Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Lenka

It's no picnic, that's for sure.

Bobko apologetics:

1) Russia is at war, despite what the Kremlin prefers to call it.
2) Hundreds of thousands have left in protest.
3) Millions of others post things daily that discredit our armed forces and the overall mission of this operation.
4) Under similar circumstances America interned hundreds of thousands of Japanese for years in concentration camps. German Americans were exposed to similar repression. There was a country-wide hunt for communists that lasted decades.

5) Russian statesmen are no angels.
6) Bottom line: war is ugly.

Good thread by Sumlenny on the concept of the 'russkij mir' (russian world)

twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1640289864661827585

tldr: after 2005 or so russia decided to weaponize russian speaking groups outside the country to undermine governments and to sew chaos... and russia decided (and articulated in 2017) that anywhere where people speak russian should be under the direct political control of moscow... this is how russian speaking Ukrainians suddenly became 'russians' in russky propaganda....

No, it's insanity.


I'm surprised countries across the world didn't deport Russians considering how they are used as reasons

I take issue with your line of argument that being sent to Bakhmut is a punishment. A punishment for whom? If I belonged to a Ukrainian unit, and suddenly we were shipped in a PAK, and made responsible for him - I would be worried. People with unstable psyches such as yourself are a drain on the front vs a value add.

The guys fighting in Bakhmut are heroes. What did they do to deserve two such worthless sacks of sh!t as you and I? Is their job such a despicable one, that they must be punished by our presence?

The best are fighting on the front, with a minimum
of hate in their hearts. I say to the Russians and Ukrainians. It's us couch potatoes that are toxic. Remember this. Don't punish them with our presence, unless you are prepared to be useful.

The Ukrainian side are; they are defending their country.

The orcs however are a different story, fighting for a cause as worthless as their lives are to Putler.

I have posted here before that I can hear, but never see the heavy Hercules and other planes flying towards Poland with aid for Ukraine.And in these last two weeks the RAF and USAF have been flying every two minutes almost every day!

Expect a massive Ukrainian fightback this spring.

Russia cannot win this war, the sooner they realise that, the better for everyone.

@Bobko
Poor Bobko. If you had one percent of the shooting experience I have you would be pretty useful. But you do not, and most Ukraine soldiers do not either until they are on the front lines for a while. Unstable? Stability comes in the form of never wavering from your beliefs, and being willing to fight for them. You little Bobko are the unstable one. All the chest thumping for little Vlad and the Orcs while living in the USA under the protection of the country that is your enemy is pitiful and humorous at the same time. Like little Vlad is humorous with his chasing of Xi and begging for help, when all the while Xi is setting little Vlad and Russia up for the division many here speak about. Only you and the other Putinazi's refuse to see the truth of what is happening.

Something is certainly in the offing, and hopefully r*SSia will be totally blindsided as they were last time.

It also looks as if Putler is setting Belarus up to be his fall guy. Hopefully he realises that if he used Belarus to fire a tactical nuclear weapon the result for him will be the same as if it had been fired from Moscow.

Not only has he broken his agreement with Xi about nukes as soon as he's signed it (a sign that all has gone badly in that respect for him) but he's also deliberately placing them in an unstable state. Another escalation that will end badly for him.

As Galeev explains, to play the role of Tsar he _needs_ to break agreements and russians (to they extent that they follow/understand the situation) love that sh7t.

@mafketis
That only gives them a false impression of him being powerful and the decision maker.
It's too chaotic behaviour for any stable situation, and if financial organisation love anything it's stability (instability creates too huge risk for investments)

If no agreement can be reached due to this, then Russians can have all the impression they want, but they will be forced to be completely self reliant on themselves

It does not create a Co-operative situation or mentality, which Adam Smith and Free trade basis itself on and has a goal to create and implement further as far and more as possible, so that agreements, trade and social interactions are based on verbal communication with the need for tyranny as an element of combating tyrants.

Seems like Russians are not interested in that however. Or does not understand why...

Russians know Smith, Mill, Marx, Keynes, Hayek, Mises, and everything in between. We are a reading nation. According to an online poll conducted by GfK, the German marketing and consumer information agency:"Russians are one of the world's top three nations who read the most. The Chinese came in first place, and the Spanish in third."

The poll claims that 59 percent of Russians read books "every day, or almost every day," or "at least once a week."

This forum is good proof that it's our neighbors and people further afield that could use opening a book more often.

Then why is russian TV so incredibly stupid? I mean this is more demented than anything I've ever seen on US tv (and that is saying something)

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1640898437850750977

if russians are so widely read why can't they form a normal government with peaceful transfers of power?

if russians are so smart why do they let the rich steal from them so blatantly and not even complain?

if russians are so worldly why would they rather die in a ditch in Ukraine rather than protest?

why do russians make such primitive fakes for propaganda?

twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1640631929308344320

Something's not adding up here....

@Bobko
I didn't claim the Russian nation to be illiterate, just that there is a difference between knowing the alphabet by memory, another is to know what and how it's used for

Anyone can read. What they do with the information they read and how they process it is what separates men from monkies. Russians may read all they want, and until they actually act on something they are nothing but fvcking librarians.

You say so coz Russians are losing. If they were winning or had already won, you would have a different opinion. :):):)

What stupid Russians and pro Russian idiots fail to understand is that "The West" will not allow Ukraine to lose.
If the worst comes to the worst it will not be WW3 but it will be NATO v Russia.

I have three videos for Russians to take a deep breath and think again before thinking of taking on NATO.

youtube.com/watch?v=nMZDbvZSOEY&t=469s

youtube.com/watch?v=8Y2OxFDJmcg

youtube.com/watch?v=CCb_XbmB_iE

Yeah Russkies......take us on if you dare!

Give it up now, before things get much worse!

You use that word "Us" very loosely.
Milo, why are you antagonizing your enemy that has the capability to turn London into glass without you being able to do anything about it ?

You are always the little prissy yapper in the back of the crowd at a fist fight yelling, hit him, hit him !
Why not stfu and try to get along for a change.

Hahaha!

No chance!


And if you are referring to us depending on the USA, you are very much mistaken.
That is pure American arrogance.
European NATO can beat Russia without any help from the USA.
You came in late in both world wars, made little difference in WW1 but did help in WW2, but I think we could have won that one without American troops too.

Furthermore I did say that this will not be WW3.
But if it was, don't you think America is just as vulnerable as Europe?
Russia can hit very major city in the USA.

That is the most stupid sentence I have ever read on PF. Without the US, Europe would still be outproducing the rest of the world in khaki pants.

"European NATO can beat Russia without any help from the US"
Without all of the US armor and technology? Not likely before the war in Ukraine, and only now possible because the US has supplied Ukraine enough firepower to weaken Russia in a big way. The US is many things, and has many issues, without it though Europe prior to Feb 2022 would have been F'd if Russia invaded.

It was a two way thing. We needed assistance against Germany and they needed assistance against Japan. Co-operation works, as it is working against r*SSia now.


We may need to, depending on how the wind blows politically there. Fortunately, the anti-war ones are in the minority.

And if Yuri Felshtinsky's projections regarding Putler's plans for Belarus are correct, we may find a sudden escalation this year, possibly with London and Paris having to act if Article 5 is triggered.

I consider this guy a bit of a half-wit ever since he said that "Russia is a huge country and the supply of people is unlimited", so Putin won't have problem raising consecutive armies.

It's like saying that supply of people in Poland+Germany (roughly equal to Russia) is unlimited.

Most people however do not.

His views are well-received in Warsaw, and sadly, r*SSia do seem to be able to raise large armies.

@jon357
What revisionist history books are you refering to? The US needed help with Japan? Not quite. Had Japan stayed home on December 7th, the US would not have entered the war, and Europe would be the world leader in jack boot manufacturing.

@GefreiterKania
When the screws become tighter on Putins favorite but buddy, little Lukashithole will not pull the trigger. Belarus will turn on Russia if little Vlad wants to bring them into the war directly. Vlad can sustain power, Lukashithole cannot. The rioting in the streets would be massive. Much larger than when he stole the election.

That's exactly what some Russians suspect themselves. It was even discussed on their brilliant state TV recently.

Mainland Europe.

Putler however has a challenge his predecessor did not face; two major powers in Europe with nuclear arsenals.


Yes, very much.

There were many thousands of UK and ANZAC soldiers there and territory made available for bases. Plus of course Tube Alloys...

This however is close to drifting off-topic. The important issue is the European response to Putler's ambitions for Ukraine and this week, his escalation involving the unstable state, Belarus.

Nukes are not going to be used in mainland Europe by little Vlad. England? Maybe a tactical one in the countryside to send a message. France or anywhere else? Not a chance. Putin is not that stupid and has a very deep understanding of history and where he wants to fit into it. Remember this is about restoring historical lands and Peter the Great. Cant restore historical lands if no one can live there for the next 100 years.

France isn't about to nuke anyone. Macron is a big pu$$y. London isn't going to use any nukes into Russia. No one in Europe is going to do anything without the US backing. Thats simply the bottom line. Europe has done nothing to prepare for war and is now playing catch up. The only bright spot for Europe is Russia being worn down by Ukraine and all the US weapons. Hilarious to read people thinking the EU is going to do something to Russia. Ukraine is stable in this war because the US prepared them for 8 years for this.

Dying/losing maniacs don't think always rational....Hitler for one thought the Germans didn't deserve to survive as they proved to be to weak for his plans, not being the strongest race and all that..."Nach mir die SIntflut!° ("Devil my care?".... "After me the deluge"?)

If there had been already a red button to end it all he would had used it happily!

@Bratwurst Boy
Normally I would agree with you. Little Vlad though is also very concerned about his own survival. He has never questioned the resolve of Russians or their will to continue to send young men to die. He has been in power a very long time and is concerned how he will go down in Russian history, not the western version of history. He is prepared to fight in Ukraine for a long time, and thus far, no nukes. No nukes after more than a year says a lot about his goals and what he is willing to do. One tactical nuke to Kiev and it would likely break Kiev. But he wants Kiev so he hasn't done it. He will flatten every other city. Little Vlad is strategic, a flawed strategy got him here, and he wont make more collosal mistakes like this, by using nukes.

I hope you are right!