IF EU let refugees to Europe

Come on, guys, I understand your anger and pain, but please use your brain. First of all, it seems that the terrorists were mostly French and Belgian citizens and that only one of them might have entered the EU through Greece. Second, the refugee crisis and the uncontrolled immigration of people from the Middle East and elsewhere into the EU started already long before Merkel opened her stupid mouth. You can blame Merkel for a lot, but not for the terror attacks in Paris. Well, at least not at the moment, I should say...

Possibly two, but I think even one is enough for her head to fall. It was said repeatedly by the right wing opposition that Merkel had essentially opened the door to terrorists, and if it's established that even one came after Merkel opened the door, I can't see her surviving at all.

Let's hope so. Unfortunately, the alternatives are worse. The SPD/Greens are freaking do-gooders that would allow even more Middle Easterners into Germany, and PEGIDA and AfD are possibly too far to the right of the political spectrum to be elected. If Merkel goes, the left in Germany will take over, and that will be the end of Germany and the EU as we know it.

it's so funny,.

whenever hundreds of people comment that 10 - 20% of the "refugees" are actually radical islamists soldiers who came to Europe to burn it to the ground, the messages get "deleted"/ censored

so interesting

So the admins here on PF are muslims.

The NEW MUSLIMS "REFUGEES" DID THIS and they will burn Europe to the ground.

Wake up people, all our nations will be erased by Muslims islamists

Usual left-wing'y excuse. It was the IS. In a matter of so heavy-weight (hundreds of innocent people) you are one step from blaming Belgs and the French.... Fact those Muslims obtained Western citizenships doesn't instantly, magically change their beliefs especially with them being heavily indoctrinated and even brainwashed from the day they got born. For the lots of them fighting "the infidel" or "evil West" is the sole purpose of living. And they will do what it takes and take as much time(years) as needed. The so called "advanced" West has allowed the enemy to become internal. It's impossible to defend against the threat from within. We have let the fox into our henhouse and im am sure it's going to be worse and worse in the not so distant future. I just wonder how many human souls it's gonna take for the Govs and the public to realise that we mustn't try any dialogues but simply ban them from moving here and keep them as fas as possible so they eventually start killing each other and cease to exist.

Bullsh*it. You've taken my response completely out of context. It was the French and Belgian police which stated that the terrorists were French and Belgian citizens (plus two with a fake Syrian and Egyptian passport). They were most likely born in France/Belgium, not let into the country as you imply.

@TheOther Sorry. Got a bit overcarried.

@NocyMrok

No problem.

Are AfD not reasonably credible?

I'm imagining some sort of scenario involving the CSU and AfD linking up and dealing a hammer blow to the SPD along with forcing the CDU to move more to the right, but how credible that is - I don't know.

@The Other: 7 terrorists on Friday, only 1 (too many) was French and investigators are on the Syrian path. Sure, there are potential terrorists in France (and elsewhere) but they all work with "international terrorism". They get their orders and money from their Middle-East and their war weapons from former Yugoslavia and former USSR through Belgium, which is the main place in whole Europe. As heard last night on Frenc TV, there is a big community from the Balkans in Belgium and many (NOT ALL because of course most of them ae decent citizens and respectful of Belgian laws) smuggling weapons from former Yugoslavia into Belgium, which has become a supermarket for war weapons. What does EU do against that? They smuggle war weapons right under the noses of Junker, Tusk and consorts and ..... ????

Out of 7 terrorists, at least 2 of them being refugees, not hard to realize that no country from now on will accept refugees in. I doubt that Germany will.

Well, keep your French bashing without me! Contrary to you, I have compassion for innocent victims (and later on today am going to French Embassy).

To me, it's completely obvious that people before entering any country should be thoroughly screened.

I thought two of the attackers were Paris born. Same with the newspaper shooting

That is most concerning to me.

@Doug! Of course most of the refugees are decent people but you cannot deny especially now that a lot of terrorists and potential terrorists hide among them in order to enter EU. Out of the 7 terrorists in Paris last Friday, at least 2 of them were "refugees" (confirmed) and it is normal that people in EU (and elsewhere) are scarred (I am now traumatized) (when not completely hostile) of taking in people. According to a news report, about 70% of Syrian young men have left their country. Is it normal that so many fit and strong 25-30 year-old guys leave their country at war instead of staying there and fight? For sure, among them, there are terrorists and potential terrorists and according to you, we all should follow Angela blindly, and let everybody in. Believe me, nobody wants to take risks and I'm sure that most of EU governments shall follow Poland.

So? If an identifiable group is disproportionately responsible for violence and/or crime the sensible thing to do is to halt or at least heavily restrict in-migration from that group irregardless of how nice the majority are. It's called looking out after the interests of the citizenry and not random foreigners.

Indeed.

The most idiotic idea that i had ever seen is to " Open all border for humanitarian reasons"

Some imbecile leader sall the "Day after tomorrow" and tried to replicate that in real life.


I Said exactly the same thing 3 months ago :)

To have borders opened to all for decades (it's not new) beats me! Any criminal, any drug and weapon smuggler, any terrorist may enter with no problem and for our "elites", it is ... normal. Our so called "elites" are at least as guilty as the terrorists who attacked Paris (and other cities)

I didn't say that.

Was every German soldier a Nazi? There was such a thing as screening, and de-nazification. So what are you going to do with the refugees? Leave women and children to spend the European winter in tented camps? And then force them and their menfolk back to a warzone against all precedent of modern day Civil Law?

I don't think so.

There is a HUGE difference between taking in a few genuine refugees fearing for their life (I'm for) and letting EVERYBODY in the way Merkel/EU want all EU countries to do.... Merkel, Junker, Tusk and consorts have their responsability in Friday's attacks... They should resign before populations get angry.

Because the fools that take those decisions are being defended by GIGN, by SAS, by GSG9...

Meanwhile, the ordinary citizen gets slaughtered at the streets.


They should be judged for crime against Europe and treason against their own countries.

the problem is that they run the international court of justice ;). Only Serbians and Africans face international justice.

I am no fortune teller but I wouldn't be surprised if Frau Angela had to resign before end of 2015. Germans can be very rough (as they have shown us ;))

Yes, the little guy suffers.

I did some very quick and superficial checking of a few German newspapers and didn't see any reference to the attacker(s) who came through Greece. Maybe it's not being reported there?

Can anyone verify if that fact is in the German media?

It looks like they're actually avoiding the subject. Well, well, well...

Frau Merkel needs to be slung out and tried for treason and held directly to account for the 10,000 angry young males invading Germany EVERY DAY. She should take immediate responsibility for enticing the migrants across into Europe.

Germany needs to round up all of these people, including the hundreds of thousands in transit now right across central europe and send them ALL back. They are all here illegally.

And Germany must pick up the bill and compensate the rest of Europe for all the wreckage, damage, rape and, loss of life that has occurred as a direct result of this wild and reckless experiment.

Also, time for all Muslim communities here in Europe to stop sitting on the sidelines and declare where their loyalties actually lie.

Some further googling does find coverage but mostly not too prominently and mostly without comments enabled..... Where comments could be found they were pretty hostile to the government but I don't know the German media scene well enough to draw many conclusions.

Pretty hard to argue with your post. Although there are still incorrigible "bleeding heart" leftists who claim there is no connection between the refugee/

migrant invasion and the Paris attacks. Those addle-brained utopianists are so horse-blinkered and set in theri ways that no evidence is able to bring them to their senses.

@Maf: What???? Nothing in German media???? Unbelievable! If German government gives "instructions" to the media, not only it's very bad and a big low to democracy but also it's completely stupid since Germans use Internet and a lot of them know other languages

Updated: I could find some stuff, but it does like it's not being..... stressed at all. And usually without allowing comments.

Inpolska "how do you expect Germany to give compensation to other EU countries for the big mess? "

Errrm I didn't think through what i had written , errm i have no idea,, Sorry just a village boy,

But I would have expected Germany to have thought through their Asylum policy before they implemented it.

@Dolno: Yes! A couple of days, a German politician (Schroeder? I don't remember) said it that Merkel had no plan and did not make any sense. I don't see how one can say the opposite. It's most amazing that a woman all by herself decide on such an important matter. I can't remember anybody else doing something that insane. It's beyond reason. Merkel is so arrogant that she does not show any remorse but as I don't know her, I wonder.... If she is a normal woman, at least deep Inside, she knows that she did something wrong. Sorry, no one has the right to mess up a whole continent and to exploit refugees the way she has by promising them big things.

Of course what happened in Paris would have happened any way. Everybody in France knows that France is at war and as a result has to expect consequences (during Algerian war, there were bombs too from Algerian FLN and from French extreme right OAS) but since at least 2 (out of the 7) terrorists were recent migrants, this is going to be a huge blow against Merkel and her policies. I'd be surprised if she had to resign (when Germans are mad...)

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