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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



PolAmKrakow
28 Feb 2022  #2491

@Novichok
And people call me crazy? You sir should be standing in line waiting for your ticket to be punched. The funny thing about the internet and pseudo tough guys is that their real feelings and beliefs always come out eventually.

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2492

peaceful Malorossians

Not a thing. Malorussians aren't happening. Say their name - Ukrainians!

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2493

How do I know that?

I do not care now. Think everything you wish. But situation was changed suddenly, in hours. When intelligence reported that trucks with numerous crates with shells is unloaded to ukrainian troops positions, it became clear that Donetsk and Lugansk will be attacked in a Dresden scenario. And all that "information flood" about imminent invasion in western media start to look very differently.

So, we have what we have, and NATO does not have what they had.

Say their name - Ukrainians!

If someone from there will ask me to do it - I'll do. But it not your fcuking business to lecture us how to live, what to do, and how to name each other.

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2494

But it not your fcuking business to lecture us how to live

Since when is invading a peaceful country.... how to live?

Why are you so angry?

AntV
28 Feb 2022  #2495

But it not your fcuking business to lecture us how to live, what to do, and how to name each other.

Yet, you find it your business to lecture Ukrainians on how to live, what to do, and how to name each other.

So, we have what we have, and NATO does not have what they had.

That's absolutely 100% true. Problem is that Putin's calculation of what NATO has may have left out a variable: European arousal. If Euro outrage sustains and becomes a part of its policy architecture, NATO will have untold military power and it'll be looking East...again. Who suffers in that scenario? Not NATO countries and not the boys in the kremlin and the oligarchs, but the Russian people--you, Velund--as you suffer economic hardship and isolation.

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2496

Why are you so angry?

I'm relatively calm yet. But better if aged T64B tanks will stay at storage bases under covers.

NATO will have untold military power and it'll be looking East.

Are you sicilians? (those who read books underestood what I mean)

AntV
28 Feb 2022  #2497

those who read books underestood what I mean)

Depends on the books you read.

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2498

while she fought in Donbas

Okay.... if Donbass is such a disaster what has Russia been doing on the international stage to highlight this? How many resolutions or case to the internaional tribunal for human rights has it brought?

Why is this suddenly such an issue?

Atch
28 Feb 2022  #2499

lying through your teeth or you were just a brainless parrot repeating Putin's propaganda

Like the Russian Ambassador to Ireland. As I said earlier, barefaced liars, the lot of them.

should be standing in line waiting for your ticket to be punched.

Or his face ;)

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2500

Yet, you find it your business to lecture Ukrainians on how to live, what to do, and how to name each other.

Russian debating tactics tend to not be the most consistent....

it's weird because Russia has had and could have a really brilliant intellectual class but the kind of person able to rule Russia hates the intellect and so they don't develop their potential except in very short bursts...

No country in the world comes close to wasting its potential as much as Russia does in its destructive pursuit of empire and conquest...

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2501

Why is this suddenly such an issue?

Because it is much better to have a lot of squealing from the west, sanctions, and brink of war with nato rather then thousands of dead citizens of Russia and native Russians from Donbass. Period.

Project Ukraine is closed. All that will be further is dealing between Slavs, and no anglo-saxons will be allowed to intervene there anymore. Poles will have their recommendation vote, as Slavs, once they will manage to return their sovereignty and start to tell from yourself, and not from words of their masters.

Atch
28 Feb 2022  #2502

The Football Association of Ireland has announced that it will play no fixtures, at any level, against Russia due to the on-going conflict in Ukraine. In a statement the organisation offered their 'unequivocal support' to the Ukraine FA and confirmed that the Aviva Stadium in Dublin will be lit up in the yellow and blue the colours of the Ukrainian flag at 7pm tonight.

A Ukranian MP and chair of Chair of Irish/Ukrainian Friendship Group says that distributing arms to anyone who wants them is having a positive effect as Russian forces try to lead a siege on the city of Kyiv.

Sviatoslav Yurash said it is 'full out war' but that Ukrainian forces and people are 'breaking the siege.'

He told RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne that anyone who wants a weapon is being given one and ordinary people are getting involved in the fight.

"People are getting armed and jumping into the frame and pushing back the Russians. We are basically distributing weapons to everybody who wants to partake in the fighting and that is producing results."

He said that Russian troops have partially blocked the East of the city but are being beaten back in the West while the South remains open.

And now the USA has banned any transactions with Russia's Central Bank, effective immediately.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Feb 2022  #2503

More news:

Switzerland accepts EU sanctions against Russia

According to the Navy, the Ukrainian border guards on Snake Island are not dead, but in captivity.

Czech Republic emphasizes support for Ukraine's EU accession

Bulgarian defense minister refuses to call Ukraine invasion a war - dismissed

Russia blocks airspace for Germany and 35 other countries

US closes embassy in Minsk

Anonymous logo and anti-war message on Russian news agency website TASS

The USA also imposed tough sanctions on the Russian central bank

Latvia allows citizens to volunteer for combat

Ukraine is suing Russia for genocide in the highest UN court

spiegel.de/ausland/russland-ukraine-news-am-montag-kiew-und-moskau-wollen-offenbar-am-montagmorgen-verhandeln-a-06ef9b2e-ef22-46b6-aef1-984c6e2b401b

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2504

Latvia allows citizens to volunteer for combat

Latviesu strielniki left a bloody trail in Russia in the past - but we welcome them, will be included to priority cull list, right after Azov and Aidar batallions.

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2505

much better to have a lot of squealing

you didn't answer my question... what has Russia done internationally for them over the last 8 years?

this suggests that Donbass, is like NATO, an excuse, a cover for the real reason: Russians like it when their country is inflicting misery on another...

such a waste...

Russia could have spent a fraction of the current military expenditures (and losses from sanctions) building up areas close to Ukraine and being Ukraine friendly (to make Ukraine want to be part of it) but the country seems unable to concentrate on anything positive

Bratwurst Boy
28 Feb 2022  #2506

Latviesu strielniki left a bloody trail in Russia in the past

....unlike these dark asian muslim Chechens?

Latvians are at least Europeans, neighbours at that....what have Kadyrows bloodhounds to do here?

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2507

will be included to priority cull list

So... you're admitting that the plan is to attack Latvia (NATO country) next?

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2508

No, we are admitting to plan to cull those of them who will come to Ukraine to shot to Russians. Latvia will be cleaner.

what has Russia done internationally for them over the last 8 years?

Thousands of attempts to enforce Ukraine to abide Minsk accords (II) signed by them - but nothing, looks like we talked to the wall. So, wall is broken.

GefreiterKania
28 Feb 2022  #2509

Russian genocide on Ukrainians in Kharkiv...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/wojna-rosja-ukraina-charkow-pod-ostrzalem-rosjan-dziesiatki-ofiar/zhjjghp

... civilians murdered with Grad missiles are a sign of Russian frustration - unable to break Ukrainian defences they
take it out on civilians. The same day they started negotiations with Ukrainians, they slaughtered civilians with Grad.

This can only end with Hague Tribunal for war crimes - Putin and Putinists will have their Nuremberg trials.

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2510

Grad missiles

Anatolij Sharij channel cautioned last night that ukrainian army set up Grad launchers in Kharkov suburbs... But... Oriented to side of city center. There was photos from locals.

Paulina
28 Feb 2022  #2511

Video is from videorecorder in a car of a man who tried to leave Mariupol.

How do you know that?

and car got few bullet hits to the back

And how do you know this?

@Paulina

Why didn't you address any of the points that I made about the video that you posted? Do you agree with me that it may be a fake?

what has Russia done internationally for them over the last 8 years?

Good question, maf... If human rights were being seriously violated then there would be reports about this on NGO's sites dealing with human rights.

So, I tried to find some info on Amnesty International site and so far I've found this:

amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/further-armed-conflict-in-ukraine-would-have-devastating-consequences-for-the-human-rights-of-millions/

"For example, in Syria in 2015 a series of Russian air strikes on residential areas in Homs, Idlib and Aleppo between September and November killed at least 200 civilians. And in 2020, Amnesty International reported that Russian aircraft were targeting both schools and hospitals in Syria, some of which the UN had specified should be protected from any attacks.

In the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia-backed separatist forces violated international humanitarian law by using imprecise explosive weapons in populated civilian areas, as did Ukrainian forces. They also stationed and fired these weapons from homes and civilian infrastructure.

"The history of Russia's military interventions - be it in Ukraine or Syria, or its military campaign at home in Chechnya - is tainted with blatant disregard for international humanitarian law. The Russian military repeatedly flouted the laws of war by failing to protect civilians and even attacking them directly. Russian forces have launched indiscriminate attacks, used banned weapons and sometimes apparently deliberately targeted civilians and civilian objects - a war crime," said Agnès Callamard."

PolAmKrakow
28 Feb 2022  #2512

@Velund
I hope you are found and pay the price of your words. I hope all like you are found, tried and shot, actually I prefer they bring back public hanging for your ilk.

Bratwurst Boy
28 Feb 2022  #2513

Oooh....that's embarrassing! 😜

Russian news agency mistakenly celebrates victory with prepared comment

spiegel.de/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russische-nachrichtenagentur-bejubelt-mit-kommentar-irrtuemlich-sieg-a-186300a4-1576-4404-92aa-4d49bc6f445e

The Kremlin had probably assumed a quick victory in Ukraine. At least a cheering comment was already prepared. The state news agency accidentally shared it - and didn't delete it quickly enough....

Here is the victory cry:

web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

Google translate:

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.


My goodness...

"A new world", huh? Hmmm.....I don't think so....it's actually quite old....reminds me about "Heim ins Reich" by the Nazis....all Germans in one big country...Sudetenland, Silesia, Danzig...half of Europe...everywhere where Germans lived....all needed "Anschluss" to be free and happy....that is all very familiar!

What means "heim ins Reich" in russian?

PolAmKrakow
28 Feb 2022  #2514

@Bratwurst Boy
Awesome find BB! Again Russian incompetence on full display. This is hilarious. The lies to the people and to themselves on full display. What Fing morons. They just admitted the whole plan as we have been saying is to recreate what was. LMFAO

Velund
28 Feb 2022  #2515

"A new world", huh? Hmmm.....

Yes, of course. World, in which russofobia is not a only publicly allowed form of racism anymore. At least in former Ukraine, but we can expand coverage, if someone will ask thoroughly.

mafketis
28 Feb 2022  #2516

russofobia

Wow. The way you are cycling through the points in #2,410 is.... something....

Bratwurst Boy
28 Feb 2022  #2517

And not one word about the mean NATO threatening to "encircle" Russia!

That victory declaration shows clear what the true reason for that invasion is....it was all a BIG LIE!

(And we fell for it...for so long....that hurts like a b*tch!)

gumishu
28 Feb 2022  #2518

Russia should copy the US in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden.

interesting approach, I should say - and I thought you were a decent person

pawian
28 Feb 2022  #2519

But better if aged T64B tanks will stay at storage bases under covers.

Yes, better coz they will burn like boxes of matches if you send them against anyone.

I thought you were a decent person

Only at home coz he fears his wife`s anger. :):

Novichok
28 Feb 2022  #2520

I read here that the greatest honor is to die for your country. Thanks to Putin, Ukrainians will be able to find out how it feels. Like Poland, the country of poets and heroes, Ukraine will benefit from the current events in the long run just as much as Poland did from the Warsaw Uprising.

I thought you were a decent person

And you were correct. My math is simple...One dead American equals 1 million dead Japs or Germans - babies included. Killings kids brings the horror of war home like nothing else and makes wars shorter. Why do you think Japs folded after the second one?


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