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Starting to get resentful and feel like I am destined to fail.



Wroclaw Boy
28 Jul 2012  #31

Emigrating to the USA is basically impossible and a massive gamble.

Its not at all impossible and a bigger gamble than Poland? get real man.

Its spot on advice, he's welcome to ignore it.

OK so he has a qualification and your advising him to back to uni and get another one? get real man

If he desires a career in media strong enough he'll get it, period. Besides a large percentage of graduates end up in fields not associated to their qualifications.

peterweg
28 Jul 2012  #32

He already speaks English. This is the type we want over here.

Yeah, but my understanding is that immigrants are not wanted and getting the permanent right to work is impossible.

PlasticPole
28 Jul 2012  #33

It just depends on who is immigrating. It's hard for Al Qaeda to immigrate.

peterweg
28 Jul 2012  #34

Its not at all impossible and a bigger gamble than Poland? get real man.

What are you smoking, I never mention Poland.

Besides a large percentage of graduates end up in fields not associated to their qualifications.

I'm sure he's fully aware, unlike you, that at any time there are more students studying media studies in the UK than are employed in the entire UK media industry. The probability is that he has a 10% chance of finding a job in journalism, difficult to get into and even worse now with the Internet screwing up the industry.

Maybe you should 'get real'. Media studies is the best route to unemployment.

Another thing, read his post, he is still studying and using this to fund his studies. Switching courses now would save any more wasted time and money.

RevokeNice
28 Jul 2012  #35

It just depends on who is immigrating. It's hard for Al Qaeda to immigrate.

For europeans....

Unless you are highly skilled in the tech sector, married a Yank or have a green card/investment visa. You aint getting into the US.

90% of immigrants into the US are from the developing world. You dont want europeans anymore. Which is why America will eventually turn into a third world country.

PlasticPole
28 Jul 2012  #36

RevokeNice, we don't want developing world immigrants. They keep coming illegally.

WielkiPolak
28 Jul 2012  #37

I am not changing any course. Some people study what they think is going to make them the most money, like law, a lot of people go in to that although I have one friend who finished law and is currently on benefits. I am interested in journalism and am studying it because it interests me. If it does not get me a job then hey. Anyway journalism is very loose. You can be journalists to, you do not need a degree, a journalism degree allows me to practice doing what I would like to do in life and also get a bit more insight in to the business. I do not want to be one of those media types who sits in a TV studio in front of a camera and reads the news, I want to go to places and write about stuff that matters to me. As well as this I am also doing sports coaching on Saturdays [have done my level 1 course and am soon to be starting level 2]. This could lead to some jobs, even if just a few days during the week. As well as this I mentioned that I was volunteering in a charity shop for a while when I had some free time. I met a lot of very nice people, in particular my manager Alice, lovely lady. What I am talking about right now is just some job that earns me a bit of money while I study and it is far more difficult than I thought. I would not mind even being in a fast food place or supermarket, I am not the type of student that is like 'this jobs sucks man.' As Louis CK would say 'Yeah that's why we gave it to you.' Even so after numerous applications and rejections for vacancies in fast food restaurants and supermarkets, one gets a little frustrated, looking around and seeing that people who are only in this country a short time managed to get a job, and I cannot get one. I dunno it might be me, I might not be trying enough or perhaps I am not doing it right, but I know I am trying and I am doing something.

PlasticPole
28 Jul 2012  #38

You can always blog.

polishmama
29 Jul 2012  #39

You could blog and use that as a sort of "writer's resume". Blogging doesn't typically pay well though, if at all. I'd say you need about 2,000 unique visits a day to really make it by itself pay a minimal living for you. Most people use blogs as more of a platform, rather than it by itself as a source of income.

Wroclaw Boy
29 Jul 2012  #40

What are you smoking, I never mention Poland.

You came to Poland idiot and therefore took a gamble yet you commented - "going to America was a massive gamble". My point is Poland is a bigger gamble.. Jeeze your stupid weg. All the degrees in the world cant make somebody smart hey?

InWroclaw
29 Jul 2012  #41

there are more students studying media studies in the UK than are employed in the entire UK media industry. ... journalism, difficult to get into and even worse now with the Internet screwing up the industry.

All true,

do not want to be one of those media types who sits in a TV studio in front of a camera and reads the news,

They get to do reports from the field too, don't worry about that. You start doing local reports in the field and progress to reading the news in the studio for most networks AFAIK.

You need a lot of tenacity to be a reporter and the first test of that is getting a job as one. Keep at it, although sounds as if you might prefer something in sports, even sports reporting.

RevokeNice
29 Jul 2012  #42

RevokeNice, we don't want developing world immigrants. They keep coming illegally.

Since that poxhead Ted Kennedy passed his immigration bill 85-90% of all immigrants going to the US have been from developing nations.

You might want them, but those in power evidently do.

FFS a Pole has to jump through hoops just to get a holiday visa!

You would want to see the sheer level of paperwork and background checks a European has to go through to get a green card. Never mind the cost. If I didnt make a promise I would have politely told them to fooook off.

Wroclaw Boy
29 Jul 2012  #43

FFS a Pole has to jump through hoops just to get a holiday visa!

My wife (Polish) got a B2 visa no problem, valid for 10 years, hell she has more entitlement to visit than i do. 6 months a year, any year for the duration of the visa. A filled out form an interview at the US Embassy in London and job done in about 7 days.

You would want to see the sheer level of paperwork and background checks a European has to go through to get a green card

Green card's are an issue but business visas are a relatively straight forward process, i know hundreds of Brits that have them and they lead to green cards......if you want it.

WielkiPolak
29 Jul 2012  #44

Keep at it, although sounds as if you might prefer something in sports, even sports reporting.

I am interested in sport but I find it difficult to write about it. I either want to be involved in it in some way [probably coaching since it is a bit late to be a pro] or not involved. I find it difficult to watch from the sidelines, not be involved and just write about it.

I was once told that sport and many other journalistic topics are overflown with people who write on those particular subjects. The best way to break in to journalism at some decent level is to write about a niche topic that is hardly every reported on or written about. It is difficult to find one of those that interest me though.

I also want to make a comment on benefits in this country. That comment is, I can understand why people would go on them. I am not sure how it is in Poland [I heard that you can get 'zasiłki' for some time but it is supposed to be very little and only for a limited time, I might be wrong.] or in the USA. In Britain I know a lot of people just use it to do nothing but think about it. A lot of the people who are often not quite as skilled as others, have the choice of doing a crap job with very little pay where they get treated badly and given the worst stuff to do, or do absolutely nothing and get a similar amount [particularly if they have a family]. What would you choose with that sort of an option? I know many people would rather do something than nothing but I also know some people cannot stand their job so much and only keep going for the money that they need. Not only that but what if you try, try and try again and cannot get any job? Why feel guilty about benefits? You have to live right? I am not on benefits [I cannot be since I am a student] but my previously very, and I mean, very negative opinion of benefits, is not so bad now. I know some people still take the piss and do not want to ever find work, but others have no choice or just want to keep some dignity. They would rather stay on the benefits until they get a better job than be treated like snot at Burger King or somewhere else, working with [usually young] idiots who mess about in the back.

Wroclaw Boy
29 Jul 2012  #45

are you prepared to sensationalize stories and even bend the truth a little bit in order to get paid knowing full well what ramifications your stories may have?

Once youre in, youre in and you'll do what needs to be done to get paid, because you have a mortgage to pay and children to feed, i don't think that's a career you want to be part of.

Journalists get paid for stories that sell................you want to be part of that? Its not that different to advertising.

jasondmzk
29 Jul 2012  #46

Journalists get paid for stories that sell.

And what sells is whatever the market is currently demanding, which, sometimes, means raw information. My father-in-law wasn't spoon-feeding people or cranking out purple prose when he was a journalist during Solidarność, in fact he was jailed for it. Now he, and some of the other reporters he was imprisoned with, are some of the most powerful media moguls and personalities in Europe. A work ethic and a good angle go a long ways, but sometimes it just comes down to balls and luck.

Wroclaw Boy
29 Jul 2012  #47

And what sells is whatever the market is currently demanding, which, sometimes, means raw information.

I was hoping that Wielki Polak would come back with some kind of "i only intend to publish real humankind beneficial speech" and im sure he will. Regardless it doesn't pay the bills. Crap pays the bills. You need to shock these days, shocks pay the bills.

InWroclaw
29 Jul 2012  #48

FFS a Pole has to jump through hoops just to get a holiday visa!

I'm a Briton, not a Pole, but am surprised to read that. I got my ESTA in seconds when I applied online 2 years ago. It's expired now but it was very quick and then it was free.

peterweg
29 Jul 2012  #49

You came to Poland idiot and therefore took a gamble yet you commented - "going to America was a massive gamble". My point is Poland is a bigger gamble.. Jeeze your stupid weg. All the degrees in the world cant make somebody smart hey?

Its a gamble because you don't have the right to work or abode in America. You can be deported for committing a trivial crime. Even if you get a work permit its time limited and you have no guarantee you will get citizen ship.

Whereas in the EU you have complete freedom or movement, the right to work and settle.

Stupid eh?

Meathead
30 Jul 2012  #50

It's like this guys, I am not advocating a green card. What I am proposing is getting educated in the States, that's a big difference. There's about about a thousand or more universities in the States all well funded. They all have quotas for international students. I gave him websites for two (TX and ND). From the website it doesn't look like Texas is too anxious for Internationals (their quota may be full) but UND may be in a different situation (they look like they're making a harder sell). There are a lot others. At this time due to the economy I'd stick with the states that are doing well which is the center of the country due to ag and oil (Texas north to the Dakotas east to Iowa and Illinois). Wiekipole, what you do (if you want) find a Uni on the web, apply, get accepted than go to Embassy and get student Visa. Show up at Uni and plead poverty, they may get you a grant, scholarship or loan or combination or at the very least they'll get you on a work study program (a job to help pay for school). It's doable with some luck. At the least you'll have to come back, big deal, nothing ventured nothing gained. And yes, major in a subject in which you enjoy. School isn't just about getting a job sometimes it's acquiring knowledge so that you can teach yourself anything.

here wiekipole try this: utexas.edu/world/univ/state

delphiandomine
31 Jul 2012  #51

I am not sure about hassling fast food joints until I get a job there. It might sound arrogant but I feel better than those places. I sort of feel a little like a black woman, I want more R E S P E C T even though I have probably not done much to earn it.

What makes you too good for fast food?

I did a summer in one. Absolute nightmare - rude customers, morons working in the kitchen and management (well, all but one) that could only think about procedures and rules.

But it opened many doors afterwards - I used to speak at job interviews about how it was character building. Many employers are impressed by someone who is able to keep going in a dreadful environment, after all.

teflcat
31 Jul 2012  #52

character building

I have to agree, and I'm sure you weren't just telling the interviewer what they wanted to hear.
As a student I waited table, cleaned toilets, did night shifts in factories, broke my back on farms, served drunks beer, and a lot else besides. It was crap at the time but it made me the hero I am now. WP. Students can't afford pride. Your day will come; just keep trying.

delphiandomine
31 Jul 2012  #53

It was crap at the time but it made me the hero I am now.

I think of my job now as a reward for doing all the crap jobs back then, to be honest ;)

Mind you, I also caused as much trouble as possible when working in aforementioned fast food place - I had a commitment to diabolical customer service ;)

InWroclaw
31 Jul 2012  #54

Many employers are impressed by someone who is able to keep going in a dreadful environment, after all.

In that case, employers should be queueing up to employ me here in Polska. Sadly, nie.

Harry
31 Jul 2012  #55

As a student I waited table, cleaned toilets, did night shifts in factories, broke my back on farms, served drunks beer, and a lot else besides.

Same here. Employers don't want staff who will say "I'm too good to do [whatever]."; they want people who will say "That needs doing and there is nobody better placed than me to do it so I will do it."

One might very well be able to do a better job than cleaning toilets, but then so can 99% of the people who do clean toilets.

delphiandomine
31 Jul 2012  #56

Same here. Employers don't want staff who will say "I'm too good to do [whatever]."; they want people who will say "That needs doing and there is nobody better placed than me to do it so I will do it."

Indeed. Which is why I'm sitting here fighting with a bastarding spreadsheet that I don't understand because I thought I was better than I am at Excel :(


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