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US: Time to Quit as the World Dumbest Cop


Rich Mazur
18 Jun 2018  #1

Unless the US changes its spending habits, it will destroy itself without a shot being fired by its enemies. Time is not on our side, Trump or no Trump. Americans got used to the idea that their resources are unlimited. This and the uniquely American messiah complex are a deadly combination leading to a financial ruin. The deficit of a trillion during peacetime cannot be justified or sustained. The US military budget being close to 40% of all military budgets combined is a simple proof that there is something terribly wrong with the way this place is governed.

The first step to fiscal sanity is exactly the opposite of what Trump wants: a major reduction in the DoD budget by abrogating all the very unmutual "mutual defense" treaties. Only a fool would expect Japan, Korea, Australia, and Europe to actually defend the US from China and Russia - the two countries we consider adversarial, if not hostile. Our military obligations far exceed what we can deliver.

Protecting Japan and Korea while sending boatloads of cash to China is pure insanity. If China is our "trading partner", then Japan and South Korea have nothing to fear, just as South Korea has no reason to fear Japan anymore.

Europe, beside having two nuclear powers, is rich enough to fend for itself. NATO should be dissolved and the US army returned home. EU, instead of annoying Poland and Hungary, should take pride in being self-reliant and independent of the crude, gun and bible clutching cowboys that used to come to bring order to the mess Europe created in the past.

Although not large, ending the 50-billion-per-year giveaway program known as foreign aid would be also be a step in the right direction. That ATM should have been shut down long time ago according to the simple rule that you can't give what you don't have.
dolnoslask
18 Jun 2018  #2

Unless the US changes its spending habits, it will destroy itself without a shot being fired by its enemies

Ha Ha America can default on all its debts, tell every other country that it owes money to get stuffed, and there is nothing that they could do about it.

God bless america and its military power Oorah.
johnny reb
18 Jun 2018  #3

I thought this was a Polish forum.
I don't know where he comes up with this stuff but it certainly doesn't have much to do with Poland.
If the mods can't see where this thread is going from the get go I will be happy to tell them where it will end up.
dolnoslask
18 Jun 2018  #4

I don't know where he comes up with this stuff

Well when i lived in Texas they would say "He pulled it out of his Ass"
Lyzko
18 Jun 2018  #5

America has long seen herself as "policeman to the world", going way aways back to the Boxer Rebellion, round about 1904. This arrogance is nothing new.

Recalls the lines of "We're The Cops of the World" by the late Phil Ochs. "...so like it or not you will have to be free".

Sure, the world owes a lot to the United States. But it works in reverse as well. Where would our Space Program be without the indispensable spade work laid more than fifty-five plus years ago by Hubertus Strughold ("Strugi"), Arthur Rudolf or, of course, Wernher von Braun? America owed much to both German as well as (reluctantly too, I might add) Japanese engineering! :-)
johnny reb
18 Jun 2018  #6

Just more provoking hate of Americans like he has done here for years.
Any decent Mod would delete this thread before it even got started and give him a warning for BAITING.
dolnoslask
18 Jun 2018  #7

But it works in reverse as well.

Yeah you pay all the bills and the rest of the world ***** on you, maybe trump is right America first.
Lyzko
18 Jun 2018  #8

Can't delete the truth, buddy boy, 'cuz it'll always come back to bite ya.
Rich Mazur
18 Jun 2018  #9

I thought this was a Polish forum.

If you scroll up, you will see that Home/USA,Canada.

I just googled it and found out that "USA" stands for United States of America, I think.

Feeling better now?
Rich Mazur
18 Jun 2018  #10

Well when i lived in Texas they would say "He pulled it out of his Ass"

We don't capitalize "ass". Obama - yes, but not "ass".
johnny reb
18 Jun 2018  #11

I will be happy to tell them where it will end up.

I already made my point now haven't I. lol
Has anyone posted on topic yet ?
Carry on to spew your hate for America which has nothing to do with Poland or the Polish people.
dolnoslask
18 Jun 2018  #12

We don't capitalize "ass

You really are pointing to your real self not some poor migrant that left Poland on a train waving goodbye.

I can only suggest you read the one and only pm I sent you four months ago.
Rich Mazur
18 Jun 2018  #13

America owed much to both German as well as (reluctantly too, I might add) Japanese engineering! :-)

What "America" owed them, "America" paid them. We are even.

A couple of guys being paid salaries does not equal the trillions we have spent, and continue spending, protecting and policing the world.
Lyzko
19 Jun 2018  #14

Yet this further begs the question why America of all places should tout herself cops of the world! With our inferior state of affairs and often poor infrastructure, third-world basic healthcare (save for the mega rich), seems to me we Americans could stand a bit of policing from Washington itself, instead telling others abroad how to lead their lives:-) Who are we anyway to hold ourselves up as the paragons of virtue? WWII has been over for over seventy years, our reputation thereafter was forever sullied by Vietnam, so let's move on already and quit resting on our laurels. The New Deal is practically dead and who pray's gonna be brave enough to write its post mortem?
Rich Mazur
19 Jun 2018  #15

Yet this further begs the question why America of all places should tout herself cops of the world!

Exactly my way of seeing things. When the US is trying to teach Poland about "democracy" or "capitalism", I am torn between laughing and crying.
johnny reb
19 Jun 2018  #16

why America of all places should tout herself cops of the world!

No doubt a thankless job until all hell breaks loose and then the tune changes.
I'm with Trump, let the EU start spending some money to defend themselves.
Rich Mazur
19 Jun 2018  #17

Not good enough. Trump should pull out of NATO and other defense threaties just as he did with TPP, global bs in Paris, and the Iran deal.

Then take requests. EU wants US protection? Fine. This is the invoice - cost plus profit. The same with our Asian military welfare queens, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.
TheOther
19 Jun 2018  #18

military welfare queens

Let's look at that from another perspective:

US forces total: 1.3 million
US military budget total: $650 billion
US forces stationed in Europe and contributing to NATO: 65,000 (some sources say 45,000)

On that basis, what proportion of its GDP does America actually contribute to NATO and to the direct defense of its members?
johnny reb
19 Jun 2018  #19

There wouldn't have to be any forces stationed in Europe because the nuclear subs that we have hiding have enough fire power to level any threat in the world.
Crow
19 Jun 2018  #20

America can default on all its debts, tell every other country that it owes money to get stuffed, and there is nothing that they could do about it.

How then you explaining emergence of Multi-Polar world and ending of US and western European domination and control? You think US accepting to share control just due to pure altruism?
Rich Mazur
19 Jun 2018  #21

On that basis, what proportion of its GDP does America actually contribute to NATO and to the direct defense of its members?

America should contribute to NATO exactly zero.

America does not need Europe to defend America. Europe needs America to defend Europe. We don't know against whom but that's what they say.

Anyway, Europe should pay America all the expenses to stand guard for Europe and a reasonable profit, or mark-up, if you prefer. Say, 50%. Would that be reasonable?

The American troops in Europe is not the actual military force that matters. They are just for show and as a trip wire, just like in Korea. Just imaging 3 million Russians vs 65,000 American gays and girls playing soldiers. I hope you are giggling already.

Ooop, sorry, I forgot the French and the Italians.
Ironside
19 Jun 2018  #22

America does not need Europe to defend America.

American needs Eastern Europe if they are to remain the first world power. I assume they want it because it makes sense. The world where America would be one of three or four or five world's powers it would have economical averse effect on the US economy.

A key country in Eastern Europe is Poland. Its a pity that Polish gov is not able to remind yanks about that fact. A beggar position is not a good starting point in negotiations.

Europe should pay America all the expenses

hmm, buying American weapons for rather big money its the way its works.

Except for Israel where American taxpayer is paying a lot to for nothing. Funny you have no issue with it.
Rich Mazur
19 Jun 2018  #23

American needs American needs Eastern Europe if they are to remain the first world power.

That little "if" is critical. There is nothing in the US Constitution that allows the US feds to collect taxes "to remain the first world power". That line is from Reader's Digest. The rest is corruption and the corporate profits.

"American needs Eastern Europe" how? If America needs Eastern Europe, does it mean America owes Eastern Europe something just for being Eastern Europe?

How would leaving NATO make America less than "first world power"?

Buying American weapons is a matter of private profits. The US army is supported by all of us, the taxpayers. Weapon sellers are a tiny part of it.
Ironside
19 Jun 2018  #24

f America needs Eastern Europe, does it mean America owes Eastern Europe something just for being Eastern Europe?

Not a thing. As Eastern Europe doesn't owes America a thing. They have some interests that could be align or not.

There is nothing in the US Constitution that allows the US feds to collect taxes "to remain the first world power".

There is a lot that is not in the US Constitution.

Buying American weapons is a matter of private profits.

lol! you know nothing jon snow.

By the way I'm not talking about NATO that is a question of tactical and political expedience.
TheOther
19 Jun 2018  #25

America does not need Europe to defend America.

So why are American troops still stationed in Europe, Asia and Australia then? Must be very profitable for some people, or we wouldn't do it. What was that once again that President Eisenhower mentioned in his farewell address?
Rich Mazur
19 Jun 2018  #26

If you are being cynical, I am with you. Cynicism is the only thing left to us to keep our heads from exploding.

US econ 101: profits are private, risks and expenses - public. How can one not be impressed by that scam?
Lyzko
20 Jun 2018  #27

Eastern Europe doesn't owe the US a thing, Ironside??! Are you high or what!

Whaddya call "Mr, Gorbachov, tear down this wall!!"?? If it weren't for Reagan giving the initial push to Messrs. Kohl and Genscher to finally persuade the Soviets to loosen control and open the borders, where would Europe (and I include PolandLOL) be today?
kaprys
20 Jun 2018  #28

If it hadn't been for the countries involved in the Yalta Conference (and that includes the US) there wouldn't have been the Berlin Wall or the Cold War.
TheOther
20 Jun 2018  #29

If it weren't for Reagan

The only thing that Reagan did was to outspend the Soviets with his military budget and then bankrupting them. Truth is, without the brave demonstrators in Poland, Hungary and East Germany, and without Gorbachev and the Soviet generals tolerating the development, nothing would have ever happened. America bringing down the Wall is essentially the same as "The USA liberated Europe in WW2". Propaganda.
Lyzko
20 Jun 2018  #30

Don't buy the last piece of bilge either, yet Reagan WAS a sort of catalyst, even if Genscher and especially Kohl, were the grey eminences behind the collapse of Communism.

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