IF EU let refugees to Europe

"Germany needs immigrants" If that's the case the why are the Germans trying to share out the recent migrants that Angela Merkel invited amongst other EU countries that never invited them.

I disagree. Why would a small, densely populated country like Germany, which has already 80+ million people, need millions more? Most countries on Earth would be much more enjoyable if they cut their population at least in half. The population growth is killing the planet, but hey ... we all need consumers that fuel our economies, right?

IF? They're here already. What a mess. I don't understand why Merkel is still a premier of Germany, she should be locked away in a medical facility.

The traditional purpose of large scaled low-skilled immigration is to keep wages down (simultaneously offloading lots of secondary costs onto the taxpayer).

Same here in the US, Maf! Without boatloads of Chinese, Mexicans, and Hindus, American entrepreneuers would go broke; they'd actually have to pay their employees a living wage (or better), heaven forbid:-)

Naah, immigration's too good for business to simply go away! It's too good a performer.

That's how it used to be, yes. Nowadays, most basic blue collar jobs have been moved from Germany, the EU or the US to China and other second/ third world countries. The western world doesn't need any low skilled immigrants (with exceptions like farm work, of course), it needs highly educated ones.

Chances are that if you purchase a Krups coffeemaker, even Hoffritz or Henkel products, they may say the eminent German brand name on the package, but the product itself was manufactured in China! The one hope in the back of my mind is that perhaps the product is no longer "Made in Germany", but the supervisory team which oversaw the production and manufacture, is German, and not Chinese, in order that we the consumer might be assured of TOP quality:-)

This could be merely another pipe dream, 'cuz the German team would have to be paid top euro, thus, why bother?
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Bingo. It's healthy for society too.

It is???!

So walking into a US office as an American-born job seeker with an advanced degree and being told by someone with an accent you could cut with a machete, who may have never even walked into a highschool (considering they even graduated "kindigarden"LOL), much less college, and whose grammar is just moderately comprehensible in comparison with the person who's not even employed yet is "healthy", huh? If that's healthy, then what's sick?

Well, why is there a demagogue rising in America anyway? Because certain folks such as yours truly are sick and tired of being sick and tired of this thoroughly avoidable trend ever since Ronald ("The Great") Reagan, the patron saint of outsourcing:-)

Western societies need a certain number of low wage, unskilled, and preferably uninsured workers to cook, clean, nanny, and do other menial low skill, low wage jobs that most people in the host nation don't want to do. Look at even Poland - millions of Poles emigrated to the west and became construction workers, cleaning ladies, nannies, cooks, agricultural workers (more so in Germany a while back - not so much in the US/UK) so now the Ukranians are taking these positions.


To a point... there can be a healthy balance between low skill, low wage immigrant workers and there's a tipping point when this population becomes far too large and then their wages go down due to competition. In Chicago for example, one can easily hire a Mexican day laborer standing in front of home depot for as cheap as $50 a day - and some will even go lower than that and fight over one another to get that day or two of work. When you allow an unrestricted amount of low skilled, low wage workers to come into a country - there's only so many jobs they can fill. There is a finite amount of cooking, cleaning, landscaping, and construction jobs. Also, a lot of people who use to get paid a half decent wage - say $12 an hour for nannying - are losing their job because a person can find an immigrant for say $60 a day and make them work a 10 hour day. Even companies that had like 100 employees - say janitors and cleaning ladies that received decent pay, benefits, and health insurance are going bankrupt and losing contracts because offices are hiring independent Mexican owned firms that pay their employees like $8-$9 an hour and do not provide any sort of health insurance or benefits. Yes, it's cheaper for that office and in turn those people are given a low wage - but in turn, that company who had 100 employees goes out of business and now those people must compete with workers that will take the same type of jobs at a far lower wage and will not be insured as many are illegal, or even contract workers.

Amazon is one of largest exploiters of immigrant labor. In Chicago, there is an enormous Amazon warehouse where thousands of people work in pretty bad conditions for minimum wage. The people work over 40 hours a week and make around $240 a week after deductions from their check. They are hired through work agencies (which have an office right next to the amazon warehouse as well as in the poor Mexican neighborhoods) as contractors and are bused to Amazon facilities (for which the workers pay around $20-$30 a week out of their paycheck). Through this loophole, Amazon is able to have an enormous workforce while not having to provide insurance or even worker's comp if a worker is injured inside the warehouse since they are considered to be contractors.

On a side note, the Mexicans standing in front of home depot who solicit people to hire them have demanded that shelters and weather proof facilities be built so that they aren't exposed to the elements while they solicit shoppers doing repairs on their homes.

I still really give a lot of props to the Mexicans in the US - they really work their tail off. Compare them to the blacks for example - the blacks speak English (albeit barely) and have citizenship, and understand American customs and practices (like how to exploit welfare and complain the white man is holding them back). The Mexicans go to work every day and are happy to be in this country. They work hard because they are thankful for the opportunity to be in the US and appreciate even the low wage, uninsured job that they have. They save their money and do their best to give their children a better life in a country that's more developed than Mexico and offers more opportunities. Many Mexicans even take English classes and do their best to assimilate and become a productive, tax paying member of society. Meanwhile, blacks collect welfare (60% of welfare recipients are black despite blacks being only 13-14% of the population) and will not do the types of jobs that Mexicans do as they are unable to handle the physical demands of landscaping or construction. The ones that work in fast food feel that their low skills are worth $15 an hour... they demand this wage for flipping a burger - a skill than anyone with one hand and an developmentally disabled IQ level can handle. The Mexican, on the other hand, is happy to have made $60 for putting up drywall for 10 hours - which takes far more skill than flipping a burger and saying 'Would you like fries with that?'


Clinton outsourced far more jobs. Thanks to NAFTA, Mexico has become a little version of China in terms of manufacturing. Even the Ford facility in Chicago has moved to Mexico as it's far cheaper - both the taxes are lower and the wages are low. Labor is typically a corporations' largest expense

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Agreed, Adian! But Reagan encouraged the trend. Clinton though clearly was only a half-a-loaf president for the middle class, that is, for the US citizen, since even if the top 1% benefited from Clinton (as they SURELY did under Reagan), if only certain people are served, it's as though noone was served. How can one honestly benefit off of their neighbor's misery and be able to sleep at night? Simple, they traded in their conscience for a brand new ChevyLOL

Clinton too was buddy-buddy with the late Sam Walton, arch enemy of paid sick days and trade unions:-)

The 1% benefits from every president in charge since the 60's. Actually, since income first became taxed in 1913 and for about 30 years after that period, it was only the richest members of society that paid taxes. Our income tax laws have been changed so many times since that. At one point, we had some 20 to even as many as 50 brackets and at another the 1% paid something like over 90% tax rate on income.

taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets

The problem with overtaxing the 1% is that after a while they'll just leave the country since they are highly mobile.

I'm not a multi millionaire, I'm upper middle class but even I am going to leave the US if Hillary wins due to her capital gains tax plan on top of the already ridiculously high taxes. Plus, the 1% are far better at avoiding taxes than the the rest of society.

I'm willing to bet if Trump disclosed his taxes you'd find that he pays little to no taxes (in terms of percentage compared to say an single office worker like myself who pays 37.4% 'luxury tax' on five figures of commission every quarter) - as is very common in the real estate and construction industry because of depreciation write offs among many other things.

Reagan wasn't perfect - but he did a lot of good... a marginal tax rate of 70% tax for the 1% and nearly half for people making $50k a year in 1980 was ludicrous - even Sweden doesn't charge that much. He decreased government regulation, strengthened the military, increased GDP per worker, reduced inflation by almost 9% by the end of his presidency, and took some power away from the Fed in terms of money supply control. Also, the amount of people that made over $70k a year went up 5% under Reagan - that's a lot of money in 1980 and a big increase in terms of amount of upper middle class people in the US. Plus, his policies lifted a lot of people out of poverty. When people say that he drastically cut taxes - it's only partially true - he cut a lot of taxes but also raised others. In the end though, taxes for the middle class, upper middle class, and the 1% went down drastically.

He decreased federal income taxes, capital gains, and corporate rates but at the same time enacted payroll taxes on social security and medicare.

I too wouldn't mind paying those high taxes if I knew the money was going to some good!

Same, but alas in most cases they are not. The majority of our tax dollar goes to supporting people on welfare and social service programs like social security which will surely be bankrupt by the time I'm able to use it. Plus, it doesn't pay out much anyway. I guess you could live decent off social security if you move to some LATAM country or maybe even Poland and just live of US social security and perhaps some investments.

That's where little Sweden had and probably still has "gloating rights" over us, since their unbearably high taxes (from our perspective) go into one of Europe's, indeed one of the world's, most efficient infrastructures!

That their politics has moved just a tad too far to the right for many tastes, is only coincidental:-)

BBC Documentary - Last Whites of East End. The sad reality of Western Europe

youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ-D9atKl7Q

I remember one statistic stating that Muslims account for half of grade school students in The Netherlands.

By 2044-2045, whites will be less than half of the US population according to current trends. This may happen sooner if there is more illegal immigration and if the Dems bring in more HIV infected people, Somalis, Syrians, etc.

Some other stats:

There were 1.6 billion Muslims in the world as of 2010 - roughly 23% of the global population. That number has because each Muslim woman has an average of 3.1 children, significantly above the next-highest group (Christians at 2.7) and the average of all non-Muslims (2.3). In all major regions where there is a sizable Muslim population, Muslim fertility exceeds non-Muslim fertility.

Within 40 years, Muslims are expected to be 30% of the world's population. Add that with the enormous Chinese population and you're at the point where 1/2 the people in the world are either Muslim or Chinese. By 2050, Muslims will be nearly as numerous as Christians. By contrast, between 2010 and 2050, Christianity is projected to have a net loss of more than 60 million adherents worldwide through religious switching.

Here's an example of an individual country case - while there were roughly equal numbers of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria as of 2010, Muslims have higher fertility there and are expected to grow to a solid majority of Nigeria's population (58.5%) in 2050.

In some areas in Western Europe, like Molenbeek, Marseilles, Paris suburbs - the Muslim populations are growing much faster then the local white population. One day, Muslims will be the majority, 51% of citizens, in some countries - it's simply just a matter of time as their birth rates are much higher and there's more and more coming in everyday. As I write this right now, there's hundreds, if not a thousand, Muslims crossing into Europe to take advantage of the generous welfare system - at the cost of the hard working tax payers which have created this system and have put money into for decades - just so it can be used to support migrants which haven't paid into the system at all!!! The liberals argue that these Muslims will work and contribute into the social safety net and pay for peoples' retirements. That could happen if two things occured - 1, If Muslims actually worked and not simply leeched off welfare. Working to them is selling t-shirts or beers on the beach. 2. If Muslims actually paid income taxes - see 1. for more info on why they don't pay taxes.

^ Scary stuff. The irony in all this is those that celebrate if not even preach opening our gates (leftists) are too gullible to realize these newcomers will not accept their progressive "values".

If the Muslims were willing to live in peace with their neighbors and "submit" (as the name "Islam" signifies in Arabic) to the local majority culture while overtaking the host population, I suppose people wouldn't be so up in arms. However, the people who brought you 9/11 must realize their place as well as the outside perception of them, in the greater society. If Muslims take up residence in non-Muslim lands, to paraphrase, "When in Mecca, do as the Muslims do!"

Muslims must therefore learn to adopt to their new environment and not expect the country which has given them harbor to necessarily learn THEIR language and submit to THEIR faith!! It's that simple. Why should they behave any differently from any other immigrant group which over the centuries has had to make their way on foreign soil?

It is this double standard we cannot tolerate!

Because they're socialized to believe that they are qualitatively better than others (by reason of their religion). That's why.

Multiculturalism really only works when there are no serious disagreements about basic issues. The indigenous populations of western Europe have no serious ideological differences anymore and they're arrogant to believe that means that all ideological differences have disappeared. But they haven't and they have a way of resurfacing as much as some try to pretend that's the case.

Multiculturalism at most means extraordinarily superficial relationships across groups are possible (the guy I get kebabs from is great!) but avoiding all sorts of topics like the proper role of religion in government, the relationship between the sexes in public, cross-religious marriages etc.

So it appears that a bunch of migrants in Calais went ape... of course injuring innocent aid workers that were trying to help them in the process as well as damaging police cars, property, and committing arson...

But remember... this is the religion of peace afterall.. last time i checked stabbings, arson, and rape aren't peaceful activities

Go ahead and bring more of these scumbags in...

express.co.uk/news/world/674360/Calais-Jungle-mass-brawl-stabbings-migrant-crisis-France-Europe-UK-Britain

You're crazy if you want scenes like this in Poland - and if you, then please do us all a favor and leave...

I am so sick of the EU and people who have a disdain for Poland continually saying waaah Poland isn't taking in it's fair share and getting their panties in a twist...

These people need to do some research and check the facts - Poland has accepted well over 500k Ukranians (official number) while the actual number is thought to be closer to 1 million. A significant portion of these people are from the war ravaged east. In addition to that, we have take in thousands of Chechens. Do these people not count as people escaping war and poverty? They're certainly migrants at the very least...

I don't know why PiS doesn't stress that when the EU tells them to take migrants in - they can easily say that they've already taken in a ton - if you're count the Ukranians from the war ravaged east and the Chechens - that number is well over the couple thousand that the EU is demanding. In fact, the number of refugees from Ukraine and Poland, relative to Poland's population, would actually put it on par with Germany.

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Mafketis, if what you contend is the truth, then the Muslim invasion is even more of a threat to the Occident than heretofore suspected!

A dangerous bunch indeed whose presence MUST be contained, indeed deported, if nothing else.

Lest one aka the PEGIDA return to Hitlerian methods, the EU ought to take steps to make Muslims want to return to their homeland though economic sanctions, such as persuasion through tax deficits etc.

Well most muslims aren't like that and the more highly educated secular oriented are mostly wonderful people and an asset to the societies that they are in. But muslims with less social capital do seem to have a higher percentage of religious supremacists and pychos who use religion as an excuse to be violent so large scale migration is going to be a problem.

Large scale immigration by muslims is desired by European elites since they don't integrate in large numbers* and therefore they lessen overall social cohesion (and job number one of European social policy is to dilute ethnic homogeneity and replace it with multi-kulti low grade group-based hostilities.

*religious reasons mean they don't want to spend time around Europeans unless the Europeans conform to muslim norms while muslims are around

Let's hope you're correct.

That's what Israel does - they offer African migrants that are in the Holot detention facility around $3,000 cash to leave(a lot of money for an African - considering many African countries have an average GDP per capita of around $1k) as well as a plane ticket to a 3rd country - usually Kenya, Uganda, or another safe country. This has been pretty successful as the migrants staying in Holot eventually get sick of being in the middle of nowhere with their only job prospects being digging ditches for $40 a week.

Of course, no country criticizes Israel for basically bribing Africans to leave and refusing to grant their asylum applications... No - you can NEVER criticize Israel for ANYTHING. This is the only country that has murdered US servicemen (USS liberty) and US citizens (Lavon affair) as well as French scientists (Operation Opera) and they don't even get a slap on the wrist! No investigations, no sanctions, nothing. So of course countries aren't going to condemn Israel for using Africans as slave labor then once the Africans can't take the work anymore bribing them to leave.


True. The issue is that the majority of the migrants that are coming in are the type with little money, little to no skills, and the majority of Muslims in countries like Egypt, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. support Sharia and sympathize with terrorist organization (source: Pew Research Center). How can a person succeed in the west when they pray 5 times a day, have like 7 kids who they can barely feed (hence it becomes the taxpayers and state's responsibility) and their only skill involves selling t shirts. Look at even the pictures I posted above - these rampaging Afghanis and Sudanese are the types of migrants that multi kulti people are welcoming into the country. Even after they injure aid workers, who are trying to help these migrants, as well as rape women and injure police officers these multi kulti types still support these violent supremacist migrants.

What will it take for a multi kulti liberal to put down their 'Refugees Welcome' signs?Clearly it's not the rape of their women, destruction of their culture, desecration of centuries old churches, draining of tax funds, numerous massacres, Sharia zones being established (Special Urban Zones). What will it take for people to finally wake up? Rape and murder clearly haven't swayed their opinions...

Arabs by nature are not use to productive type of work - building roads, inventing new machines, advancing the fields of science, etc. Even the oil drilling technology and much of the engineers they employ are foreign.The only thing most Arabs know how to do is buy and sell- that's why the majority even the wealthier assimilated Arab immigrants are shopkeeps, hotel owners, gas station owners, liquor store owners, t shirt store owners, etc. The less wealthy go around beaches selling individual beers to tourists or some trinkets. When's the last time you heard of say a new cancer treatment or a new automotive technology or a computer company coming from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, etc.? Even the wealthy Saudi countries use western companies that hire Indians, N. Koreans and people from other poor countries to build their skyscrapers and roads - that's because Saudis are inept at doing it themselves. The company like Bin Laden Group might be the largest construction company but you'll find that the people doing the actual building aren't Saudis or Arabs but rather East Asians, Indians, etc. The Saudis trade oil for everything because that's the only way they can compete in the global economy.


Divide and conquer strategy. Plus, through the attacks the elites are able to more closely monitor ALL citizens claiming it's for our safety but really it's to use tax dollars to further spying programs, sign new defense contracts, further bloat government anti-terror institutions, and militarize the police force. These terror attacks and massacres that occurred in Europe are the best things to happen for government officials keen on furthering spying programs and restricting everyones' civil liberties as well as security and defense contractors who will gain more and more business - kicking back a few dollars to the government officials calling for increased security

Africans aka Falashas from Ethiopia who come to Israel as "brother" and "fellow Jews", citing Biblical reference in order justify themselves are belonging to the Israelites of old, i.e. the Jews, are a different story all together from Muslims who've cleverly infiltrated into Northwest European society in order to establish ISIS headquarters, blow up buildings, murder civilians in cold blood and spread the cancer of jihadist militarism!!

Many of those Africans are often nothing more than good old-fashioned moochers, not too unlike the so-called "Wolgadeutschen" during and shortly after WWII, who came to Germany requesting financial reinstatement as fellow Aryans whose German ancestors had been forced from the Fatherland centuries earlier by the Czars, many of whom spoke as much German upon arrival as the Falashas did Hebrew, or even English:-)

Sorry, Adrian! The analogy is WAYYYYY off base; the Africans mean the Israelis no harm, as they are neither Arabs or terrorists. The Muslims in Europe though, even the highly educated and assimilated, must nonetheless be monitored under constant surveillance.

That's a laugh! Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other country in the world. There are newspapers all over the world that continuously criticize Israel. Criticizing us is a national sport on US college campuses.


The Africans that came to Israel came were smuggled in illegally by Beduin smugglers in Sinai. Israel did not bring them in. What's wrong with paying them to leave? And meanwhile, many of them are still here, working in Tel Aviv, Eilat and other cities where thay are payed for there work. There is no slave labor here. You must have been thinking of the Arab Gulf states.


You're confusing two very different things: On the one hand, there are African illegals who sneak in from Egypt and look for work. They are mostly from Eritrea and Sudan. Those are the ones I was talking about. On the other hand there are Ethiopian Jews who were brought in by the Israeli government as immigrants and given the same assistance that the government gives other legal immigrants. They've been coming wince the 1980s and there's already a second and third generation of Israelis of Ethiopian background.

You're right, Yehudi! I've been guilty of conflating two separate 'African' groups:-) So as not to conflate/confuse even further, I should have made a distinction in my analogy before between "Wolgadeutschen" and "Heim ins Reich Kinder" or ethnic Germans BORN in far-flung once German-controlled lands, yet German-speaking and what's more INVITED back to Germany by Hitler!!!

That's one hell of a difference now, isn't it?

The J's Zionists and Marxists are very stubborn and cynical people.

I suggest Israel accept diversity. Ten million Arabs and Africans would be a nice mixture to their state.
If any of those resolutions were taken seriously, the Js wouldnt be getting support from US/EU/Russia and so on.

Accept diversity? She already does and has since the Russians landed on their shores a generation or so ago, making life difficult for everybody, much as elsewhere in the world such as Berlin and above all, New York with their ever-growing (OVERgrown) Bukharan community:-)