Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

@GefreiterKania

I am able to access RT and Sputnik. You still having problems?

Yip - still the same thing. The sites were blocked in Poland.

I can from UK

Here get's fishy Torqi!

Crno with his Jew-hate is something what can surely counted as Neo-Nazi too....he supports a russian Empire and the opression of other people, not to mention removing Jews like the ukrainian head of state from power.

There are Neo-Nazis in Ukraine fighting for their freedom....against invading Neo-Nazis.....you know the old saying:

"One man's Neo-Nazi is another man's freedom fighter!" Or similiar...

Ukraine used what they had to get their independence back then too and Hitler promised them that.

And I can't take that seriously when one jew-hating Neo-Nazi points at other Neo-Nazi with an accusing finger.....that is ridiculous!

As far as the Banderist guy (granted, I know almost nothing about that history other than it's a very touchy topic between Uke and Poles), it is a reminder that there are thorny issues between Ukraine and Europe--that's why all of this sentiment to rush to bring Ukraine into EU and NATO is irrational, IMO. Sure, full-on support in the defense of their country, but let's take a deep breath and think rationally (not emotionally) about bringing them into a permenant alliance. If they are brough in, it should be on merit, not charity, IMO.

OK, looks like...

spidersweb.pl/2022/02/rt-sputnik-youtube.html

cyberdefence24.pl/polityka-i-prawo/rt-i-sputnik-oficjalnie-zablokowane-w-ue-za-wdrozenie-sankcji-odpowiedzialne-kraje-czlonkowskie

... the websites were officially blocked in Poland (and apparently the EU as well).

As I said, this is just wrong - even if it's mainly propaganda, I want to be able to read the other side and judge it for myself. :-/

There is another saying:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"...so what!


Honestly....if Europe could build the EU with and around ex-Nazi-Germany....there shouldn't be a reason to shun Ukraine because of one Bandera!

I completely agree! That's a part of being free.

This is getting a bit too complicated for me at the moment...


Hmm... true, but still - we are not talking about some fringe lunatic groups on one or the other side but about a democratically elected mayor of a city in his office. Shocking! There might be some neo-nazis in Germany even, but there aren't city mayors with Adolf Hitler portraits in their offices (I hope!).


Well said!

I don't think so.....:)

Yeah, and I get that. But, before we let that friend move into the house and put his name on the deed, we better make sure said friend is going to be the type of housemate we want living with us.


Well, yeah, just one Bandera, but there is more that has held us off bringing them in before this invasion than a Bandera.

The Ukraine suffered under soviet rule (Holodomor).....the german Nazis promised them independence....Ukrainians saw them as allies in their fight against the Russians....

Some russian Neo-Nazis try to use that to give the ukrainian defenders right now a bad rep....please! Not with me!

Well, one of the reasons why this was possible was because there weren't portraits of nazis hanging on German politicians' walls after WW2!

Sounds like seriously complicated stuff.


Yes, right now, that's the bottom line: supporting Ukraine in its defense of itself. Right now, all other things are for another time.

*nods*

That plan by some russian neo-Nazis is so easy to see through!

Don't forget, BB, that Bandera was responsible for horrible atrocities against Polish civilians, not only for fighting alongside Nazis.


Nothing against Ukrainian defenders - I fully support them, but a mayor of a city with a portrait of nazi collaborating war criminal in his office? In 2022? Come on.

It was not just about independence. What few people do not realize is that the Soviets had only a few years before the Nazis attacked systematically starved the Ukrainian population and killed between 4-7 million Ukrainians. It is no wonder that many Ukrainians initially sided with the Nazis and it makes the Ukrainian choice a particulary tragic one, namely having to side with one side that commited genocide against its' people against the other that does the same. Not to mention that the following decades of Soviet Opression and now the Russian agression will also no doubt have had an impact on the reception of the Banderists.

Okay....down with the portrait! But still....I feel sympathetic towards Ukraine's plight....they should use that sympathy to get into the EU!

Reminds me abit about Croatia....they were also german allies during WWII....with their Ustashe....still, they got in!

We all do!

European history... what a mess... :-/

Yes, hats off. Ukrainians fight like Poles in the past. Or even better. :):):) Fortunately, the supplies of ammo and weapons are freely flowing into Ukraine, mainly through Poland. Ukrainian boys can have fun with their fav toys - Javelins, Stingers and other stuff. :):):)

Historical analogy 6

Kiyv destroyed by Nazis and RuSSis.

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Tragic indeed!

According to The New York Times, Putin...said western sanctions imposed on his country were "akin to a declaration of war." Could he be that reckless?

Technically I think he was in a concentration camp when his organization did.. that probably under the orders of Lebed/Lebid. Not defending him beyond pointing out he was a product of his time (which was incredibly brutal).

Having his picture on a wall, however, is not in the same league as the military invasion of a peaceful neighboring country, so....

What do you think about Putin's claims that NATO planed to turn Ukraine in military outpost for the future attack (possibly nuclear strike) on Russia? If it's true it could mean really terrible perspectives for Ukraine... Maybe majority of Ukrainians want to join EU, but not so much NATO.

Frankly.....he must go! Before there will be no peace fo anybody!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

It would be extremely difficult to exonerate Bandera and his people.


Definitely not in the same league, but after the war (when they hopefully defend their country from invasion) Ukraine might find it rather difficult to justify Bandera's portraits in democratically elected politicians' offices. :-/

Crazy paranoid ranting? Sick old man cope?

One strong Putin supporter twitter@akarlin0 (who first thought the war would be over in 2 days with Ukrainians getting Russians as heroes) is now speaking of possible defeat.... (blaming it on 'internal causes'.... duh, anyone who thought modern Russia could organize anything efficient is a fool).

What actions taken by NATO would lead him to believe that?

Maybe there's something I'm missing, but it's not like a NATO member owned nuke couldn't be delivered from somewhere other than Ukraine. Plus, it would not serve the interest of any Western to nuke Russia. If there is, I'd like to know.

Yes, they are fixing cages over their turrets. Looks like these RuSS beasts carry their own homes with them. :):):)

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What if all the rumours are true and Putin isn't thinking rationally anymore?

So....nothing what happened and will happen is Ukraine's or the Wests fault.....