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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



pawian
8 Mar 2023  #1501

"In 2022, Russian oil output rose by 2% to 535 million tonnes

Why are you still referring to 2022?? It is prehistory now. Look at 2023. What do you know about Russian output and income from fossile fuels in Jan and Feb 2023?? Ha???

city of Bakhmut might fall to Russia Hey, Jens, you are lying.

No, silly. You can never lie when you say: MIGHT. I thought you were better at English than that. :):) Might encompasses all kinds of events, including the capture of Putin by Body Snatchers and turning him into a zombie bigger than he is now. hahahaha buhahahaha

You have lost it twice. Thank you very much. :):):):)

Novichok
8 Mar 2023  #1502

But you just keep on ranting about how great Russia is

And you can keep on inventing what never was. So who is senile?

There is a REMAX office in Bakhmut. Would you want their phone number?

pawian
8 Mar 2023  #1503

So who is senile?

All those who point to prehistory of 2022 disregarding the beginning of 2023 which came the 10th batch of sanctions on Russia.
Lovely sanctions for beloved Russia.

From West with Love. hahahaha
buhahahaha

Novichok
8 Mar 2023  #1504

Children, today we will learn how to spell, say, and use "zero" and "probability". Repeat after me:

The probability that Russia will one day return C, D, and L to U is a perfect round zero or as likely as you giving somebody you hate both of your kidneys.

Very good! One more time...

pawian
8 Mar 2023  #1505

The probability that Russia will one day return C, D, and L to U

Of course they will return everything except Crimea which the West will allow them to keep on condition it is demilitarised. Otherwise, sanctions will last as long as Russians finally give up what they have stolen.

And the sanctions clock is ticking..... and ticking..... and ticking...... :):):):):)

Stop behaving like a kid in the foggy forest and ignoring this obvious issue - the West can perfectly live without Russia. Russia won`t survive without the West.

mafketis
8 Mar 2023  #1506

ussia won`t survive without the West

It could if it were better run.... but russians don't know how to run anything except criminal operations that steal from the poor.... so..... yeah.... they're scr3wed.

pawian
8 Mar 2023  #1507

It could if it were better run.

Better run means a democratic gov and freedom to people. That is impossible right now. So, they can`t live without the West. And India and China won`t save them.

Novichok
8 Mar 2023  #1508

but russians don't know how to run anything except criminal operations

Children,...Which country had the first satellite, the first man, and the woman in space, exploded the biggest nuke, has the fastest fighter planes and made the biggest fu*cking plane ever?

Which country has the best chess players? Which country best protects kids like you from LGBT perverts while in school?

Yes, it was the USSR and it is now Russia. Good answer.

pawian
8 Mar 2023  #1509

the first man, and the woman in space

Don`t be silly. Soviet propaganda brainwashed you completely, I see. :):):) Soviets played a trick with those first space travels and you instantly believed. Amassing. :):):)

exploded the biggest nuke,

And they still suffer from the blast effects as we can see. :):):)

has the fastest fighter planes

You forgot the fastest watch in the world called Raketa!!! hahahaha

Miloslaw
8 Mar 2023  #1510

Soviets played a trick with those first space travels

And what was that?

cms neuf
9 Mar 2023  #1511

Which country has the best amateur **** ? The fastest two stroke cars ? The hardest bread ? The most vulgar handbags ?

And there is some awesome news for reserve tank corps - they have found a vehicle for you - it seems 800 tanks of the T 62 model have been pressed into service. They are from 1961 - same era as those first satellites and 3 years before the famous Gulf of Tonkin. Lev Yashin was in goal for the CCCP and Algeria still part of France.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Mar 2023  #1512

Children,...

Erm.....just saying:

Operation Osoaviakhim (Russian: Операция «Осоавиахим», romanized: Operatsiya "Osoaviakhim") was a secret Soviet operation under which more than 2,500 former Nazi German specialists (Специалисты; i.e. scientists, engineers and technicians who worked in specialist areas) from companies and institutions relevant to military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany (SBZ) and the Soviet sector of Berlin, as well as around 4,000 more family members, totalling more than 6,000 people, were transported from former Nazi Germany as war reparations in the Soviet Union. It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946 when MVD (previously NKVD) and Soviet Army units under the direction of the Soviet Military Administration in Germany (SMAD), headed by Ivan Serov.[1][2][3]

Much related equipment was also moved, the aim being to literally transplant research and production research centers such as the relocated V-2 rocket center of Mittelwerk, from Germany to the Soviet Union, and collect as much material as possible from test centers such as the Luftwaffe's central military aviation test center at Erprobungstelle Rechlin, taken by the Red Army on 2 May 1945. ,....


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

Most of said successes didn't grew on their own in Russia....

Novichok
9 Mar 2023  #1513

According to the outlet, Poland's Social Insurance Institution (ZUS) paid some two million Polish zloty ($450,000) to Ukrainians through two programs that handed out monthly payments of 300 ($67) and 500 zloty ($112) a month per child despite the refugees having no right to this assistance.

I am so shocked...Ukrainians are thieves.

Any shoplifting so far?

johnny reb
9 Mar 2023  #1514

Amassing this could be happening when Russia has been out of missiles months ago according to the armchair Polorcs.
Missiles rained down and blasts went off across Ukraine early today.
Russian missiles struck the Kharkiv region 15 times, while officials in Odessa said that they were experiencing a "massive" missile attack, with no casualties reported so far. In Kyiv, air raid alerts blared for more than four hours.

I wonder if these are missiles Russia is using are from Iran made with U.S. parts.
Just wait until the Ukrainians start finding blown up missiles with, "made in China" stamped on them.

mafketis
9 Mar 2023  #1515

Missiles rained down and blasts went off across Ukraine early today.

Not even trying to win anymore, just do as much damage as they can while losing... what a nasty, filthy, country. I will never forgive russia for what it's done to Ukraine or russians for supporting (or even tolerating it).

the country has shed its humanity....

jon357
9 Mar 2023  #1516

Not even trying to win anymore

They know they can't; the assessment from UK commentators yesterday was that they've had to scale down their goal due to lack of manpower and arms. Their only hope is a massive mobilisation as well as arms shipments from China which they would love but simply don't have.

GefreiterKania
9 Mar 2023  #1517

Their only hope is a massive mobilisation

It's actually happening but on the Ukrainian side. Ukraine is amassing an army of 1 million soldiers (they already have about 850,000) for their offensive. Russians have around 350,000 in Ukraine. I would like to see Novi's "C, D and L will remain Russian forever" when Ukrainian army starts rolling east. :)

Bobko
9 Mar 2023  #1518

Their only hope is a massive mobilisation as well as arms shipments from China

Surely a less fantastical outcome than a victory for Ukraine?

On point #1 - mobilization - Russia clearly has an enormous resource still available. It's pretty much the size of Ukraine's entire male population - babies, teenagers, working age men, and seniors included. Your fantasies of total societal collapse in Russia as a result of a sweeping mobilization are just that - fantasies. The "regime", as you call it, is very much stable.

On point #2, this has certainly not happened to-date, but seems to me it would represent a less unexpected and less spectacular development than the actual unprecedented support Ukraine has received. The West literally went from consigning them to the dustbin of history, to a full-throated proxy war that has realigned the global map. Nobody expected that, not even the West.

China, if anything, is playing catch up. Providing weapons to Russia will soon be its only possible option to save face, if the US keeps talking to them as if they are Britain or Germany.

Again, I hate this thread because I wrote all of this before. China will propose a plan, America will **** on it, China's hands will be untied. What I didn't expect, was that the US would cancel a visit by the Secretary of State over a balloon, announce several new sanction packages against Chinese high tech firms, send deadly weapons to Taiwan, host a visit of the President of Taiwan in Washington, and also several times "warn" China of "unpredictable consequences" for aiding Russia.

Any self respecting person at this point would say - "I call bs on this game". Because:

1) America has overtly designated China as an adversary

2) America and its friends are helping weaken and potentially destabilize a Chinese ally - the only ally it has on the UNSC.

3) They are simultaneously attempting to contain China economically by all means at their disposal, even though China is a country with a much, much poorer population than the West's

4) In the same breath, they threaten China against helping Russia

5) In essence, they want China to help suffocate itself.

Only Western idiots can look at all this, and still feel morally and intellectually superior. Everybody else is looking at this with disgust.

Bobko
9 Mar 2023  #1519

Some Nixon or Reagan might have come to the Chinese, during a proxy war with the Russians, and said: "Look fellas, stay out of this, you don't need this. We'll trade even more, and forget those crazy losers." Offered a deal too good to refuse, the Chinese would have no choice but to tell the Russians to go f#%k themselves (pretty much what Nixon did before).

This generation of American political geniuses seems to be pushing China towards Russia using a large Caterpillar excavator - risk of a two front confrontation be damned.

Stupid politicians, make stupid strategic decisions, and then rarely if ever own up to them. Some twenty years later some different administration will casually admit that "Oh yes, that was quite the fiasco", and everyone will move on with life. The hundreds of thousands that lie dead in the cemeteries can only sigh in despair.

What am I teaching you... you guys have seen it all yourselves, and you know it in your heart.

Kashub1410
9 Mar 2023  #1520

@Bobko
The problem tho is that U.S.A can use powermoves (which Russia and China seem to be obnoxiously jaleous about) cause it is a powerhouse, either they like it or not. They try however how much they want to act identically or try to convince others that U.S.A is not a powerhouse, it will be futile tho cause everybody knows that U.S.A is a powerhouse.

Continueing any delusion that U.S.A is not a powerhouse does not work in Russia's or China's favor. Russians should get past this denial and start working on trying to catch up instead of pretending that they are better.

Well unless Russians deem it impossible to catch up to America, then I understand the resignation completely.

jon357
9 Mar 2023  #1521

Ukraine is amassing an army of 1 million soldiers

This is a positive step.

The regime in r*SSia know they've lost already; their impoverished masses still don't.

Sooner or later the regime there will have to come to terms with the cold hard fact that there will be war crimes trials and that the bill for the reconstruction of the damage they've done in Ukraine will be footed by them.

PolAmKrakow
9 Mar 2023  #1522

@Bobko
Haven't volunteered yet eh traitor? China is not going to do $hit. Keep wishing for it because its not going to happen. China isn't getting into a trade war with the US and EU. Money talks and Russia is not worth the trouble. They will wait for the collapse and then take Siberia with no one to fight them. The deal is simple, no weapons for little Vlad and China gets to keep doing business in the US as a favored trade partner.

Anyone else notice how its always the little Putinazi fvcks that have to defend their position. Justify with bull$hit or defend with nonsensical arguments and statements. Meanwhile the rest of us simply state truths and facts. Nothing to defend when you are on the right side of things. Happy gulag biatches!

Novichok
9 Mar 2023  #1523

Not even trying to win anymore, just do as much damage as they can while losing...

Russia has these objectives:

1. Make Ukraine as unattractive to NATO, NGOs, PAK, and other investors as possible
2. Make sure that Poland is rewarded for its valiant efforts with even more refugees
3. Make Z say oh fu*ck they really mean it and I should have come to that meeting
4. To suck out all oxygen from other PF threads

Meanwhile the rest of us simply state truths and facts.

Repeat after me: Russia said no to NATO in Ukraine. Not now. Not ever.
That's the only truth you need to know, little boy. Now go to your mommy.

PolAmKrakow
9 Mar 2023  #1524

@Novichok
I love rubble and reconstructing apartment buildings. Invest in land, concrete and utilities. Cant wait to help Ukraine when it is over. You know, like Germany was rebuilt. Little Vlad will keep bombing away until he gets bored and then he will negotiate.

All those missiles used the other day were repurposed air to air or sea to air designed. Russia probably has a bunch of those, and they are much smaller than the land to land based ones they were using a few months ago so they have to use more to get the desired effect.

Poland will be rewarded with sending Poles to rebuild Ukraine. All the construction companies here will be the first and most welcome to get involved. Billions will be made and that money will come to Poland and Polish families.

Z with then pick up the phone and call V to tell him thanks for all the money the west confiscated and sent to Ukraine. So, Russia will destroy the old and real bad infrastructure that was designed and developed by the USSR, and then Russians will pay to replace everything with new western technology. And Ukraine will join the EU on top of it. Very generous of Orc nation and little Vlad.

NATO said no to Ukraine a long time ago dip$hit. And thats all you need to know. Now go drink some ensure, take your Geritol, and get a nap.

Novichok
9 Mar 2023  #1525

I love rubble and reconstructing apartment buildings.

Then Russia is your friend. DId you tell them which apartment buildings you are planning to reconstruct?

NATO said no to Ukraine a long time ago dip$hit.

No, even today, NATO says Ukraine will be NATO, a-hole.

Novichok
9 Mar 2023  #1526

All the construction companies here will be the first and most welcome to get involved.

If Russia lets them.

You see, little boy, Russia has no option to withdraw or take only a part of Ukraine. They know now that they need to take the whole thing.

The problem with clowns like you here is that when I post videos with NATO bureaucrats saying that U will be NATO you don't watch them.

Can you promise me that you will next time? I will buy you a cookie...

PolAmKrakow
9 Mar 2023  #1527

Poor little Novi, you should know by now that little Vlad isn't going to do $hit to or about Poland directly. He doesn't want a fight directly with NATO, he even said so. And Little Vald will be dead in a few years one way or another. Then if youre still alive you will need to find a new man-crush.

Russia can not, and will not take all of Ukraine. The only way they can hope to do that is to nuke it, and then they get nothing but a nuclear wasteland. Brilliant. Could happen, I give you that, but not likely.

Dont get NATO and EU confused. Ukraine will not be NATO, but will be EU and part of a smaller security agreement within the EU. Think of all those new HMARS Poland will have ready to roll into Moscow if needed and all those great F35s and dont look now but the US mobile nuke package could be rolling into Poland too. No one is afraid of Russia any more. Toothless old bear who can't even beat up its weaker cousin. But dont let that stop you and your man love for little Vlad.

mafketis
9 Mar 2023  #1528

Nuland

What an effin' superwoman! So much stronger than the entire combined governments of 2013 russia and Ukraine... pulling strings so deftly that russia was left helpless.... what a pathetic little country russia is.... so small... so sad.... so weak....

Novichok
9 Mar 2023  #1529

He doesn't want a fight directly with NATO, he even said so

Poor little Polish boy forgot that it is Putin who owns now 20% of Ukraine and that it is Poland that doesn't want to fu*ck with him beyond being a landing strip for the American mil surplus.

Why isn't the brave Polish army in Ukraine putting the finishing touches on their victory there? You do know, little boy, that Poland is free to do that and not invoke A5 when things don't go according to plans, right?

Don't get NATO and EU confused. Ukraine will not be NATO but will be EU

I confuse nothing and I know the alphabet. Russia knows how snakes swallow their prey in small increments. If Russia turns stupid as the USSR did way back by trusting the Western lying sobs then it deserves the very worst.

but the US mobile nuke package could be rolling into Poland too

With lawyers like you, everybody should deal directly with the prosecutor. That was the single stupidest thing to say - ever.
Let me explain to you slowly enough so you will realize the stupidity of what you just said.
Well, on the other hand, why waste time...

cms neuf
9 Mar 2023  #1530

Do you think that Putin might soon visit this 20 percent that "he owns"

Would be polite to let the serfs see the Boyar


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