fears of "islamophobia" and the like are non-starters now.

And yes, the US should get out of the middle east (and there's no reason for more than a tiny trickle of middle easterners to come to Europe). If they want to live in better societies they can build them (well the problem is they can't but you get the idea).

@Roger: of course a lot of them fortunately find work at the highest level (both private and public sectors) but it is very difficult for them. Although it is illegal, a lot of recruiters go by the "BBR" rule ("bleu, blanc, rouge" = to exclude ANYBODY not of French decent and this concerns also Mr. Kowalski or Mrs. Gonzales). Same applies to finding accommodation. With my Polish husband, we had difficulty in finding an aparmtent to rent in Paris. Of course it is illegal and there are a lot of government institutions and associations fighting against racism and discrimination) but it is most difficult to prove that X was refused a job or accommodation because being this or that. The recruiter or landlord/lady of course shall say "Another applicant fits better...).

Not hard to become frustrated and become hostile to the system. Of course and unfortunately, those people don't become ... terrorists ;)

The guy of whom I spoke was a graduate, as was his Polish wife, who had a degree in French but was told that she couldn't get a job because she had an accent! They both worked in menial jobs at EuroDisney.

@Roger: I know and like I say, although racism, discrimination etc... are illegal, this happens and is very hard to prove. The guy being of Algerian descent so very hard to get a decent job and the woman being Polish and not speaking French properly (= 2 things held against her ;)). They most often hire people who are different either for "sh@@ty work" or to pay them less ;). For decades, a lot of foreign (including now a lot of Rumanian) doctors have been hired to work at French hospitals and guess what, they are paid 50% of what French doctors get.... Well, I know, there is NO excuse but this is the way it is everywhere (I've known Russian doctors working for peanuts at some NY hospitals too...). Why did Britain open their labor market to Eastern Europeans right away and why does Merkel want 6 million migrants if not to have cheap labor?

They are called "Progressive Liberals" to enrich the culture.


Here we go again with your "I am more qualified then you because I lived there" bullock.
Fact is sista that I have lived and worked in Atlanta (Stone Mountain) and the United States much longer then you ever did.
So there, put that in your pretentious holier than thou pipe and smoke it.
...how can the bleeding-heart Liberals cry "FOUL" ... and "Racism"?... when it comes to the Muslims ! phew....
This is bad.... Curious to see how the "French" are gonna handle it !
They could CAVE.... they've done it SEVERAL TIMES in the past.


Typical liberal that supports rioting, killing and destroying other people's property in the name of justice and you call it "accordingly" !
Sorry to say that your politically correctness isn't an excuse to act like animals and murderers regardless what color you are.


What a desperate lie to ice off your self righteousness.

A guy just arrested in Germany connected to last night's attacks (latest news).

Got a link?

Apparently one of the dead attackers has been found with a Syrian passport.

Actually he was arrested last week but since has been linked to the attack.
German media report that a 51-year-old man arrested last week after firearms were discovered in his car has been linked to the Paris attacks.
You can bet the Germans aren't going to stand for this crap.

Of course they will, as I've said, basic survival instincts have been trained out of western Europeans (one reason that east is best!)

MODS - this post stinks of spoof right wing Yankee..... Persian my left foot....spent two years with Persians and they don't write in the vernacular......get rid is my advice. It would be funny, but in the current climate of "Hate all refugees" - who AT this moment are out in wind and rain, and suffering on the streets and in the fields of Southern Europe - we have to endure nonsense from jokers like this poster.

He should go and tell his mummy he is sorry, and write 1000 lines of "I will learn some respect, for I am an immature teenager, and I am sorry for being so sarcastic."

@Billy and Johnny: I have not heard anything about him, not even his nationality, age or whatever, they just said he was arrested late last night or this morning (not difficult to get out of Paris and move to Germany in a few hours). Obviously, this kind of operation organized from Syria involved a lot of people and it is normal (and fortunate) that a lot of them are going to be arrested almost everywhere in Europe (no borders, people can move around with no control ....)

PS: all borders are closed. Extra cops and soldiers in the Streets. I would be in favor of putting tanks and also légionnaires in the streets....

Couldn't they have gotten that by allowing Eastern Europeans to work there earlier? This is not about cheap labor (especially since they're coming from demographics that are not known for their willingness to work for just anyone....)