Warning: Beware travelling to the E.U.

"US citizens and other non-EU nationals who enter Europe will be asked to have their faces image-captured and fingerprints scanned upon arrival at a half-dozen major airports."

euobserver.com/justice/127719

Not very welcoming, to be treated as a prisoner.

These "pilot programs" always begin as "voluntary". It's a test measure called patient gradualism, engineered to acclimatize a populace into being comfortable with relinquishing freedom, information or otherwise. This is part of a much larger push, as admitted to by those who have come forward in the intelligence community (William Binney for one). Even though it's voluntary, they will undoubtedly use peer pressure or intimidation to get you cataloged and databased. Don't let them.

I would recommend sending a message loud and clear to the architects of this continual push for interference in and control of peoples lives by refusing outright. I will and am going to.

Tell all to refuse. Ask who is responsible for these dragnet proposals (names, titles, salaries). Contact them afterwards and give them hell.

LOL! What planet are you living on, Nanook? The USA has been doing this for I don't how many years already. Sometimes even their own citizens get finger-printed and mug-shot. And no, it's not voluntary...

Amen. The US after 9/11 wanted seriously to attempt the implant of a microchip inside the bodies of US citizens to track or monitor our movements!!!

Needless to say though, the idea died in the water:-)

Nonetheless, what you're railing against, Slavictor, has been around for a LONG while now.

@TheOther

I have been aware of things like this since 1996, and the plans for cataloging every human biometrically began long before then.

If you read the article, the EU intends it as a voluntary measure for travellers at first (we all know it will be required at gunpoint soon enough however). So, yes, it is currently voluntary in respect to the article I referenced. I am suggesting if anyone here travelling to EU has any gonads, resist giving up your prints and anything else they want to prod you with. Say no because you still can.

Secondly, there is no law in the USA which states a citizen has to scan for anything. It's when people apply for some kind of government benefit or ID that they require you do so as a condition of the benefit.

Thirdly, the above mentioned situation in the USA seems destined to inevitably change. It is now a defacto police state to be avoided. I don't travel there anymore. I try to avoid flying over it if possible and want nothing to do with it. The psychopaths who run it are a poison to this world.

Anyone with means or ability should leave the USA immediately before they lock it down and make exit far too difficult. I am making preparations to leave the West as well.

Many Americans are doing just that (i.e. new applications for abandoning U.S. citizenship which have been filed by it's citizens have spiked in the last two years). They prefer to watch America implode from a distant foreign country, on TV.

Lastly, I started this thread simply to notify those travelling to the EU that they may be asked to scan and when asked you can tell the apes, politely, to go scan themselves.

Don't know if there is a law for that or not, but I travel on a regular basis and see this almost every time when I come home.


And if it's signed into law? Stop traveling to Europe as well? You will be running out of options very quickly.


The whole world changes, and not for the better if you ask me. "Police state" is totally exaggerated. I'd rather live in the US than in Europe for example, even though I know both sides of the pond and then some.

@TheOther

"And if it's signed into law? Stop traveling to Europe as well? You will be running out of options very quickly."

Options in a prison are always limited.

" "Police state" is totally exaggerated. I'd rather live in the US"

That's your choice.

The President can order the execution of any American citizen (aka 'Hit Lists'), and any American can be abducted by the government and disappear indefinetely (i.e. Indefinite Detention). Both these acts can occur without trial or charge, just suspicion. Every day innocent Americans are being tortured, maimed and killed by cops. ALL electronic communication is monitored and recorded. These are facts, not rhetoric.

The police state might not be as overt as life under Pinochet in Chile, but it is there, more pervasive and will continue to expand. It won't be getting any better that is for certain. But, on the bright side, Rome did collapse.

Many Americans (Romans) are leaving, as mentioned before.

TheOther, I would like to continue this conversation with you, but we shouldn't waste our time. Nothing of this nature ever gets solved in internet forums. I posted it for all to consider and you have. You have decided that you choose the USA and that is your right. I choose not to and entertain input from others who think the same.

paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/30/police-state-upon-us-paul-craig-roberts/